Father badly beaten after trying to protect his 12 year old daughter at Valleyfair

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ric1287

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Svnla
"Today, more African-American men are in jail than in college. In 2000 there were 791,600 black men in prison and 603,032 enrolled in college. In 1980, there were 143,000 black men in prison and 463,700 enrolled in college"

Bolded for reflection. That's disturbing and yet so very, very sad. Bill Cosby is right.

and unfortunately that is somehow the "white man's" fault. Nobody else.
 

GasX

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Originally posted by: dainthomas
Originally posted by: thepd7
Originally posted by: mattocs
This is why I carry a gun. As soon as I was hit, i'd kill them.

7 on 1? You don't have to be hit first, you just have to have a reasonable fear for your life (in TX at least). Not saying I would start shooting but as soon as yelling started and 7 guys are coming at me I am drawing.

Haha, those punks would scatter like roaches.

Stereotypes, while occasionally inaccurate are usually based in fact. There was a group of people here in Portland who stole $81,000 worth of bronze statues, chopped them up, and sold them for $260 worth of scrap (split four ways) to buy meth. Guess the race!

meth = white guy
 

Acanthus

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Originally posted by: Mwilding
Originally posted by: dainthomas
Originally posted by: thepd7
Originally posted by: mattocs
This is why I carry a gun. As soon as I was hit, i'd kill them.

7 on 1? You don't have to be hit first, you just have to have a reasonable fear for your life (in TX at least). Not saying I would start shooting but as soon as yelling started and 7 guys are coming at me I am drawing.

Haha, those punks would scatter like roaches.

Stereotypes, while occasionally inaccurate are usually based in fact. There was a group of people here in Portland who stole $81,000 worth of bronze statues, chopped them up, and sold them for $260 worth of scrap (split four ways) to buy meth. Guess the race!

meth = white guy

yup
 

Fern

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Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: isekii
Yep all black

Ever notice the kidfuckers on To Catch A Predator are all white? Guess
-snip-

Nope. Predominantly white perhaps. Seems more a reflection of the population in general though.

I've seen black guys, Hispanic guys, Arabs, Asians, and even an Indian or two (I'm guessing Indian by the accent).

BTW: That Ghetto site is way insane.

Fern
 

GasX

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Originally posted by: mattocs
And I don't know if it makes me a bad person, but I would have zero remorse killing someone who threatened my life or the life of a loved one.
That's big talk. The vision of someone's eyes going lifeless as they bleed out in front of you would probably wake you up at night for years despite your bravado.

 

rivan

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Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: rivan
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: scott916
Originally posted by: jonks
I don't want to hear any more shit about how all the assholes hang out in P&N

Care to elaborate?

Sure. I could describe in detail the contours of the turd I crapped out last night and it would elevate the level of discussion in this OT thread.

And yet, for the second post in a row, and when asked, you've done nothing to elevate the discussion.

That's the point, there's no elevating a discussion where your purportedly intellectual comment consists of gems like:

Originally posted by: rivan
statistically speaking, when a group of young adults slapping a 12-year-old's ass then giving the father a beatdown like this, odds are they won't be white.

Of course, I'm sure I'll be called a racist for this and someone will dig up an article of 6 white trash dudes doing the same thing to "prove" my racism.

"Odds are" this situation is a "black" crime? I didn't realize blacks had the monopoly on beating up fathers after inappropriately touching their daughters. Granted your post was a step up from the neanderthal offerings on page 1, but that only constitutes a step from moron to idiot. And I don't know whether you reading this story and immediately assuming the attackers were black makes you a racist as much as it makes you a contributor to racism, but the fact that you recognize that someone could probably pull an article showing that the same thing was done by 6 whites should tell you something about your conclusion.

Excellent creative clipping and quoting; I especially like how you totally omit any reference I make to assumptions I make about other criminals being white. I'll respond piece by piece.

"Odds are" this situation is a "black" crime? I didn't realize blacks had the monopoly beating up fathers after inappropriately touching their daughters.

I said they probably wouldn't be white and I stand by that. I didn't say a group of white guys wouldn't kick someone's ass - what I said was that I assumed, based on the total situation, that they'd probably be black. Turns out I wasn't wrong. I could have been, but wasn't.

At no point did I say that black people have a monopoly on anything. In fact, I even pointed to alternatives in the situation where I'd have immediately thought it was white guys.


Granted your post was a step up from the neanderthal offerings on page 1, but that only constitutes a step from moron to idiot.

Seriously? Namecalling doesn't help your case... presenting a rational counter to what I say might. Namecalling will really only give your statements less weight, if not ignored completely.

See if you can get your next post out with an argument without calling anyone names. It'd be refreshing, and everyone here might take you a little more seriously.

And I don't know whether you reading this story and immediately assuming the attackers were black makes you a racist as much as it makes you a contributor to racism, but the fact that you recognize that someone could probably pull an article showing that the same thing was done by 6 whites should tell you something about your conclusion.

