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Lifer
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Originally posted by: Linux23
I guess that's stereotypical black behavior?:roll:

What's stereotypical white behavior?

Going to Nascar races and yelling YEEEEEEEEHAW and calling everyone ya'll. :D
 

Deeko

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Originally posted by: Linux23
I guess that's stereotypical black behavior?:roll:

What's stereotypical white behavior? Going postal? Bringing guns to school and having shootouts, ala Matrix style?

You roll your eyes...but after living on the edge of west philly for 6 years, yes, that IS stereotypical behavior. That sort of thing happened quite often, in fact.
 

zoiks

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Originally posted by: mattocs
Originally posted by: thepd7
Originally posted by: mattocs
This is why I carry a gun. As soon as I was hit, i'd kill them.

7 on 1? You don't have to be hit first, you just have to have a reasonable fear for your life (in TX at least). Not saying I would start shooting but as soon as yelling started and 7 guys are coming at me I am drawing.

Yeah, and you would probably only need to shoot one of them...unless they are on meth or crack and keep coming. Then you might have to shoot them all.

And I don't know if it makes me a bad person, but I would have zero remorse killing someone who threatened my life or the life of a loved one.

whoah. what a big man you are. lemme buy you a pack of gum and show you how to chew it. wooo.
 

Linux23

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: Linux23
I guess that's stereotypical black behavior?:roll:

What's stereotypical white behavior? Going postal? Bringing guns to school and having shootouts, ala Matrix style?

You roll your eyes...but after living on the edge of west philly for 6 years, yes, that IS stereotypical behavior. That sort of thing happened quite often, in fact.

You don't think being poor and uneducated has anything to do with this? I guess pulling race is more convenient.
 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Svnla
"Today, more African-American men are in jail than in college. In 2000 there were 791,600 black men in prison and 603,032 enrolled in college. In 1980, there were 143,000 black men in prison and 463,700 enrolled in college"

Bolded for reflection. That's disturbing and yet so very, very sad. Bill Cosby is right.

What do you expect?

50 Cents and Snoop Dogg are put up on a pedestal and revered while no one knows who Bob Johnson or Ephren Taylor are?

Anyone who does is a sellout or hi-yellow
 

Oceandevi

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Originally posted by: QED
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: QED
We're kinda getting off-topic here, but the funny part of what you are saying is that typically, inner-city school districts spend as much, if not more, per-pupil than their suburban counterparts. Yet we know those same suburban schools typically outperform the inner-city ones which outspend them. Hence, it appears the problem is not one of funding... but of how resources are managed-- which is all done at the local level.

We can't get off topic since the topic became "I knew they were black."

As to your post something doesn't pass the smell test. You say that inner city schools outspend suburban schools on a per pupil basis?


Yep, typically. Take the Cleveland area for an example. The Cleveland school district is notoriously awful, consistently performing near the bottom in the entire nation in a range a metrics-- from graduation rates to SAT scores.

For the 2005-2006 school year, the Cleveland City School district spent $11,073 per pupil-- more than any of its suburban neighbors, all of whom outpeformed it. Solon, a nearby suburb, spend nearly $1,000 less per-pupil and yet was ranked as one of the top school districts in the nation. Avon, another nearby suburb, spent just $7,104 per student (a nearly $4,000 per student difference), yet outperformed Cleveland.


I don't know what they are factoring in, but mismanagement alone cannot explain why classes of students are using books a decade out of date while suburban kids get new books every few years. Teacher salaries are lower in inner city schools. So where's the money going?

That is a very good question-- because something obviously is not adding up. The teachers make less, they use older books, and yet they spend more. I have heard some urban school districts make the claim that their overhead costs are higher since their school buildings tend to be older and require more maintenance, their student's require more busing than other school districts, etc.

the money is skimmed, stolen, its corruption.
 

idiotekniQues

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Originally posted by: Linux23
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: Linux23
I guess that's stereotypical black behavior?:roll:

What's stereotypical white behavior? Going postal? Bringing guns to school and having shootouts, ala Matrix style?

