FBI director wants ISPs to track users

[MrsBugi]

My apologies if this is a repost.

What are the odds of something like this actually happening?

I wonder what techniques they would use to go through the massive amounts of information that would have to be sifted through...

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: MrsBugi

What are the odds of something like this actually happening?

Well, if it does I'm defecting to Canada ASAP. and by defecting I mean sneaking across the border and working in some backwoods village for the rest of my life.

 

[yllus]

It's pretty easy to do technologically. Your ISP knows what packets are being transported to/from you as anyone who has a bandwidth limit on their connection already knows.

Odds of it happening are low. You Yankees have the admirable quality of squawking very loudly in situations in which you're presumed guilty without trial.

 

[uhohs]

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: MrsBugi

What are the odds of something like this actually happening?

Well, if it does I'm defecting to Canada ASAP. and by defecting I mean sneaking across the border and working in some backwoods village for the rest of my life.

idle promises ftw.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I'd be surprised if the ISPs don't already do something like this. Anyone have a transfer limit? yea...

 

[Feldenak]

"Terrorists coordinate their plans cloaked in the anonymity of the Internet, as do violent sexual predators prowling chat rooms," Mueller said in a speech at the International Association of Chiefs of Police conference in Boston.

Ridiculous fearmongering.

 

[Blazin Trav]

It's bullsh!t and another example of republicans overstepping our liberties and sh!tting on our rights.

 

[rivan]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

"Terrorists coordinate their plans cloaked in the anonymity of the Internet, as do violent sexual predators prowling chat rooms," Mueller said in a speech at the International Association of Chiefs of Police conference in Boston.

Ridiculous fearmongering.

Fearmongering? Yes. Ridiculous? No - it's the new standard of motivating taxpayers this adminstration has set.

 

[kingtas]

I believe ISP's already record everything you do while connected to their servers. They log everything.

It takes a court order to release that info to a law enforcement agency.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: rivan

Originally posted by: Feldenak

"Terrorists coordinate their plans cloaked in the anonymity of the Internet, as do violent sexual predators prowling chat rooms," Mueller said in a speech at the International Association of Chiefs of Police conference in Boston.

Ridiculous fearmongering.

Fearmongering? Yes. Ridiculous? No - it's the new standard of motivating taxpayers this adminstration has set.

Almost everything this administration has done is ridiculous...almost.

 

[drinkmorejava]

Originally posted by: Blazin Trav
It's bullsh!t and another example of republicans overstepping our liberties and sh!tting on our rights.

A) it's bullshit
B) Republicans? Did you even read the article? The democrats are at it too. http://news.com.com/Data+retention+bill...t+week/2100-1028_3-6118283.html?tag=nl

This is way over the line. But if it does get there, I can guarantee that some very good point to point encryption protocols will be developed that allow every piece of traffic going from one IP to another to be encrypted. Not like HTTPS which only secures the content.

 

[ArchCenturion]

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: MrsBugi

What are the odds of something like this actually happening?

Well, if it does I'm defecting to Canada ASAP. and by defecting I mean sneaking across the border and working in some backwoods village for the rest of my life.

Hey know what? Why dont you move there anyways... Aye? Just to be safe.

 

[Kaervak]

This is nothing new, the government has been trying to do this for years. There's just too much data for ISP's to do it. A while back on TWiT they had Dane Jasper on who runs a small ISP in Cali talking about this, pretty informative. Here's the link for the show if anyone is interested: http://www.twit.tv/39

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: yllus
It's pretty easy to do technologically. Your ISP knows what packets are being transported to/from you as anyone who has a bandwidth limit on their connection already knows.

Odds of it happening are low. You Yankees have the admirable quality of squawking very loudly in situations in which you're presumed guilty without trial.

Unfortunately we seem to have inculcated a fair number of our population with the notion "why should I care, I have nothing to hide".

 

[Kaervak]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: yllus
It's pretty easy to do technologically. Your ISP knows what packets are being transported to/from you as anyone who has a bandwidth limit on their connection already knows.

