I don't get how both of these are supposed to coexist when each one contradicts the other. We're supposed to live model lives (don't marry same sex, drink alcohol, play gta: sa, say the lords name in vain, etc), which suggests free choice. However, why do babies, children, and all 24,000 people in Southeast asia die? I don't think they have done anything to warrant that, thus implying fate. Any religious people want to comment? And blah blah religion is bs but you can't prove or disprove it.
Fate versus Free choice.
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99% of the time good choices lead to good consequences, bad choices lead to bad consequences.
the other 1% is just blind luck.
the other 1% is just blind luck.
Then why can't we just off ourselves right now? If we're all predestined (like all those innocents), what's the point in trying to live with morals, values, whatever?
Well, some religions believe that you can be punished for things you have done "wrong" even in past lives.................
Blahblah..
I believe in free will. You, and only you, are in control of your life.
yes.
The reason is because.. you are supposedly here for a reason. Killing yourself is the ultimate act of selfishness.
Supposedly, we have "fallen from grace". We are here in order to learn, to better ourselves and eventually rise above this physical world. It's all apart of God's big plan.
The weird thing is, you don't need religion to look at life that way.. The story and religion behind it is fluff, designed to help you understand the positive viewpoint.....
Not necessairly. The coast is not always the resort area it has been percieved to be. In some parts, it's pretty poor. Some people were born there and have lived there all their lives. They can't move because they can't afford it and have no other place to go. I don't think they chose where they could be born in. Or at least I don't remember choosing to be born in CA.
Well okay then... How about, it is the child's fate where he is born. It is their fate for what they were born with or without. However, it is their choice on how they want to live their lives with the cards delt to them.
People in some cases of their lives have free choice. They choose to go a to a certain college/school/bar/movie.
In other cases the stuff that happens(events) are influenced by God and rarely pure coincidence. There's no luck involved or fate. Just God and concidence..
*edit* I am not forcing you to share my beliefs on this subject.Period.
In other cases the stuff that happens(events) are influenced by God and rarely pure coincidence. There's no luck involved or fate. Just God and concidence..
*edit* I am not forcing you to share my beliefs on this subject.Period.
Well, you have freedom of choice until fate, or chance, steps in from time to time; then afterwards, assuming you are still alive, you get to exercise free choice again. It's the way life is. Those kids didn't deserve to get killed any more than some guy deserves to die in an avalanche, but it happens.
But in these examples, it's not really fate or chance at play at all; it's mother nature, which is an unpredictable force we are all subject to during our lives. Sometimes mother nature makes us just a little colder than we want to be in the winter time, other times she drowns our feeble asses in a tsunami.
But in these examples, it's not really fate or chance at play at all; it's mother nature, which is an unpredictable force we are all subject to during our lives. Sometimes mother nature makes us just a little colder than we want to be in the winter time, other times she drowns our feeble asses in a tsunami.
I believe in free will, but I also believe in fate. Everyone can make choices and everyone is affected by things that they have no control over (IE, Earthquakes).
One thing you have to question is, how would their life have turned out had they not been killed by this incident? Maybe one of these people would have been burned in a horrible car accident and suffered for the rest of their life. Maybe a father to be would have killed his pregnant wife. Maybe 'fate' stepped in before some of these kinds of tragedies happened.
One thing you have to question is, how would their life have turned out had they not been killed by this incident? Maybe one of these people would have been burned in a horrible car accident and suffered for the rest of their life. Maybe a father to be would have killed his pregnant wife. Maybe 'fate' stepped in before some of these kinds of tragedies happened.
I believe we have the notion of free will; however it is based on a linear lmode of thinking, cause and effect. But I believe there is no such thing as free will, because linear thinking is only an illusion. We hold on desperately to free will, because the pre determined mode of the universe is chaos, creation/destruction in a ever ciruclar existence. No matter what we do it will inevitably lead to one result, destruction.
it is instinctual to want to survive and procreate. animals will do what they can to survive. we do what we can to survive. once you're mature enough to make decisions on your own, you can decide to kill yourself or continue living.
as for fate and free will, fate plays a small part in our lives. at any moment, we can chose to end our lives and thus eliminating fate from the equation. fate might not even exist. it might just be a game of chance: being at the wrong place at the wrong time or the right place at the right time.
as for fate and free will, fate plays a small part in our lives. at any moment, we can chose to end our lives and thus eliminating fate from the equation. fate might not even exist. it might just be a game of chance: being at the wrong place at the wrong time or the right place at the right time.
well, we all die in the end anyway. last i heard there is no cure for death.
as for free will vs. fate
it's like Schrodinger's cat. both can ideas can coexist together at the same time even though logically only one condition is true at any given moment.
at a microcosmic level you have freewill, you choose what YOU as an individual does, what you eat, how you live ect...
at a macrocosmic level you have fate, you all die no matter what, you are subject to society's rules (if you're drafted to iraq, you serve), and the forces of nature (earthquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes).
It's sad that we have to die. That we cannot find a way around that. Why do we die? Why do our lives expire? Why can trees live so long, but we cannot?
Why can we drown? Why can we bleed to death?
Were we created this way?
Why is it that nothing lives forever?
We accomplish such little in the time we have. Then there is no more time. Then you are gone. What then, if anything?
Why can we drown? Why can we bleed to death?
Were we created this way?
Why is it that nothing lives forever?
We accomplish such little in the time we have. Then there is no more time. Then you are gone. What then, if anything?
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