You roll your eyes...but after living on the edge of west philly for 6 years, yes, that IS stereotypical behavior. That sort of thing happened quite often, in fact.

You don't think being poor and uneducated has anything to do with this? I guess pulling race is more convenient.

someone with brains finally posts

 

halik

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Originally posted by: spaceghost21
Originally posted by: isekii
Yep all black

Yes because the fact that they are fucking miserable excuses for human beings is attributable to the color of their skin. :S

No, it's because senseless extreme violence is a trademark of the thug life culture.
 

IEC

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What the hell, why did no one go to help the guy?

Bunch of pussies.
 

frostedflakes

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Originally posted by: m1ldslide1
Originally posted by: Vonkhan
sad commentary on the state of affairs when no one else steps in & helps out ...

and for the perps - chair

QFMFT.

Imagine if it is you witnessing the event though. If you're at a fair you're probably by yourself or with your own family. Now you have a decision to make.

Are you willing to sacrifice yourself, potentially in front of your family, because you know what's happening is wrong? (You can be sure that you won't stop it unless you're packing). Furthermore, if you stand any chance of winning, you'll have to use some sort of weapon which will instantly escalate the fight into a death match.

OTOH, do you try to do something more 'reasonable' like call the cops, potentially having your family see you sit this one out. Would that be positive or negative role-modeling?

The best scenario would be several strangers getting together to stop it. Doesn't suprirse me that it didn't happen though. :|
In situations like this, though, people tend to not step in unless others do. I'd like to think that if one of two brave people stepped forward, it would start a chain reaction and others would join in to help.
 

DJFuji

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Originally posted by: rivan
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: isekii
Yep all black

:confused:

You know, as much as I hate to say it, I was assuming their demographic before finishing the read or seeing the photos. It's no different than assuming someone arrested for production of meth would be white and super-rough looking. People do fvcked up stuff - black and white, but statistically speaking, when a group of young adults slapping a 12-year-old's ass then giving the father a beatdown like this, odds are they won't be white.

Now, if it was a lone black man, in the wrong part of some rural area, getting a beatdown like this, I'd assume it was white guys doing the beatdown.

Of course, I'm sure I'll be called a racist for this and someone will dig up an article of 6 white trash dudes doing the same thing to "prove" my racism.

You know, its interesting cause i just assumed they were white. Until i read the names, anyway. After Darris, Derry, and Devondre, that kinda tipped me off...
 

DJFuji

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Originally posted by: rivan
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: rivan
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: scott916
Originally posted by: jonks
I don't want to hear any more shit about how all the assholes hang out in P&N

Care to elaborate?

Sure. I could describe in detail the contours of the turd I crapped out last night and it would elevate the level of discussion in this OT thread.

And yet, for the second post in a row, and when asked, you've done nothing to elevate the discussion.

That's the point, there's no elevating a discussion where your purportedly intellectual comment consists of gems like:

Originally posted by: rivan
statistically speaking, when a group of young adults slapping a 12-year-old's ass then giving the father a beatdown like this, odds are they won't be white.

Of course, I'm sure I'll be called a racist for this and someone will dig up an article of 6 white trash dudes doing the same thing to "prove" my racism.

"Odds are" this situation is a "black" crime? I didn't realize blacks had the monopoly on beating up fathers after inappropriately touching their daughters. Granted your post was a step up from the neanderthal offerings on page 1, but that only constitutes a step from moron to idiot. And I don't know whether you reading this story and immediately assuming the attackers were black makes you a racist as much as it makes you a contributor to racism, but the fact that you recognize that someone could probably pull an article showing that the same thing was done by 6 whites should tell you something about your conclusion.

Excellent creative clipping and quoting; I especially like how you totally omit any reference I make to assumptions I make about other criminals being white. I'll respond piece by piece.

"Odds are" this situation is a "black" crime? I didn't realize blacks had the monopoly beating up fathers after inappropriately touching their daughters.

I said they probably wouldn't be white and I stand by that. I didn't say a group of white guys wouldn't kick someone's ass - what I said was that I assumed, based on the total situation, that they'd probably be black. Turns out I wasn't wrong. I could have been, but wasn't.

