FBI investigated civil rights group as 'terrorism' threat: KKK as victims

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Well this is disturbing. Even California State Police sided with the neo-nazis, but that's likely because they were assigned to protect the original rally. Still, that should've ended the minute Nazis started stabbing people.

And people wonder why we don't trust the police.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...o-rally-fbi-kkk-domestic-terrorism-california

The FBI investigated Bamn for potential “conspiracy” against the “rights” of the “Ku Klux Klan” and white supremacists.
The FBI considered the KKK as victims and the leftist protesters as potential terror threats, and downplayed the threats of the Klan, writing: “The KKK consisted of members that some perceived to be supportive of a white supremacist agenda.”
The FBI’s monitoring included in-person surveillance, and the agency cited Bamn’s advocacy against “rape and sexual assault” and “police brutality” as evidence in the terrorism inquiry.

The FBI launched its terrorism investigation and surveillance of Bamn after white supremacists armed with knives faced off with hundreds of counter-protesters, including Bamn activists, at a June 2016 neo-Nazi rally in Sacramento. Although numerous neo-Nazis were suspected of stabbing at least seven anti-fascists in the melee, leaving some with life-threatening injuries, the FBI chose to launch a inquiry into the activities of the leftwing protesters.

The documents, though heavily redacted, did not include any conclusions from the FBI that Bamn violated laws or posed a continuing threat. Its members have not faced federal prosecution. The FBI declined to comment on Bamn.
 

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Well this is disturbing. Even California State Police sided with the neo-nazis, but that's likely because they were assigned to protect the original rally. Still, that should've ended the minute Nazis started stabbing people.

And people wonder why we don't trust the police.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...o-rally-fbi-kkk-domestic-terrorism-california

The FBI investigated Bamn for potential “conspiracy” against the “rights” of the “Ku Klux Klan” and white supremacists.
The FBI considered the KKK as victims and the leftist protesters as potential terror threats, and downplayed the threats of the Klan, writing: “The KKK consisted of members that some perceived to be supportive of a white supremacist agenda.”
The FBI’s monitoring included in-person surveillance, and the agency cited Bamn’s advocacy against “rape and sexual assault” and “police brutality” as evidence in the terrorism inquiry.

The FBI launched its terrorism investigation and surveillance of Bamn after white supremacists armed with knives faced off with hundreds of counter-protesters, including Bamn activists, at a June 2016 neo-Nazi rally in Sacramento. Although numerous neo-Nazis were suspected of stabbing at least seven anti-fascists in the melee, leaving some with life-threatening injuries, the FBI chose to launch a inquiry into the activities of the leftwing protesters.

The documents, though heavily redacted, did not include any conclusions from the FBI that Bamn violated laws or posed a continuing threat. Its members have not faced federal prosecution. The FBI declined to comment on Bamn.

So I started to read up on this.

Do you know what happened?

Racists wanted to do a rally. ANTIFA people wanted to stop them. As the racists were setting up, the ANTIFA attacked a news reporter from the local NBC channel, and then the racists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Sacramento_riot
https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article86099332.html

The first sign of violence came just before 11 a.m., when KCRA reporter Mike Luery and his cameraman were caught in an altercation with anti-fascist protesters shouting “no cameras” and demanding they leave.

Damion Osborne, a Sacramento community activist who came out to join the anti-Nazi protesters Sunday, said more trouble erupted about 11:20 a.m. when a neo-Nazi with a stick, a sign and shirt with a swastika and the words “White Power” approached the crowd.

“He dodged a bottle and then a rock, then someone broke a rock over his back,” said Osborne, 26. “The organizer said, ‘Stop, let him speak.’

“Then some folks came up to take his sign away and he wouldn’t let go, so a girl from the anti-racist side punched him. As soon as he was getting beat down, the cops came and grabbed him and started shooting rubber pellets.”

The reason the racists were not the targets of the cops is because they were not the aggressors. The reason the ANTIFA group were investigated is because they attacked first and were on social media calling for violence.
 
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Attacking racists (and cops) is not an effective way forward, if your goal is to reduce the influence of the racists and rally support to your point of view.

If your goal is the stir shit up, then sure.
 

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Attacking racists (and cops) is not an effective way forward, if your goal is to reduce the influence of the racists and rally support to your point of view.

If your goal is the stir shit up, then sure.

