Favre: how good is he?

[poopaskoopa]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
problem for favre is there are many qb's ranked ahead of him in my opinion.

Montana, Elway, Marino, Staubach, Bradshaw, Aiken, Young, Peyton just to name a few off the top of my head all rank ahead of him. ok, mb peyton is a long shot, he will have to keep it up for another 10 yrs, but favre at his absolute best was not as good as peyton is right now.

Yeah, but that's not really a problem for getting into HoF. A half of those guys are already in HoF, so it's not like he's going to be fighting for votes against those guys.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: poopaskoopa

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
problem for favre is there are many qb's ranked ahead of him in my opinion.

Montana, Elway, Marino, Staubach, Bradshaw, Aiken, Young, Peyton just to name a few off the top of my head all rank ahead of him. ok, mb peyton is a long shot, he will have to keep it up for another 10 yrs, but favre at his absolute best was not as good as peyton is right now.

Yeah, but that's not really a problem for getting into HoF. A half of those guys are already in HoF, so it's not like he's going to be fighting for votes against those guys.

true, that statement was really more directed at Favre place in history idea more than his place in the HOF. he's a sure thing HOFer. but is he an all time great? mb mb not.

 

[marcello]

Originally posted by: Dragnov

Originally posted by: marcello
First ballot, no doubt. One of the greatest ever. This is coming from a 49ers fan, and we don't take to kindly to the Packers.

Hehe. Coming from a Packers fan, I despise the 49ers but acknowledge that the greatness of Montano, Young, and Rice. All those years of meeting the 49ers in early round playoffs...

I'm hugely biased, but Favre is still one of the greatest of all time. How can you say he hasn't been great for a long time? Under Favre, the Packers have NEVER had a losing season. He's the only 3 time MVP. Packers have made the playoffs nearly every single season under him. And he's STILL playing top 5 QB caliber right now.

If anything, I say people take for granted how great he has been because he's played great for his entire career. And this has been done all w/o a star WR or RB. Sterling Sharpe and Dorsey Levens? Uhh.... He has Javon Walker and Ahman Green now but they're no Julius Irving and Emmit Smith.

Yeah, there were a bunch of great games, playoffs and regular season. Too bad we were on the losing end most of the time. Except for Young to TO. The Catch II. God that was amazing to watch. Did you enjoy it as much as I did?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Regs
Two things come to mind when I think of Favre.

1. Would he be anything if it wasn't for the offensive line playing good for him?

2. He has a tendency to get injured.

200 consecutive starts.

you and i must have a very different idea of "tendency to get injured"

heh darnit! i was looking this up when you guys posted it.


I think favre is one of the toughest QB's playing.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
problem for favre is there are many qb's ranked ahead of him in my opinion.

Montana, Elway, Marino, Staubach, Bradshaw, Aiken, Young, Peyton just to name a few off the top of my head all rank ahead of him. ok, mb peyton is a long shot, he will have to keep it up for another 10 yrs, but favre at his absolute best was not as good as peyton is right now.

As far as I am concerned, only elway was unquestionably better, maybe marino. The rest are debatable (though I agree with some). But in my opinion, the QBs that deserve a higher place than favre are marino, elway, and unitas. I don't know why clay aiken is on the list 😛. Don't know enough about staubach to say. I would rank favre above aikman, montana, bradshaw, young, and both mannings. But it is certainly debatable. Toughness, clutch play, and that dang arm win out for me over his negatives of trying to force it and underestimating defensive preparation.

Oh yeah, he does lately tend to get injured, but who cares, he still plays well generally. There was a period of time where he looked awful after that thumb injury, but I'll take him over someone who never gets injured but when he does flops like a pancake.

 

[UsandThem]

Originally posted by: Electric Amish

Originally posted by: marcello
First ballot, no doubt. One of the greatest ever. This is coming from a 49ers fan, and we don't take to kindly to the Packers.

I thought San Francisco was famous for it's Packers... 😉


I think he's pretty good. There are many I'd put ahead of him. Of those currently playing I'd take Peyton Manning and Tom Brady over him.

Tom Brady? You shouldn't mention Tom Brady and great quarterback in the same sentence. There has not been many highlights of Brady. He fits in the current Patriot system well, that is it.

