Fast Internet service for the people - Telcos no like

[EagleKeeper]

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Companies such as Verizon Communications Inc., argue that telecommunications firms would have little incentive to build networks if they have to compete with government-subsidized service.

"The Internet ... is a true global public utility," said Jeffrey Chester, director of the Center for Digital Democracy, an advocate for consumer rights online. "We should be trying to provide it for free."

At least, they argue, community networks should be able to give the large companies some competition

But now the government is getting in on the picture.

/edit Changed summary for P&N political correctness

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Topic Title: Fast Internet service for the people - Telcos no like
Topic Summary: Dave - Is this want you desire?

Poor Greedy Bastards, now they'll only be able to get a 150 foot yacht instead of 250 footer <Tears>

 

[Engineer]

While I would rather see money spent on stuff like this vs some of the crap we spend it on, I would just assume the government not spend any more money. Would it help our economy if everyone had broadband? How about Power Line networks? Everyone has electricity so the infastructure is in place.

Although, Korea spent billions to upgrade nearly all of their citizens to a 20Mbps connection (75% have it now) and it has been a great support to their economy.

Japan is plannign something similar.

 

[eigen]

Just as long as I dont have to pay.
Community Owned Community used community paid for.Sounds okay.:thumbsup:

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: eigen
Just as long as I dont have to pay.
Community Owned Community used community paid for.Sounds okay.:thumbsup:

My "hometown" has community owned/privided utilities including Internet and phone service. It's pretty cool because each house can have a fiber line run to it and that's their "communication" source. Phone, "cable" TV, and internet all from one line. It's pretty inexpensive too - I've seen my Grandma's bills. Ofcourse it's a small rural town but I know it's not the only one who has that type of setup.

CsG

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: eigen
Just as long as I dont have to pay.
Community Owned Community used community paid for.Sounds okay.:thumbsup:

My "hometown" has community owned/privided utilities including Internet and phone service. It's pretty cool because each house can have a fiber line run to it and that's their "communication" source. Phone, "cable" TV, and internet all from one line. It's pretty inexpensive too - I've seen my Grandma's bills. Ofcourse it's a small rural town but I know it's not the only one who has that type of setup.

CsG

:shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

Why am I not surprised by the Hypocracy :roll:

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: eigen
Just as long as I dont have to pay.
Community Owned Community used community paid for.Sounds okay.:thumbsup:

Indded it does Mr. Marx.

 

[eigen]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: eigen
Just as long as I dont have to pay.
Community Owned Community used community paid for.Sounds okay.:thumbsup:

Indded it does Mr. Marx.

How is that marxian.
If a group of people want to get together and fund a network how is that socialist?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: eigen
Just as long as I dont have to pay.
Community Owned Community used community paid for.Sounds okay.:thumbsup:

My "hometown" has community owned/privided utilities including Internet and phone service. It's pretty cool because each house can have a fiber line run to it and that's their "communication" source. Phone, "cable" TV, and internet all from one line. It's pretty inexpensive too - I've seen my Grandma's bills. Ofcourse it's a small rural town but I know it's not the only one who has that type of setup.

CsG

:shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

Why am I not surprised by the Hypocracy :roll:

Eh? What hypocrisy? Those people weren't served by those big bad EVAL companies you rant against and found their own way to "solve" the problem. However, their solution creates other potential problems. IE - no choice. They've pretty much locked out outside utilities and media services and made it "gov't" run. On a small scale this works as people won't bitch unless their service sucks or it gets too expensive. However on a wide scale this would not work because the overhead and beauracracy would bankrupt that system - because that's the nature of our current gov't.

So exactly what are you bleating about then? One small rural community did it -but those outside that little municipality are screwed due to the same thing. A farmer a few miles out of town does not have a fiber line - but the town people do. A community solved a problem they had - which is much more than I can say for you because they acted on and solved a problem instead of whining.

CsG

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: eigen
Just as long as I dont have to pay.
Community Owned Community used community paid for.Sounds okay.:thumbsup:

My "hometown" has community owned/privided utilities including Internet and phone service. It's pretty cool because each house can have a fiber line run to it and that's their "communication" source. Phone, "cable" TV, and internet all from one line. It's pretty inexpensive too - I've seen my Grandma's bills. Ofcourse it's a small rural town but I know it's not the only one who has that type of setup.