At no point did I say that black people have a monopoly on anything. In fact, I even pointed to alternatives in the situation where I'd have immediately thought it was white guys.


Granted your post was a step up from the neanderthal offerings on page 1, but that only constitutes a step from moron to idiot.

Seriously? Namecalling doesn't help your case... presenting a rational counter to what I say might. Namecalling will really only give your statements less weight, if not ignored completely.

See if you can get your next post out with an argument without calling anyone names. It'd be refreshing, and everyone here might take you a little more seriously.

And I don't know whether you reading this story and immediately assuming the attackers were black makes you a racist as much as it makes you a contributor to racism, but the fact that you recognize that someone could probably pull an article showing that the same thing was done by 6 whites should tell you something about your conclusion.

Well, as I mentioned in the first post, I was pretty sure someone would come along and take what I said as racism; lo and behold, here you are.

As someone else mentioned, I'm stereotyping. Yep, slap the cuffs on me for seeing a pattern of behavior and expecting it to continue. I guess you glazed over the posts talking about that in an effort to hurriedly get "neanderthal (sic)", "moron", "idiot", and "asshole" into your posts.

There's a gigantic difference between stereotyping and racism that's already been covered in this thread, and I've already conceded that my experience with gang thugs points almost totally to young black men. I know there are thugs out there that are white, latino, black, asian; name your color, I'm sure they've got a gang.

As for contributing to racism; how so? Certainly there are people out there who will take my comments out of context and make it fit whatever frame of mind they want to, and perhaps that person will be white, and a racist, and think I'm on his side.

Heck, you've already done a wonderful job of reading only the parts of my comments that you want to see - why shouldn't everyone else do the same?

Ownage.

People asking 'why didn't anyone help' got me thinking. I consider myself a pretty honorable, standup guy. But I dont know if i'd jump in in that situation against 7 guys twice my size. And I was both a Marine and a black belt. I hate to admit it, but i'd probably just call 911 too. What's kind of counter intuitive is that if i was with a friend who could handle himself and he was like "cmon lets help that guy out," i'd probably jump in with him, even though we'd still probably get our asses kicked with it being 2 on 7.
 

mattocs

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Originally posted by: Mwilding
Originally posted by: mattocs
And I don't know if it makes me a bad person, but I would have zero remorse killing someone who threatened my life or the life of a loved one.
That's big talk. The vision of someone's eyes going lifeless as they bleed out in front of you would probably wake you up at night for years despite your bravado.

I doubt it. They are the scum of the earth. How many lives would I have saved by ending theirs? That satisfaction would probably make me sleep better.
 

xSauronx

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Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: isekii
Yep all black

surprised?

not at all

its not because theyre black (and i know im late to the thread, but, meh) its because theyre assholes. plenty of white guys are assholes too.

my sisters friend was out with her husband one night, and some guy slapped her on the ass, so her husband goes off and nails the guy in the face.

my sister knows the ass-slapper: she used to hang out around him and his buddies because theyre bouncers, and anyone who knows them leaves them alone. theyre a bad group. this group hauled the womans wife to a backroom and beat him almost to death. all white guys.

some people are just lousy, rotten assholes
 

huberm

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i didn't read the whole thread or the whole story, but it seems that the father confronted the 2 individuals after the situation already happened and everyone was safe. If this is the case, he could have simply called the police and they could have handled the situation without him getting involved.

I'm not sure what I would do in that situation, but was it the right thing to do to confront the individuals? One could fairly easily determine they are probably not stable people, judging by what they did to his daughter. I would assume that if they did this, they would be capable and willing to inflict harm to any human being with no regard to their well being.
 

classy

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This has nothing to do with them being black. Scumbags are everywhere and in every race. Just like that white family who kidnapped the kid or woman, I forget right now, and they raped and killed the victim, and the mother of the son who did it masturbated while the son and her husband assaulted the victim. All the teachers molesting the kids happen to be for the most part all white, but are they doing it because they are white or just plain scum? Color has very little to do with crime these days. We live in a sick world with sickos. While the father I commend for being brave is just as much stupid. He should have just called the cops and trust me, in that situation they would have more than taken care of business. People on this board get so hung up on race. And also these gentlemen would have went to jail anyway without the father confronting them.
 

thepd7

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Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: dainthomas
Originally posted by: thepd7
Originally posted by: mattocs
This is why I carry a gun. As soon as I was hit, i'd kill them.

