Faux debacle

[jonks]

http://youdecide08.foxnews.com...ry-for-the-first-time/

So Mrs. O said "?For the first time in my adult life, I am really proud of my country, because it feels like hope is making a comeback? not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change." Perhaps an unfortunate turn of phrase, but I think the gist was pretty clear.

However, opponents seized on this, and Cindy McCain then said at a public appearance that "I just wanted to make the statement that I have and always will be proud of my country.?

Now of the 2 comments, I think Cindy Mac's is the more ill stated one, as it rings to close to the "US can do no wrong". Blind patriotism of your country no matter what it does is not an admirable trait. Capacity to be ashamed of your country's actions does not make you a traitor, or any less American. But it's also less than admirable to say you think there's nothing your country has accomplished to be pround of for the last 25 years except for your husband being a viable candidate for president.

Anyway it's a non-event really, but it does highlight Michelle's first foray into the spotlight in a negative way. As this is a spat between potential first ladies, I'm waiting for Bill to chime in.

 

[nageov3t]

karma?

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: sirjonk
... I think the gist was pretty clear.

yes, this is a stretch, making something out this

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: sirjonk
Neither is saying you think there's nothing your country has accomplished to be proud of except for supporting your husband.

Really? Funny, because that's exactly what it sounded to me like Mrs. O said. I suppose if you were really desperate to make excuses for her you could interpret it some other way, but as a neutral bystander, it seems a pretty unpatriotic thing to say as the wife of a presidential candidate. Though for anybody who has already made up their mind as Pro-Obama, I doubt this is going to even register with them. So yeah, non-issue really.

 

[Pabster]

Another Hillary surrogate non-issue.

They're getting so desperate it has become laughable.

 

[StageLeft]

@*#( her and screw her husband, that says volumes, they should both be shipped to Gitmo, stat, omg! (this is not directed at the OP, but the OP of the article ).

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Pabster
Another Hillary surrogate non-issue.

They're getting so desperate it has become laughable.

Are you talking about me?

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: sirjonk
Neither is saying you think there's nothing your country has accomplished to be proud of except for supporting your husband.

Really? Funny, because that's exactly what it sounded to me like Mrs. O said. I suppose if you were really desperate to make excuses for her you could interpret it some other way, but as a neutral bystander, it seems a pretty unpatriotic thing to say as the wife of a presidential candidate. Though for anybody who has already made up their mind as Pro-Obama, I doubt this is going to even register with them. So yeah, non-issue really.

Not sure where your "really?" comes in. I was agreeing with you. I said McCain's statement evincing blind patriotism was not an admirable trait. And neither was MO's statement admirable.

 

[Moonbeam]

I am voting for Obama for President, not his wife. If she sees deep flaws in this country that have not made her proud of it, great by me. That only means to me she will push her husband to fix things that a black American woman can see are wrong. There are a ton of things I'm not proud of either and one of them is that our Supreme Coup put that asshole Bush in power and he started a disaster in Iraq and everywhere else. I'm proud as hell that a tide is rising in America that maybe just maybe will bring change. I'm not looking for change for the sake of change but because so much of what is makes me sick. I'm happy to think that good change may come, but I'm not holding my breath. People who hate themselves are terrified that things will get better and there will be countless bodies in front of the bus.

 

[LegendKiller]

She is a woman who isn't a politician, thinks for herself, has no political aspirations, and loves her husband tremendously. I have no problem with her offbeat humor, or her speeches. If anything, she's far more "American" than Bush ever was or any other candidate will be. We don't need political animals.

 

[Vic]

Mrs. O didn't say that she wasn't proud of her country in the past, just that she is really proud now. Cindy McCain is just doing the usual neocon jingoistic spin, where anything less than the absolute most glowing patriotism is tantamount to treason.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Vic
Mrs. O didn't say that she wasn't proud of her country in the past, just that she is really proud now. Cindy McCain is just doing the usual neocon jingoistic spin, where anything less than the absolute most glowing patriotism is tantamount to treason.