Odds of it happening are low. You Yankees have the admirable quality of squawking very loudly in situations in which you're presumed guilty without trial.

Unfortunately we seem to have inculcated a fair number of our population with the notion "why should I care, I have nothing to hide".

Ah yes, the "I have nothing to hide" line. I love that one. I have news for all you people that think that, watch someone long enough and you'll find something they want to hide.

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: ArchCenturion

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: MrsBugi

What are the odds of something like this actually happening?

Well, if it does I'm defecting to Canada ASAP. and by defecting I mean sneaking across the border and working in some backwoods village for the rest of my life.

Hey know what? Why dont you move there anyways... Aye? Just to be safe.

I fully plan on it after finishing college. F living in the USA!

/not anti-american, just anti-politics

 

[AlgaeEater]

Originally posted by: kingtas
I believe ISP's already record everything you do while connected to their servers. They log everything.

It takes a court order to release that info to a law enforcement agency.

This stuff is already happening. This new law or act will only make it more public what is being done.

 

[kingtas]

Anybody ever hear of Karnivor?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: ch33zw1z
I'd be surprised if the ISPs don't already do something like this.

This is very old news.

I installed not only ISP tracking equipment but people tracking equipment over the last 6 years and still installing it.

Enjoy

 

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: ArchCenturion

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: MrsBugi

What are the odds of something like this actually happening?

Well, if it does I'm defecting to Canada ASAP. and by defecting I mean sneaking across the border and working in some backwoods village for the rest of my life.

Hey know what? Why dont you move there anyways... Aye? Just to be safe.

I fully plan on it after finishing college. F living in the USA!

/not anti-american, just anti-politics

Hmm...while that's one way of looking at it, I'd think another, more productive option, rather than running away, would be to try and make a change for the better.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

"Terrorists coordinate their plans cloaked in the anonymity of the Internet, as do violent sexual predators prowling chat rooms," Mueller said in a speech at the International Association of Chiefs of Police conference in Boston.

Ridiculous fearmongering.

I wouldn't doubt that terrorists do coordinate their plans online, so that much is accurate. Anecdotally, much of the evidence against the "Toronto 17" group of terrorists up here was gathered from a invite-only forum they were using. That end of things is pretty well documented.

Of course, tracking all of us based on this tiny, tiny percentage is crazy and an obvious infringement on our rights.

Originally posted by: kingtas
Anybody ever hear of Karnivor?

"Carnivore" was shut down ages ago.

 

[ebaycj]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: ch33zw1z
I'd be surprised if the ISPs don't already do something like this.

This is very old news.

I installed not only ISP tracking equipment but people tracking equipment over the last 6 years and still installing it.

Enjoy

Dave, if you are so morally opposed to what they are doing, why do you continue to help them do it? Surely it would be easier on your conscience to flip burgers at McDonalds.

 

[ebaycj]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Feldenak

"Terrorists coordinate their plans cloaked in the anonymity of the Internet, as do violent sexual predators prowling chat rooms," Mueller said in a speech at the International Association of Chiefs of Police conference in Boston.

Ridiculous fearmongering.

I wouldn't doubt that terrorists do coordinate their plans online, so that much is accurate. Anecdotally, much of the evidence against the "Toronto 17" group of terrorists up here was gathered from a invite-only forum they were using. That end of things is pretty well documented.

Of course, tracking all of us based on this tiny, tiny percentage is crazy and an obvious infringement on our rights.

Originally posted by: kingtas
Anybody ever hear of Karnivor?

"Carnivore" was shut down ages ago.

Yeah, just like MTV's "Punk'd" was cancelled after one season.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

they are already doing this through carnivore and echelon been doing this for years

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: Whisper

Hmm...while that's one way of looking at it, I'd think another, more productive option, rather than running away, would be to try and make a change for the better.

meh, I'm not a fan of politics or knowing the details of various laws. Plus unless i joined a specific party I'd never get taken seriously.

Then again I have taken place in several anti-bush protests and am a member of sds. Honestly I'd rather enjoy being free rather than being oppressed and fighting it.