7 on 1? You don't have to be hit first, you just have to have a reasonable fear for your life (in TX at least). Not saying I would start shooting but as soon as yelling started and 7 guys are coming at me I am drawing.

Haha, those punks would scatter like roaches.

You make the assumption that all 7 of them weren't packing themselves, and that you simply drawing your gun causes them to all open fire on you. Now you are not just beaten, you're dead, and possibly your daughter gets hit in the crossfire, too. Maybe you get one of them, maybe not....

I'm just saying. A gun does not automatically make you a god. 7 on 1 is still 7 on 1.

Very true, however if it's 7 on 1 I am calculating the probability they are going to kill me anyways. All it takes is a few well placed blows to the head and I am dead or bleeding out.

At any rate, if they are all coming from one direction and I have my gun drawn anyone moving their hands down instead of up is getting shot at. Trust me, I go to the range twice a month. Even with my 6 round clip I get two at least.


Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: mattocs
This is why I carry a gun. As soon as I was hit, i'd kill them.

Let's see...

7 assailants. My carry weapon's capacity is 7 rounds in the magazine plus one in the chamber. Even though I carry "hot", I do not like those odds.

That's not to say I wouldn't draw, but I'd definitely recognise it as a somewhat less-than-ideal defensive situation.

ZV

So you like the odds of 7 on 1 rather than 5 on 1? Do you really think they would still be coming at you? At the very least, I'll take 5 pissing their pants rather than 7 cocky and raring to go.
 

Andy22

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Originally posted by: Oceandevi
Originally posted by: QED
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: QED
We're kinda getting off-topic here, but the funny part of what you are saying is that typically, inner-city school districts spend as much, if not more, per-pupil than their suburban counterparts. Yet we know those same suburban schools typically outperform the inner-city ones which outspend them. Hence, it appears the problem is not one of funding... but of how resources are managed-- which is all done at the local level.

We can't get off topic since the topic became "I knew they were black."

As to your post something doesn't pass the smell test. You say that inner city schools outspend suburban schools on a per pupil basis?


Yep, typically. Take the Cleveland area for an example. The Cleveland school district is notoriously awful, consistently performing near the bottom in the entire nation in a range a metrics-- from graduation rates to SAT scores.

For the 2005-2006 school year, the Cleveland City School district spent $11,073 per pupil-- more than any of its suburban neighbors, all of whom outpeformed it. Solon, a nearby suburb, spend nearly $1,000 less per-pupil and yet was ranked as one of the top school districts in the nation. Avon, another nearby suburb, spent just $7,104 per student (a nearly $4,000 per student difference), yet outperformed Cleveland.


I don't know what they are factoring in, but mismanagement alone cannot explain why classes of students are using books a decade out of date while suburban kids get new books every few years. Teacher salaries are lower in inner city schools. So where's the money going?

That is a very good question-- because something obviously is not adding up. The teachers make less, they use older books, and yet they spend more. I have heard some urban school districts make the claim that their overhead costs are higher since their school buildings tend to be older and require more maintenance, their student's require more busing than other school districts, etc.

the money is skimmed, stolen, its corruption.

The MAIN reason urban schools have lower test scores is because of high number of PARENTS WHO DON'T GIVE A SHIT. You can spend all the money in the world but unless it is a gifted student they need their parents to be involved and it starts before they ever get into kindergarten. My neighbor was a kindergarten teacher in a VERY urban area and she would routinely have to hold back half of her class. Kids would start school and not know basic things like colors and shapes. A kid could be developmentally challenged and still make it through school with an active parent who took time to teach and work with their kids. Problem is many of these kids have single moms working long hours to support them since their father, or any father figure is not around. Kid will eventually fail out of school and start his life down the same road as his own absent father.