FBI Spy - Did he really do something so wrong?

[Turdorf]

So they caught Hanssens selling info to the Russians. Is this really so bad?

1) Supposedly he was selling outdated info
2) He needed the money to put his children in better schools
3) We are not at war with Russia
4) As technologically advanced as the Russians are, he could have sold them blueprints for a blender and been calling it a new secret weapon.
5) What price would you sell information about your country?
6) The newspaper said that he has been doing this for 15 years, and made an average of about $40,000 per year. Not a great sum of money. Obviously the info was not worth a lot.

Personally, I don't find this that big a deal, and believe that he should be reprimanded, lose his job, pension, etc. A few slaps on the wrist. Who wouldn't sell the Russians secrets for the right price! Only problem is, most of us have nothing the Russians want.

 

[warcleric]

The real problem is bleeding heart liberals like you, we all have financial problems, doesnt mean I would sell out my country for them.

By your logic it would be ok for me to come steal your car <or other prized possession> because:

1. You have insurance and you will get a new car
2. I really needed the money to pay my kids tuition to a private school.
3. Your car isnt brand new anyway.
4. Your car was worth alot of money, so it was bound to be stolen.
5. I only steal 12 cars a year, that isnt alot.

 

[vi edit]

Maybe if you had a family member that was executed because of information that this jackoff spewed out you'd have a different opinion.

The US doesn't dick around with treason. You go soft once, you go soft forever.

 

[Ladies Man]

he should die

plain and simple

 

[TheVrolok]

I'm a patriot and no matter how you look at it I feel the treason is wrong. Period. No matter it's degree.

<< Only problem is, most of us have nothing the Russians want. >>
He was an FBI agent and he did. Therefore he should be punished. He should be elated that he is even being considered as to his fate, in many countires throughout the world he would have been shot already.

 

[luckydragon]

the guy made over 100K a year, i seriously doubt he was having financial problem

 

[Windogg]

Not so bad? I don't know what crack you are smoking but it has caused some serious problems with your ability to make good judgements. To sell the information he did put everyone in the country at danger.

 

[Ornery]

&quot;Personally, I don't find this that big a deal,&quot;

warcleric, that's just what I was thinking. Why do people on the left seem to think that laws don't apply to them? Why do they have such a hard time with people being punished for breaking laws?

 

[warcleric]

Ornery: perhaps because putting him in prison or on death row might hurt his self esteem!

 

[TheVrolok]

LMAO warcleric

 

[AndrewR]

<< 4) As technologically advanced as the Russians are, he could have sold them blueprints for a blender and been calling it a new secret weapon. >>


Aside from all the other ignorant comments, this one takes the cake. How stupid do you think the Russians are? Here are some facts for you, since you obviously are incapable of reading books:

1.) Russian aircraft have superior airframe designs than U.S. aircraft. Even as far back as the Korean conflict (MiG-15), their fighters have been spectacular performers. The MiG-31 has absolutely amazing performance characteristics and can outfly any fighter in the U.S. inventory with the exception, eventually, of the F-22 (presumably, I have no data on that). However, the MiG-31 was designed years ago. Sukhoi has a new fighter which is even better, and I believe I read that it might outperform the F-22. The reason the US has an advantage is through avionics, not airframe design.

2.) The Russian space program puts NASA to shame. With a substantially lower budget and supposedly &quot;dumber&quot; people, they have managed to create a series of launch vehicles that are better than anything in the US inventory. Their rockets are reliable, cheap, and capable of carrying immense payloads. Their space station was in operation for years while the US couldn't keep Skylab up for very long. Their missions take hours to set up and launch, as opposed to NASA which takes a month to move the bloated, overpriced shuttle even just to the launch pad, let alone actually launching it.

3.) The Russians ability to use titanium is (or was, at least -- going on old data here) beyond the US' ability to match. Their Alpha-class attack submarines have titanium hulls which enables them to dive deeper than US boats. Why didn't the US make its own to match? THEY COULDN'T.

Amazing what a country stupid enough to accept a blender as a secret weapon can do, isn't it? Plus, the mere fact that USSR/Russia was able to recruit such high level spies within our own government is proof enough that they are quite capable and intelligent. I sincerely doubt that anyone in the US intelligence community would call the KGB (and its successor) a bunch of stupid amateurs.

 

[Ponyboy25]

Great point Windogg, while only a few people died as a result of his treason, he could have sold information that put the whole country at risk. It's part of the job: if you can't keep your mouth shut and your head straight, then you shouldn't of taken the job in the first place. I'm sure there's an understanding when you take a job like that, &quot;you talk, you die&quot;.

 

[Emulex]

he's an evil spy, he should die.

Good spies on the other hand, are cool. like 007. He saves the world and stuff.

kill all evil spies.

 

[geno]

<< 1) Supposedly he was selling outdated info >>


So what!? He was still selling internal info! No ifs ands or buts!


<< 2) He needed the money to put his children in better schools >>


Oh boo-hoo, so does that mean everyone else having financial problems should start selling their country out??