CsG

:shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

Why am I not surprised by the Hypocracy :roll:

Eh? What hypocrisy? Those people weren't served by those big bad EVAL companies you rant against and found their own way to "solve" the problem. However, their solution creates other potential problems. IE - no choice. They've pretty much locked out outside utilities and media services and made it "gov't" run. On a small scale this works as people won't bitch unless their service sucks or it gets too expensive. However on a wide scale this would not work because the overhead and beauracracy would bankrupt that system - because that's the nature of our current gov't.

So exactly what are you bleating about then? One small rural community did it -but those outside that little municipality are screwed due to the same thing. A farmer a few miles out of town does not have a fiber line - but the town people do. A community solved a problem they had - which is much more than I can say for you because they acted on and solved a problem instead of whining.

CsG

If you've ever bothered to read my posts I went up against the Monolith Monopoly and won, getting High Speed to a subdivision of 88 normal houses when the Telco had no intention of ever providing the service but ran the service right by down the road 3 miles to the Multi-Millionaire homes.

"Eh? What hypocrisy?"

Not surprised you don't see the Hypocracy, there is a ton of stuff the FLL club "doesn't see".

All I can do is shake my head. 50.9% of America and growing is too far gone to even realize.

 

[eigen]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: eigen
Just as long as I dont have to pay.
Community Owned Community used community paid for.Sounds okay.:thumbsup:

My "hometown" has community owned/privided utilities including Internet and phone service. It's pretty cool because each house can have a fiber line run to it and that's their "communication" source. Phone, "cable" TV, and internet all from one line. It's pretty inexpensive too - I've seen my Grandma's bills. Ofcourse it's a small rural town but I know it's not the only one who has that type of setup.

CsG

:shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

Why am I not surprised by the Hypocracy :roll:

Eh? What hypocrisy? Those people weren't served by those big bad EVAL companies you rant against and found their own way to "solve" the problem. However, their solution creates other potential problems. IE - no choice. They've pretty much locked out outside utilities and media services and made it "gov't" run. On a small scale this works as people won't bitch unless their service sucks or it gets too expensive. However on a wide scale this would not work because the overhead and beauracracy would bankrupt that system - because that's the nature of our current gov't.

So exactly what are you bleating about then? One small rural community did it -but those outside that little municipality are screwed due to the same thing. A farmer a few miles out of town does not have a fiber line - but the town people do. A community solved a problem they had - which is much more than I can say for you because they acted on and solved a problem instead of whining.

CsG

If you've ever bothered to read my posts I went up against the Monolith Monopoly and won, getting High Speed to a subdivision of 88 normal houses when the Telco had no intention of ever providing the service but ran the service right by down the road 3 miles to the Multi-Millionaire homes.

"Eh? What hypocrisy?"

Not surprised you don't see the Hypocracy, there is a ton of stuff the FLL club "doesn't see".

All I can do is shake my head. 50.9% of America and growing is too far gone to even realize.

Thats not really the issue being disputed.In your case you were in the right,Its obvious you live in a suburban area, and so should prolly expect High speed service. but that doesnt really mean much when you are dealing with the farmer that live 20 miles away from the nearest podunk town. My mom lives 25 miles away from anyone with a highspeed connection rich or not.

 

[AntaresVI]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: eigen
Just as long as I dont have to pay.
Community Owned Community used community paid for.Sounds okay.:thumbsup:

My "hometown" has community owned/privided utilities including Internet and phone service. It's pretty cool because each house can have a fiber line run to it and that's their "communication" source. Phone, "cable" TV, and internet all from one line. It's pretty inexpensive too - I've seen my Grandma's bills. Ofcourse it's a small rural town but I know it's not the only one who has that type of setup.

CsG

:shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

Why am I not surprised by the Hypocracy :roll:

Eh? What hypocrisy? Those people weren't served by those big bad EVAL companies you rant against and found their own way to "solve" the problem. However, their solution creates other potential problems. IE - no choice. They've pretty much locked out outside utilities and media services and made it "gov't" run. On a small scale this works as people won't bitch unless their service sucks or it gets too expensive. However on a wide scale this would not work because the overhead and beauracracy would bankrupt that system - because that's the nature of our current gov't.