Well, as I mentioned in the first post, I was pretty sure someone would come along and take what I said as racism; lo and behold, here you are.

As someone else mentioned, I'm stereotyping. Yep, slap the cuffs on me for seeing a pattern of behavior and expecting it to continue. I guess you glazed over the posts talking about that in an effort to hurriedly get "neanderthal (sic)", "moron", "idiot", and "asshole" into your posts.

There's a gigantic difference between stereotyping and racism that's already been covered in this thread, and I've already conceded that my experience with gang thugs points almost totally to young black men. I know there are thugs out there that are white, latino, black, asian; name your color, I'm sure they've got a gang.

As for contributing to racism; how so? Certainly there are people out there who will take my comments out of context and make it fit whatever frame of mind they want to, and perhaps that person will be white, and a racist, and think I'm on his side.

Heck, you've already done a wonderful job of reading only the parts of my comments that you want to see - why shouldn't everyone else do the same?

 

rivan

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Originally posted by: Mwilding
Originally posted by: dainthomas
Originally posted by: thepd7
Originally posted by: mattocs
This is why I carry a gun. As soon as I was hit, i'd kill them.

7 on 1? You don't have to be hit first, you just have to have a reasonable fear for your life (in TX at least). Not saying I would start shooting but as soon as yelling started and 7 guys are coming at me I am drawing.

Haha, those punks would scatter like roaches.

Stereotypes, while occasionally inaccurate are usually based in fact. There was a group of people here in Portland who stole $81,000 worth of bronze statues, chopped them up, and sold them for $260 worth of scrap (split four ways) to buy meth. Guess the race!

meth = white guy

white guy!?
 

imported_Champ

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Darris D. Evans, 20, of Brooklyn Park; Derry D. Evans, 19; Devondre Evans-Lewis, 18,
notice that there are 3 Evans in this...now notice that their first names all start with 'd'...darris-derry either this is one hell of a coincidence or their parents are the most creative people in the world?
 

Sumguy

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Don't know about you guys (ok, well some I do) but when I was reading the article all the parts of my mind weren't thinking "They must be black" but rather "That is some pretty sick shit. Why didn't anyone try to help the father?" I didn't even think about race at all until I was finished reading and thought about the situation for a while. I originally assumed they would be white trailer trash, but obviously I was wrong.

And no, I usually don't attribute race to a crime upon hearing about it first. Usually the first thing in my mind are the circumstances, why they would even do it, if anyone around could have prevented it from happening, and how it affects victims.

I grew up in a diverse enough environment to know everyone does stupid shit regardless of the color of their skin.

Edit: and I take that ghetto site as seriously as I do 4chan
 

1sikbITCH

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Originally posted by: SludgeFactory
Doesn't seem like a stereotypical black crime to me, in fact I was picturing a bunch of drunk white assholes.

Especially when I saw it was Shakopee, MN, I *really* assumed they were white, heh

Me too. Being from the East Coast (and not having a clue about the Midwest), whenever thinking of a state in that area, my preconceived notion falters between a picture of farmers and skinheads living in underground bunkers, white knuckles clenching their shotguns as they peer out between the sandbags and 20 years worth of canned goods waiting to be invaded by either black helicopters or black people; or a scene from the movie Fargo.
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: idiotekniQues
this is fucked up. wahts just as fucked up are the racist scumbags in here exploiting this.

Who's racist ?
Here's a simple FITB test:

Clue - "People who annoy you."

N _ G G E R S
 

m1ldslide1

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: idiotekniQues
this is fucked up. wahts just as fucked up are the racist scumbags in here exploiting this.

Who's racist ?
Here's a simple FITB test:

Clue - "People who annoy you."

N _ G G E R S

LOL

Well, I know the answer, but I really shouldn't say it...
 

rivan

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Originally posted by: m1ldslide1
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: idiotekniQues
this is fucked up. wahts just as fucked up are the racist scumbags in here exploiting this.

Who's racist ?
Here's a simple FITB test:

Clue - "People who annoy you."

N _ G G E R S

LOL

Well, I know the answer, but I really shouldn't say it...

Agreed. Noggers are a taboo topic around here. Something about egg nog that really puts these guys on edge.
 

dbk

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: idiotekniQues
this is fucked up. wahts just as fucked up are the racist scumbags in here exploiting this.

Who's racist ?
Here's a simple FITB test:

Clue - "People who annoy you."

N _ G G E R S

Naggers ;)
 

QueBert

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Jan 6, 2002
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Originally posted by: Saint Michael
Originally posted by: jonks
Ever notice the kidfuckers on To Catch A Predator are all white? Guess people just have different criminal preferences. Blacks like to kick peoples' ass's, white's like to bang little kids' asses. Aint humanity grand.