<< 3) We are not at war with Russia >>


Doesn't matter. And if we're so friendly with them, why do they feel the need to have to hire someone to spy on us?


<< 4) As technologically advanced as the Russians are, he could have sold them blueprints for a blender and been calling it a new secret weapon. >>


Oh come on...


<< 5) What price would you sell information about your country? >>


No price - I would never do something to deteriorate the Country I live in.


<< 6) The newspaper said that he has been doing this for 15 years, and made an average of about $40,000 per year. Not a great sum of money. Obviously the info was not worth a lot. >>


Once again I say &quot;SO WHAT!?&quot;, he could have made pennies off of this - he was still selling his country out.

Let this bastard suffer, he makes me sick :| And as for you sticking up for him? I just don't see how you can do that...utterly rediculous, defending a criminal like that :|

 

[Stark]

turdorf, you ignorant slut.


the guy should get the needle.

You left out the part where he revealed spies working for the us government, leading to their execution in russia.

 

[Digobick]

Two people died because of him. :|

In my book he's guilty of intentional murder - two FBI agents at that. That alone is reason enough to kill the man.

 

[kranky]

This has gotta be a troll. No one could actually believe what the OP wrote.

 

[Tominator]

Well if this ain't a bunch of crapola...


<< 1.) Russian aircraft have superior airframe designs than U.S. aircraft. Even as far back as the Korean conflict (MiG-15), their fighters have been spectacular performers. The MiG-31 has absolutely amazing performance characteristics and can outfly any fighter in the U.S. inventory with the exception, eventually, of the F-22 (presumably, I have no data on that). However, the MiG-31 was designed years ago. Sukhoi has a new fighter which is even better, and I believe I read that it might outperform the F-22. The reason the US has an advantage is through avionics, not airframe design. >>



Our weapons delivery systems are superior as is pilot training. Our Combat Support System is light years ahead of anything the Reds have. I could go on...



<< 2.) The Russian space program puts NASA to shame. With a substantially lower budget and supposedly &quot;dumber&quot; people, they have managed to create a series of launch vehicles that are better than anything in the US inventory. Their rockets are reliable, cheap, and capable of carrying immense payloads. Their space station was in operation for years while the US couldn't keep Skylab up for very long. Their missions take hours to set up and launch, as opposed to NASA which takes a month to move the bloated, overpriced shuttle even just to the launch pad, let alone actually launching it. >>



OK, and it took the US to prevent a certain Space Station from falling apart! Ever wonder how many Russian Astronaunts have died in their 'Superior Space Program?' No one knows for sure, but I've read estimates as high as 35!





<< 3.) The Russians ability to use titanium is (or was, at least -- going on old data here) beyond the US' ability to match. Their Alpha-class attack submarines have titanium hulls which enables them to dive deeper than US boats. Why didn't the US make its own to match? THEY COULDN'T. >>



The US has a defense budget that must go through a political process. Unlike the Red's, it is not unlimited! That alone prevents us building a titaium sub, not that we couldn't. BTW, our subs are superior in every other way.

Sorry to change the subject.

The Cold War has never been over, just the threat of a shooting war involving nukes.

This guy will fry!

 

[Hecubus2000]

commie

 

[AaronP]

&quot;The Russian Space Program puts Nasa to Shame&quot;
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LOL what a joke right. Didn't you ever see that history channel show &quot;Russian Space Disasters&quot; They have lost like 10 astronauts. And their one and only &quot;space shuttle&quot; which never flew in space and is now at a scrapyard is a copy of the US Spaceshuttle that the ruskies got by stealing the design. Probably got the blueprints from that FBI prick who should be executed.

 

[palad]

So, it's OK for the US to use spies against other countries, but it's a moral outrage when other countries use spies against the US?

 

[BoberFett]

palad

When other countries find our spies, they're executed. Tit for tat, eh?

 

[DefRef]

You'll notice that turdork hasn't come back to his own thread.

If you're lurking, I got a question for you: How would you like to explain to the families of the Soviet operatives, that he sold out and caused their deaths, why it's &quot;no big deal&quot; that they were killed.

Some spys give our enemies info for ideological reasons (i.e. Capitalism BAD! Communism GOOD! America BAD! Russia GOOD!), but this guy was just selling out for MONEY.

Cheap hoes should get f*cked.:|

 

[vi edit]

The Russian Space was and still is pretty damn advanced.

The US had to go to them for the rockets to get the IIS off of the ground. Nasa also admits that the Russian type of space suits is superior to their own.

Lets not forget about Mir. That thing has been working for years longer than it was ever intended to be operational.

 

[palad]

I'm not talking about the punishment, as far as I'm concerned let it fit the crime. What bothers me is that people spying on other countries for the US are considered heroes here, while people who are spying on the US for other countries are committing some heinous act. They are in the same profession, after all. Why is it laudable for the US to do it when it is so abhorrent when it's turned around? Are the people of the US so superior to the rest of the world that it is more of a crime in this case?