Red Storm
Lifer
- Oct 2, 2005
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This. If I see a chainsaw cutting through my door why the hell would I assume it's law enforcement? My first thought would be "Psychos!"
My point is you don't have to shoot blindly through the door. That's just stupid.
If you had a set of balls, you would get an eyeball on the person before shooting.
Alternatively, if you're scared you can fire a warning shot(s) - telling anyone that's in their right mind that if they walk over that threshold they'll be taking one. This also gives you the opportunity to vocally confirm the identity of the person.
Shooting through a door BLIND is just something a coward and a fool would do.
sygyzy
Lifer
- Oct 21, 2000
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I never understood it either. I guess the idea is that if they knocked, the drug dealers would have a 2 second head start ... to do what? Take two steps towards the back entrance which is likely covered by other SWAT officers?
sygyzy
Lifer
- Oct 21, 2000
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What does balls have to do with anything? You are calling someone a coward for wanting to protect his family and home while an unknown assailant is cutting through the door with a chainsaw?
And at this point, how do you know its a law enforcement officer? this is the first I've heard of them using a chainsaw to cut through a door - I thought they usually used the handheld battering rams.
So if I saw a chainsaw blade coming through my door, the most rational thing I might do is fire a warning shot. After that you are getting lead.
T_Yamamoto
Lifer
- Jul 6, 2011
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Since when did they start issuing chainsaws to the FBI? Did Obama cut their budget already? lol
Seriously, you have to consider at least firing some warning shots if they're using a damn chainsaw. I wouldn't believe someone yelling "FBI" after using a chainsaw without seeing some serious identification. Also how do you get the wrong apartment any way? Whoever gave them the info had to have told them the apartment number or how to specifically get to the apartment. Yay for war on drugs.
Seriously, you have to consider at least firing some warning shots if they're using a damn chainsaw. I wouldn't believe someone yelling "FBI" after using a chainsaw without seeing some serious identification. Also how do you get the wrong apartment any way? Whoever gave them the info had to have told them the apartment number or how to specifically get to the apartment. Yay for war on drugs.
khon
Golden Member
- Jun 8, 2010
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I hope she sues their ass and wins.
Wrong appartement + no knock + chainsaw through her door + 30 mins on the floor with guns pointed at her.
I'd say she has an excellent case for psychological damage, and we need people like her to sue the government in order to fight the ridiculous war on drugs.
Wrong appartement + no knock + chainsaw through her door + 30 mins on the floor with guns pointed at her.
I'd say she has an excellent case for psychological damage, and we need people like her to sue the government in order to fight the ridiculous war on drugs.
rhino56
Platinum Member
- Oct 6, 2004
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she sues we pay, it is a no win situation. Sucks when the people have no say in what their government does.
I think the anti-SOPA movement is a pretty good indicator of the fact that people DO have a say in what the gov. does. The question is how to get enough people to react to something like this to say no to no-knockers.
I wouldn't have a problem saying no to no knockers.
lxskllr
No Lifer
- Nov 30, 2004
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You have a say. Quit electing fuckers that subvert your rights. When you say "Candidate X is unelectable, so I'm going to vote for candidate Y", your fucking yourself, and getting the representation you deserve. Best of 2 evils isn't acceptable. Vote for those who support the country, and freedom. They're out there, and if people do the right things, they'll get elected.
waggy
No Lifer
- Dec 14, 2000
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you are a idiot.
IF somone is useing a chainsaw to get through my door odds are they aren't there for tea. Not to mention do you think it would matter once they cross the threshold? they would be dressed as swat members. A innocent person is not going to be thinking ok its the FBI at the wrong house its all good. NO they will be thinking its a home invasion and shoot.
the FBI fucked up big time. I do think no-knock warrents should be only used in extreme cases. this was not one.
and why are they useing a chainsaw? that is fucking slow. thought they had faster ways to get in.
Hacp
Lifer
- Jun 8, 2005
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reallyscrued
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- Jul 28, 2004
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I hate people like you. I hope to hell your response was fashioned to get a rise out of people because you are exactly the reason why people want to ban guns.
Considering the outcome of this scenario (no deaths, but a few nightmares) and putting that into perspective, what would shooting at the door had solved? You don't know why someone has a chainsaw and is coming through your door, you are as idiotic as the police in blindly barging into the wrong apartment.
Unless you meant 'if you were a drug dealer with everything to lose and someone came through with a chainsaw' you would shoot at the door. In which case I misread what you wrote.
waggy
No Lifer
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Golgatha
Lifer
- Jul 18, 2003
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Fuck that! They had the wrong address and were unlawfully breaking and entering. Castle doctrine FTW.
sourceninja
Diamond Member
- Mar 8, 2005
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Bullshit! I see a chainsaw going though my door, I'm opening fire.
Hell if my door gets kicked in I'm going to open fire. I'm not a criminal, so that kind of intrusion screams home invasion to me. Adrenaline and fear is going to make it really difficult to realize they made a mistake.
They better hope I can see police and they are screaming police.
SpatiallyAware
Lifer
- Sep 7, 2009
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Professional home invaders are known to do their invasions swat-style. This is why you often hear about how they have 'swat vests' and 'swat helmets'.. They kick your door down and scream FBI GET ON THE GROUND right before they tie you up and rape your wife and daughter in front of you, if not worse.
I live a legal, law abiding life. If someone kicks my door down for ANY reason I assume they are there to take my life or worse, and will react accordingly. I honestly don't care what they say or claim or anything else other than obvious police cars outside my home.
SaDiZTiKStyLeZ
Lifer
- Apr 12, 2010
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SpatiallyAware
Lifer
- Sep 7, 2009
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For every one of these there are probably 2-3 real home invasions where terrible terrible things happen to the people that live there. You usually don't get the gory details through the media, but someone coming into your home at night IS NOT THERE TO ROB YOU. Burglars come in during the day when you're not home.
Seriously, I would rather get shot by police than even remotely risk going through what some of these families have to deal with.
ViviTheMage
Lifer
I have never actually heard of this happening, though I am sure very likely...any proof/articles that this has ever happened though?
Squisher
Lifer
- Aug 17, 2000
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Over the sound of a chain saw? They might as well yell ghost busters. No knock means no yelling before they break down the door.
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