So exactly what are you bleating about then? One small rural community did it -but those outside that little municipality are screwed due to the same thing. A farmer a few miles out of town does not have a fiber line - but the town people do. A community solved a problem they had - which is much more than I can say for you because they acted on and solved a problem instead of whining.

CsG

If you've ever bothered to read my posts I went up against the Monolith Monopoly and won, getting High Speed to a subdivision of 88 normal houses when the Telco had no intention of ever providing the service but ran the service right by down the road 3 miles to the Multi-Millionaire homes.

"Eh? What hypocrisy?"

Not surprised you don't see the Hypocracy, there is a ton of stuff the FLL club "doesn't see".

All I can do is shake my head. 50.9% of America and growing is too far gone to even realize.

Tell me, if they had budgeted to run cable to one neighborhood, why should they not run it to the one that they can make the most profit off of? Contrary to your belief, corporations do not exist to either serve your needs or die.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: eigen

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: eigen
Just as long as I dont have to pay.
Community Owned Community used community paid for.Sounds okay.:thumbsup:

My "hometown" has community owned/privided utilities including Internet and phone service. It's pretty cool because each house can have a fiber line run to it and that's their "communication" source. Phone, "cable" TV, and internet all from one line. It's pretty inexpensive too - I've seen my Grandma's bills. Ofcourse it's a small rural town but I know it's not the only one who has that type of setup.

CsG

:shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

Why am I not surprised by the Hypocracy :roll:

Eh? What hypocrisy? Those people weren't served by those big bad EVAL companies you rant against and found their own way to "solve" the problem. However, their solution creates other potential problems. IE - no choice. They've pretty much locked out outside utilities and media services and made it "gov't" run. On a small scale this works as people won't bitch unless their service sucks or it gets too expensive. However on a wide scale this would not work because the overhead and beauracracy would bankrupt that system - because that's the nature of our current gov't.

So exactly what are you bleating about then? One small rural community did it -but those outside that little municipality are screwed due to the same thing. A farmer a few miles out of town does not have a fiber line - but the town people do. A community solved a problem they had - which is much more than I can say for you because they acted on and solved a problem instead of whining.

CsG

If you've ever bothered to read my posts I went up against the Monolith Monopoly and won, getting High Speed to a subdivision of 88 normal houses when the Telco had no intention of ever providing the service but ran the service right by down the road 3 miles to the Multi-Millionaire homes.

"Eh? What hypocrisy?"

Not surprised you don't see the Hypocracy, there is a ton of stuff the FLL club "doesn't see".

All I can do is shake my head. 50.9% of America and growing is too far gone to even realize.

Thats not really the issue being disputed.In your case you were in the right,Its obvious you live in a suburban area, and so should prolly expect High speed service. but that doesnt really mean much when you are dealing with the farmer that live 20 miles away from the nearest podunk town. My mom lives 25 miles away from anyone with a highspeed connection rich or not.

The farmer have a phone???

If he has a phone, he can have High Speed inexpensively, the price of the technology has come down so much it is as cheap as a toaster on a comparitive scale.

Excuses Excuses. That's why the U.S. is just Wusses now and happy to be Wusses.

 

[MoFunk]

Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of high speed porn action. If you can't afford high speed internet TOUGH. Why they hell should I have more taxes taken out of my check so someone could have high speed internet. That is just pathetic.

"The Internet ... is a true global public utility," said Jeffrey Chester, director of the Center for Digital Democracy, an advocate for consumer rights online. "We should be trying to provide it for free."

Free for who? Someone has to foot the bill. And I can see it now, these people who now have internet access do not have pc's, or updated pc's, we need more tax dollars to help them out.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: MoFunk
Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of high speed porn action. If you can't afford high speed internet TOUGH. Why they hell should I have more taxes taken out of my check so someone could have high speed internet. That is just pathetic.

"The Internet ... is a true global public utility," said Jeffrey Chester, director of the Center for Digital Democracy, an advocate for consumer rights online. "We should be trying to provide it for free."

Free for who? Someone has to foot the bill. And I can see it now, these people who now have internet access do not have pc's, or updated pc's, we need more tax dollars to help them out.

I never said it should be free, that guy is obviously a True Whacko Liberal.