Does CM seem like the type to come up with that on her own? Sounds like an "advisor" asked her to drop the line to me.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I am voting for Obama for President, not his wife.

Yeah, but you see the problem here. Hillary's voters are the exact opposite. They're mostly voting for Bill, not her. :laugh:

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: sirjonk
http://youdecide08.foxnews.com...ry-for-the-first-time/

Now of the 2 comments, I think Cindy Mac's is the more ill stated one, as it rings to close to the "US can do no wrong". Blind patriotism of your country no matter what it does is not an admirable trait. Neither is saying you think there's nothing your country has accomplished to be pround of except for supporting your husband.

Also, claiming that you can do no wrong means issues are neglected. It's just closing your eyes to what's happening.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: sirjonk
Neither is saying you think there's nothing your country has accomplished to be proud of except for supporting your husband.

Really? Funny, because that's exactly what it sounded to me like Mrs. O said. I suppose if you were really desperate to make excuses for her you could interpret it some other way, but as a neutral bystander, it seems a pretty unpatriotic thing to say as the wife of a presidential candidate. Though for anybody who has already made up their mind as Pro-Obama, I doubt this is going to even register with them. So yeah, non-issue really.

Not sure where your "really?" comes in. I was agreeing with you. I said McCain's statement evincing blind patriotism was not an admirable trait. And neither was MO's statement admirable.

yes I see now. I read too quickly the first time and misinterpreted what you meant. I interpreted it more like "Neither of the two women. . . " My apologies.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: sirjonk
Neither is saying you think there's nothing your country has accomplished to be proud of except for supporting your husband.

Really? Funny, because that's exactly what it sounded to me like Mrs. O said. I suppose if you were really desperate to make excuses for her you could interpret it some other way, but as a neutral bystander, it seems a pretty unpatriotic thing to say as the wife of a presidential candidate. Though for anybody who has already made up their mind as Pro-Obama, I doubt this is going to even register with them. So yeah, non-issue really.

Not sure where your "really?" comes in. I was agreeing with you. I said McCain's statement evincing blind patriotism was not an admirable trait. And neither was MO's statement admirable.

She was born in Jan, 1964 so she would be considered an adult since around 1983. She hasn't found anything to be "really proud of" about this country in all that time?

Yeah, if she meant it then it was a gaffe on her part. Maybe she should just stay in the kitchen until after the election??

 

[naddicott]

Given her two primary associations of her efforts during her adult life's work, healthcare and urban poverty, America really doesn't have that much to be proud of since 1983 (in those arenas). She is admittedly the more cynical and sarcastic of the two, which has up 'till now played better in small format meetings than in news sound bites. Don't expect this to be her last news media gaffe - sarcasm never plays well out of context.

 

[FoBoT]

I :heart: sarcasm

 

[SSSnail]

Get your cool-aid here, cheap. Many flavors, I have liquorice, seems to be popular nowadays.

 

[nageov3t]

I think she definitely misspoke, but I don't see how it could be construed as sarcasm.

 

[heyheybooboo]

I'd like to have the franchise on all the US flags the Cons are going to wrap themselves in over the next 9 months ...

 

[FuzzyBee]

What would y'all have done if our President said the exact same thing? Think about it.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Well I see one quote as spontainious and emotional, the other as backstabbing and self serving. Other than that it is all nit-picking gone wild.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
What would y'all have done if our President said the exact same thing? Think about it.

Hell ya'll, that would be one of his better moments.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
What would y'all have done if our President said the exact same thing? Think about it.

Hell ya'll, that would be one of his better moments.

#1: It's "y'all", as in "you all"; not "ya'll". If you're going to try to mock me, at least do it intelligently, okay?

#2: Really? Honestly? It would have been one of his "better moments"? You know as well as I that the majority of the people fervently defending Mrs. Obama would be poking as many jabs at our President as they could.

Please note that I am pointing jabs at nobody. I'm sure it was merely intended as typical political rhetoric, and it got typical political rhetoric in return.