People think they are out their fighting a war against evil.
 
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So I started to read up on this.

Do you know what happened?

Racists wanted to do a rally. ANTIFA people wanted to stop them. As the racists were setting up, the ANTIFA attacked a news reporter from the local NBC channel, and then the racists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Sacramento_riot
https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article86099332.html



The reason the racists were not the targets of the cops is because they were not the aggressors. The reason the ANTIFA group were investigated is because they attacked first and were on social media calling for violence.


Ding ding.

Nothing takes away from the fact that the racists are pieces of shit. But in our country you have freedom to be a piece of shit and publicly chant your racism - presuming you follow the proper protocols (permits, etc.).

That doesn't give you a returning right to stab people and bring weapons in a counter-protest that wasn't permitted.
 

realibrad

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So, the KKK isn't evil, or what?

There is evil beliefs, and the people that believe them. Unless your punch is magic and can somehow reach an idea, no, you are not fighting evil. What you are doing is attacking a person that has an evil idea.

Violence is justified when people start acting on those evil ideas and harm others. You can kill a Nazi when he is a solider in a war and or perpetrating a genocide. That is because that solider is actively trying to harm people and so violence is effective in stopping that.

What is not effective is when you go to that solider and try to punch him. He will simply heal up and still have his bad idea. What makes war effective is that you either kill the individual, and or your violence is effective at braking the structure used to perpetrate their harm. In this case there is no structure to take down.

Does that make sense?
 

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I enjoyed the part describing the KKK as ‘a group that some perceive to have a white supremacist agenda. ‘
 

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My point was, that if the KKK is evil (and while I hate that word, they pretty much qualify as worse than pond scum)...these actions aren't going to bring about their end. If anything, it helps them recruit I would think.

If nobody actually attended a rally, it would be the worst possible outcome for those boobs. Yelling at the clouds. Granted that would embolden those aholes that did go...so maybe go and sing that one Hansen song at them for hours or something. Have everyone make the same sign and then hold it while turning your back on them...I don't know, we need some creative types to think outside the box! Everyone dressed up in furry outfits? They'd hate that!
 

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There is evil beliefs, and the people that believe them. Unless your punch is magic and can somehow reach an idea, no, you are not fighting evil. What you are doing is attacking a person that has an evil idea.

Violence is justified when people start acting on those evil ideas and harm others. You can kill a Nazi when he is a solider in a war and or perpetrating a genocide. That is because that solider is actively trying to harm people and so violence is effective in stopping that.

What is not effective is when you go to that solider and try to punch him. He will simply heal up and still have his bad idea. What makes war effective is that you either kill the individual, and or your violence is effective at braking the structure used to perpetrate their harm. In this case there is no structure to take down.

Does that make sense?

Enter the Quibble Master & the Re-framer.

We're seeing a resurgence of proto-fascists/supremacists under the wings of Trump, Bannon & the like. It's a virulent thing as we've seen in the past, something we simply can't allow to spread because it will tear us apart. I mean, yeh, sure, it was made to work 100 years ago but this country was a lot Whiter back then so they could get away with it. That's no longer the case & it's trending to Whites being just the biggest minority.

Not that I approve of their methods but Antifas apparently figure if these guys know they'll meet with resistance any time they show their faces that they'll stay home. I figure it would be good for America if they did. They need to STFU & fade into history.
 

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but Antifas apparently figure if these guys know they'll meet with resistance any time they show their faces that they'll stay home. I figure it would be good for America if they did. They need to STFU & fade into history.
Yeah, I don't think that's their take away from violent counter demonstration. If anything it's galvanizing. Their ideas need to be belittled and they need to be ignored as much as possible.
 
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Folks have been fighting the fascists/nazis in the street for a rather long time

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Riots erupted between anti-Fascists and Blackshirts (British Fascists) when Mosley's supporters were gathering in Great Mint Street for a march through the East End of London in what is now called the Battle of Cable Street on Oct. 4, 1936.

ullstein bild via Getty Images
 

Jhhnn

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We completely agree you retard.

The point in which we disagree is how you best do that. Anyone with half a brain will tell you that these actions will only increase the problem.

I'm not sure that last bit is true at all. Understanding is achieved on different levels. I'm pretty sure Klansmen understand this way, even if others prove elusive-


It is, after all, how they treated black people throughout the history of the Klan.