He is a winner, but not a great quarterback.

 

[poopaskoopa]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: poopaskoopa

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
problem for favre is there are many qb's ranked ahead of him in my opinion.

Montana, Elway, Marino, Staubach, Bradshaw, Aiken, Young, Peyton just to name a few off the top of my head all rank ahead of him. ok, mb peyton is a long shot, he will have to keep it up for another 10 yrs, but favre at his absolute best was not as good as peyton is right now.

Yeah, but that's not really a problem for getting into HoF. A half of those guys are already in HoF, so it's not like he's going to be fighting for votes against those guys.

true, that statement was really more directed at Favre place in history idea more than his place in the HOF. he's a sure thing HOFer. but is he an all time great? mb mb not.

Oh, if that's the topic, then I'd have to say that he's not an all-time great. Pretty good, and the best GB has ever had, but I think he gets mad props from the media for no apparent reason.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: UsandThem

Originally posted by: Electric Amish

Originally posted by: marcello
First ballot, no doubt. One of the greatest ever. This is coming from a 49ers fan, and we don't take to kindly to the Packers.

I thought San Francisco was famous for it's Packers... 😉


I think he's pretty good. There are many I'd put ahead of him. Of those currently playing I'd take Peyton Manning and Tom Brady over him.

Tom Brady? You shouldn't mention Tom Brady and great quarterback in the same sentence. There has not been many highlights of Brady. He fits in the current Patriot system well, that is it.

He is a winner, but not a great quarterback.

I think brady is a great quarterback "so far". I don't know how he'd do in different systems, but he is extremely good in clutch situations. His 2 minute drill is excellent, and his penchant to find a way to win is quite something. True greatness to me is defined by longevity, so we'll have to wait and see. 3 years of good stuff already makes him better than most quarterbacks in the league.

 

[Preyhunter]

Tom Brady? You shouldn't mention Tom Brady and great quarterback in the same sentence. There has not been many highlights of Brady. He fits in the current Patriot system well, that is it.

He is a winner, but not a great quarterback.

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Brady will tell you that himself. He doesn't see himself as a great quarterback.

 

[Dragnov]

Yeah, there were a bunch of great games, playoffs and regular season. Too bad we were on the losing end most of the time. Except for Young to TO. The Catch II. God that was amazing to watch. Did you enjoy it as much as I did?

lol, I remember that catch. But like you said, the Packers were on the winning end of those games nearly all the time. 🙂 Which again, attribute to the greatness of Brett Favre. He beat a team with Young, Owens, Rice... with his best WR being Antonio Freeman? And while the Packers are once again looking to make the playoffs, the 49ers are now the worst team in the NFL (losing to the Dolphins... ouch!). 😉

ESPN is about to Top 10 moments for Brett Favre. I can't wait. 🙂

 

[marcello]

Originally posted by: Dragnov

Yeah, there were a bunch of great games, playoffs and regular season. Too bad we were on the losing end most of the time. Except for Young to TO. The Catch II. God that was amazing to watch. Did you enjoy it as much as I did?

lol, I remember that catch. But like you said, the Packers were on the winning end of those games nearly all the time. 🙂 Which again, attribute to the greatness of Brett Favre. He beat a team with Young, Owens, Rice... with his best WR being Antonio Freeman? And while the Packers are once again looking to make the playoffs, the 49ers are now the worst team in the NFL (losing to the Dolphins... ouch!). 😉

Yeah, I created a thread about that earlier. It was the "Worst Football Team Ever", and my nomination was this years 49ers. They've now proven they are the worst team this year, now the sky (or core of the earth if you prefer) is the limit.

 

[PoPPeR]

Originally posted by: marcello

Originally posted by: Dragnov

Originally posted by: marcello
First ballot, no doubt. One of the greatest ever. This is coming from a 49ers fan, and we don't take to kindly to the Packers.

Hehe. Coming from a Packers fan, I despise the 49ers but acknowledge that the greatness of Montano, Young, and Rice. All those years of meeting the 49ers in early round playoffs...