Eh? There were Asians and Indians on that show too. Blacks don't bother with the internet, in most black communities having sex with 12-year-olds doesn't have to be done in secret.[/quote]

I hope that last part was sarcasm on your part. I went to school in the inner city and still hang out there today. If you fuck a kid you will be dead, I have NEVER met a black person who was even a little bit cool with this. If you're seriously implying black people are ok with adults having sex with 12 years old I don't know what to say...

go ahead and past a Google link to one case you read about that obviously represents all, or a good portion of black people.
 

Deeko

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Originally posted by: dainthomas
Originally posted by: thepd7
Originally posted by: mattocs
This is why I carry a gun. As soon as I was hit, i'd kill them.

7 on 1? You don't have to be hit first, you just have to have a reasonable fear for your life (in TX at least). Not saying I would start shooting but as soon as yelling started and 7 guys are coming at me I am drawing.

Haha, those punks would scatter like roaches.

You make the assumption that all 7 of them weren't packing themselves, and that you simply drawing your gun causes them to all open fire on you. Now you are not just beaten, you're dead, and possibly your daughter gets hit in the crossfire, too. Maybe you get one of them, maybe not....

I'm just saying. A gun does not automatically make you a god. 7 on 1 is still 7 on 1.
 

QueBert

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Originally posted by: ric1287
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Svnla
"Today, more African-American men are in jail than in college. In 2000 there were 791,600 black men in prison and 603,032 enrolled in college. In 1980, there were 143,000 black men in prison and 463,700 enrolled in college"

Bolded for reflection. That's disturbing and yet so very, very sad. Bill Cosby is right.

and unfortunately that is somehow the "white man's" fault. Nobody else.

while not 100% it's definitely a big factor. Have you ever been to the inner city? My high school didn't have enough books for everyone, and the ones we had were outdated as hell. There were no books for anyone to take home, we didn't even have a library. The school had no money for any after school programs, it was the only HS I've ever seen where BOXING was taught in PE, we had a ring and everything. A lot blacks don't try hard enough, but it's hard to try at all when the schools in the inner cities are so bad they make the bad white schools look like nice private schools. I can safely say no matter how hard I wanted to learn I couldn't have at my HS. I ended up dropping out because it was pointless. And this coming from a white person, I can only imagine how the non whites at the school felt.

 

rivan

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Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: ric1287
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Svnla
"Today, more African-American men are in jail than in college. In 2000 there were 791,600 black men in prison and 603,032 enrolled in college. In 1980, there were 143,000 black men in prison and 463,700 enrolled in college"

Bolded for reflection. That's disturbing and yet so very, very sad. Bill Cosby is right.

and unfortunately that is somehow the "white man's" fault. Nobody else.

while not 100% it's definitely a big factor. Have you ever been to the inner city? My high school didn't have enough books for everyone, and the ones we had were outdated as hell. There were no books for anyone to take home, we didn't even have a library. The school had no money for any after school programs, it was the only HS I've ever seen where BOXING was taught in PE, we had a ring and everything. A lot blacks don't try hard enough, but it's hard to try at all when the schools in the inner cities are so bad they make the bad white schools look like nice private schools. I can safely say no matter how hard I wanted to learn I couldn't have at my HS. I ended up dropping out because it was pointless. And this coming from a white person, I can only imagine how the non whites at the school felt.

I'll agree there's cyclic pressure on keeping the economically disadvantaged.

That said, a community made up of terrible neighborhoods has to help itself out of the mess it's in. All the cops in the world can't do anything to clean up crime if the community doesn't help them.

Crime = destroying efforts to make a neighborhood nicer
Nicer neighborhoods = higher property values
Higher property values = larger tax base
Larger tax base = more money for schools

That's a really gross oversimplification of the situation, but that's how I see it. And when a community doesn't immediately rat out people who do shit like this, it makes everyone think twice about going to a given neighborhood for any reason.

Hit 'post' too soon.

Anyway - a community that bands together and works to better itself will make things better, and lowering crime should be the first thing on the agenda.
 

QED

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Originally posted by: QueBert

while not 100% it's definitely a big factor. Have you ever been to the inner city? My high school didn't have enough books for everyone, and the ones we had were outdated as hell. There were no books for anyone to take home, we didn't even have a library. The school had no money for any after school programs, it was the only HS I've ever seen where BOXING was taught in PE, we had a ring and everything. A lot blacks don't try hard enough, but it's hard to try at all when the schools in the inner cities are so bad they make the bad white schools look like nice private schools. I can safely say no matter how hard I wanted to learn I couldn't have at my HS. I ended up dropping out because it was pointless. And this coming from a white person, I can only imagine how the non whites at the school felt.

We're kinda getting off-topic here, but the funny part of what you are saying is that typically, inner-city school districts spend as much, if not more, per-pupil than their suburban counterparts. Yet we know those same suburban schools typically outperform the inner-city ones which outspend them. Hence, it appears the problem is not one of funding... but of how resources are managed-- which is all done at the local level.