FC-PGA/FC-PGA2? PIII 1GHz in Asus P3V4X w/ Iwill SlocketII?

[onelin]

I'm looking to buy an FC-PGA PIII 1GHz as a step up from the PIII600E I bought around Feb/2000 (decision was reached by reading these forums ), I had it running @800(133FSB) until stability went out the window 4 months ago...I've been cooling it with an Alpha PEP66 since day 1, and hope to use it with the new CPU as well. Case has 5 80mm fans. Since cash is low, motherboard/memory upgrade for an AMD isn't viable and this is really my only option. On to the question...

I notice some vendors list their socket370 PIII 1GHz EB's as FC-PGA, while others list them as FC-PGA2. Is it one or the other, or do they make them both ways? Since the only difference with FC-PGA2s is supposed to be they have heat spreaders, will they work fine in my Iwill Slocket II? Is trying for an FC-PGA2 worth it if so? also... would it prevent me from using my PEP66? These seem like stupid questions, just ones I can't seem to find the answers to

I'm also undecided on whether I should go E and overclock, or EB. After what happened with my 600E I'm leaning towards just getting an EB and not overclocking, not worrying...but I've seen some high overclocks listed and it makes me wonder.

Thanks in advance,
-onelin

 

[AKA]

I dont know.. but I hope someone does.. so im bumping this.

 

[boyRacer]

cDo Es certainly overclock better than EBs... my system is starting to crap-out because of the 160FSB. I don't know if your alpha will fit comfortably with that spreader... it will fit i'm sure since the height difference isnt much. But some people who got the tualatin celerons are taking the heat spreaders off and are getting better results... so its your call i guess.

 

[Wheezer]

<< On the compatibility side, the Tualatin requires a new chipset because of its use of a lower voltage clocking specification. >>



That is taken from Anands review of the chip.

 

[AKA]

What the!!?

Did anyone answer his question?

 

[MilkPowderR]

nah man, he's got that quote from an Anandtech article he said.. which the quoting someone else's statement is a good thing to do

 

[AKA]

And that answer the original poster question how?

 

[JAXSCAD]

I have a PIII 600e with this mobo overclocked to 800 for the past 2 years. Never a problem yet!

 

[AKA]

Okay.. I believe onelin0 is asking if any FC-PGA2 cpu will work with a slotket?

We know FC-PGA will.. but how about a FC-PGA2?

I personally dont know.. only difference I know is that the fc-pga2 has the heat spreader.. which he already knows.

Im curious to know this answer myself. Will a FC-PGA2 work on a sloket?

 

[onelin]

wow, replies I kept checking daily for a few days, but had go to ahead and place an order to make sure it arrived by Christmas...then study for/take finals. didn't want to be rude and bump myself a lot...

I never found out if an FC-PGA2 would work with a slocket, but in rethinking the issue it should work fine, just might have had to remove the heat spreader to use with my PEP66 (unrelated to slocket of course.) I guess it will remain a mystery

I ended up just ordering an 1000EB FC-PGA from Newegg, because I think I only saw one vendor with 1000E's and 95% of vendors sold FC-PGA not FC-PGA2. Runs great and I'm happy. (Newegg's 7 day oem CPU policy let me get it before the holiday )


-onelin (lost my original login in a move :frown: )

 

[Sharpedge]

Onelin 0

I have been considering doing the same move. Was it faster? Do you play games and could you notice the difference?

Thanks

 

[onelin]

Yes, the main reason for the upgrade was games
For games like Max Payne, I've mainly noticed much faster load times and it eliminated some of the occasional 'choking' my system had while playing w/ the 600Mhz ... (it didn't choke when I COULD run last CPU at 800) Load times/performance in DAoC was also a reason.

in short: due to my vidcard I can't really give you a reliable 3d benchmark comparison...
Q3 800x600 HQ with high geom & trilinear filtering my fps went from (75-95) to (75-109)... but this number is screwy. My Guillemot/Hercules 3d Prophet 32MB DDR is strange and I might have to RMA my *third* (has some banding too :-/) it can vary by 30+fps on a timedemo only a few minutes apart (I've seen the 1Ghz get lower than 75 in the timedemo, then go back up to 109 in a couple minutes) ...seems it can overheat itself at default clockspeeds, the heatsink/fans on these are a joke and I didn't want to mod it and void the warranty due to my bad luck w/ the cards.

for raw number crunching (distributed.net), it has about a 55-65% increase. I benched the 600E with everything before I removed it
(RC5 long test)
600E: 1,692,314.33 keys/sec
1000EB: 2,773,349.24 keys/sec

Up to you really if think it's worth it...as for me, I needed a sudden boost that didn't require a MB/memory switch and fit the budget...it doesn't really leave room for a future upgrade, but since I know I'll be switching MB in my next upgrade this worked best for me. If you're happy now (or if your 600E is running @800Mhz), you might want to wait and save the cash for a bigger upgrade. You could also try to get a 1000E and hope you get cDo stepping and overclock it...

 

[GregMal]

Here's my $.02..........
I believe many vendors are relating Tualatin processors for FC-PGA2.
So no, a Tualatin processor will not work on a Slotket2...........
Greg

 

[Sharpedge]

onelin0

Thank you for your input. I know my next upgrade would be to change out borads too. But I am planning to eventually give this system to my son and build a new one for me so a processor upgrade sounds good for this setup. But I was thinking of just a 1000 celeron, it should be close to the P3.

Thank you again for your help, all that i learn is used sooner or later.

 

[rogue1979]

A very economical upgrade would be a Celeron 800. Put it on a 133Mhz fsb with a modest increase in core voltage (usually about 1.80v) and you then have 1066MHz, much faster than a Celeron 1GHz on a 100Mhz fsb. My wife has had one running 1100MHz for several months. Overall performance seems to be very close to a 1GHz P3. The overclock is very reliable just like the old 566@850, it is rare for one not to make at least the 133Mhz fsb.