I'm hugely biased, but Favre is still one of the greatest of all time. How can you say he hasn't been great for a long time? Under Favre, the Packers have NEVER had a losing season. He's the only 3 time MVP. Packers have made the playoffs nearly every single season under him. And he's STILL playing top 5 QB caliber right now.

If anything, I say people take for granted how great he has been because he's played great for his entire career. And this has been done all w/o a star WR or RB. Sterling Sharpe and Dorsey Levens? Uhh.... He has Javon Walker and Ahman Green now but they're no Julius Irving and Emmit Smith.

Yeah, there were a bunch of great games, playoffs and regular season. Too bad we were on the losing end most of the time. Except for Young to TO. The Catch II. God that was amazing to watch. Did you enjoy it as much as I did?

I enjoyed it for a brief second before realizing that the 49ers would lose the following week. And ahoy... that's exactly what they did.

 

[kyparrish]

he's really really really good

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Preyhunter

Tom Brady? You shouldn't mention Tom Brady and great quarterback in the same sentence. There has not been many highlights of Brady. He fits in the current Patriot system well, that is it.

He is a winner, but not a great quarterback.

Brady will tell you that himself. He doesn't see himself as a great quarterback.
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brady is Joe Montana all over again.

Montana wasn't great either as far as his ability, he's not Marino or Elway, he just won.

but if he hadn't been drafted to that system, if bill walsh hasn't built that offense, than montana would have been an average qb at best. same with brady, but you can't argue with brady (or montana's) success.

 

[marcello]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Preyhunter

Tom Brady? You shouldn't mention Tom Brady and great quarterback in the same sentence. There has not been many highlights of Brady. He fits in the current Patriot system well, that is it.

He is a winner, but not a great quarterback.

Brady will tell you that himself. He doesn't see himself as a great quarterback.

brady is Joe Montana all over again.

Montana wasn't great either as far as his ability, he's not Marino or Elway, he just won.

but if he hadn't been drafted to that system, if bill walsh hasn't built that offense, than montana would have been an average qb at best. same with brady, but you can't argue with brady (or montana's) success.[/quote]

Or Montana's ability to always score to start and end a game. The Niners always scored on their first drive, and if they needed to score on their last drive, Montana made it happen. Yes he was a product of a good system, but he was clutch and just because it's a good system doesn't mean that anyone could do it.

 

[Farvacola]

I'm a lot better!

 

[Crazee]

Here is Brett's place in NFL history for some of the stats:

Career Passing Yards Total
1) Dan Marino 61,361
2) John Elway 51,475
3) Warren Moon 49,325
4) Brett Favre 48,272
5) Fran Tarkenton 47,003

Career Passing Attempts
1) Dan Marino 8,358
2) John Elway 7,250
3) Warren Moon 6,823
4) Brett Favre 6,812
5) Frank Tarkenton

Career Completions
1) Dan Marino 4,967
2) Brett Favre 4,186
3) John Elway 4,123
4) Warren Moon 3,988
5) Fran Tarkenton 3,686

Career Touchdown Passes
1) Dan Marino 420
2) Brett Favre 365
3) Fran Tarkenton 342
4) John Elway 300
5) Warren Moon 291

Career Wins as a Starting QB
1) John Elway 148
2) Dan Marino 147
3) Brett Favre 131
4) Fran Tarkenton 125
5) Johnny Unitas 119


Consecutive Games With A TD Pass
1) Johnny Unitas 47
2) Brett Favre 35
3) Dan Marino 30
4) Dave Kreig 28
5) Chris Chandler 27
5) Peyton Manning 27

Consecutive Games Started
1) Jim Marshall 270
2) Mick Tingelhoff 240
3) Bruce Matthews 229
4) Fred Cox 210
4) Jim Otto 210
6) Gene Upshaw 207
7) Randall McDaniel 202
8) Brett Favre 200 *highest of quarterbacks
9) Doug Dieken 194
10) Len Hauss 192

I think you can look at these stats as well as others and it is pretty easy to put him in the top 5.

 

[slpaulson]

Originally posted by: Regs
Two things come to mind when I think of Favre.

2. He has a tendency to get injured.

Did you miss the part where he's had 200 consecutive starts?

He's had a few injuries, but he guts it out...