Internet is a resource just like water, electric etc and should be paid for accordingly not exhorbantly and haphazardly as it is now.

 

[nCred]

We have government subsidized broadband here in Sweden, that´s why you can get 10 mbit FD for $30 a month, and one ISP is starting to offer 1 Gbit connections for $125 a month... I think most people here thinks it´s been worth it.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: eigen
Just as long as I dont have to pay.
Community Owned Community used community paid for.Sounds okay.:thumbsup:

My "hometown" has community owned/privided utilities including Internet and phone service. It's pretty cool because each house can have a fiber line run to it and that's their "communication" source. Phone, "cable" TV, and internet all from one line. It's pretty inexpensive too - I've seen my Grandma's bills. Ofcourse it's a small rural town but I know it's not the only one who has that type of setup.

CsG

:shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

Why am I not surprised by the Hypocracy :roll:

Eh? What hypocrisy? Those people weren't served by those big bad EVAL companies you rant against and found their own way to "solve" the problem. However, their solution creates other potential problems. IE - no choice. They've pretty much locked out outside utilities and media services and made it "gov't" run. On a small scale this works as people won't bitch unless their service sucks or it gets too expensive. However on a wide scale this would not work because the overhead and beauracracy would bankrupt that system - because that's the nature of our current gov't.

So exactly what are you bleating about then? One small rural community did it -but those outside that little municipality are screwed due to the same thing. A farmer a few miles out of town does not have a fiber line - but the town people do. A community solved a problem they had - which is much more than I can say for you because they acted on and solved a problem instead of whining.

CsG

If you've ever bothered to read my posts I went up against the Monolith Monopoly and won, getting High Speed to a subdivision of 88 normal houses when the Telco had no intention of ever providing the service but ran the service right by down the road 3 miles to the Multi-Millionaire homes.

"Eh? What hypocrisy?"

Not surprised you don't see the Hypocracy, there is a ton of stuff the FLL club "doesn't see".

All I can do is shake my head. 50.9% of America and growing is too far gone to even realize.

You have failed to show any hypocrisy - all you've done is bleat on and on against the EVAL companies. This town found a solution - I suggest you find solutions instead of just whining.

Good for you - you won. Stop bitching and offer solutions.

I agree with AntaresVI - The company can run service where they wish. Highspeed is no feasable to ever rural customer if they have a phone line. You of all people should realize that. There are line length limits and other issues. Corporations do NOT have to offer highspeed services to people that do will not be profitable - period.

CsG

 

[shrumpage]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: eigen

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: eigen
Just as long as I dont have to pay.
Community Owned Community used community paid for.Sounds okay.:thumbsup:

My "hometown" has community owned/privided utilities including Internet and phone service. It's pretty cool because each house can have a fiber line run to it and that's their "communication" source. Phone, "cable" TV, and internet all from one line. It's pretty inexpensive too - I've seen my Grandma's bills. Ofcourse it's a small rural town but I know it's not the only one who has that type of setup.

CsG

:shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

Why am I not surprised by the Hypocracy :roll:

Eh? What hypocrisy? Those people weren't served by those big bad EVAL companies you rant against and found their own way to "solve" the problem. However, their solution creates other potential problems. IE - no choice. They've pretty much locked out outside utilities and media services and made it "gov't" run. On a small scale this works as people won't bitch unless their service sucks or it gets too expensive. However on a wide scale this would not work because the overhead and beauracracy would bankrupt that system - because that's the nature of our current gov't.

So exactly what are you bleating about then? One small rural community did it -but those outside that little municipality are screwed due to the same thing. A farmer a few miles out of town does not have a fiber line - but the town people do. A community solved a problem they had - which is much more than I can say for you because they acted on and solved a problem instead of whining.

CsG

If you've ever bothered to read my posts I went up against the Monolith Monopoly and won, getting High Speed to a subdivision of 88 normal houses when the Telco had no intention of ever providing the service but ran the service right by down the road 3 miles to the Multi-Millionaire homes.

"Eh? What hypocrisy?"

Not surprised you don't see the Hypocracy, there is a ton of stuff the FLL club "doesn't see".

All I can do is shake my head. 50.9% of America and growing is too far gone to even realize.

Thats not really the issue being disputed.In your case you were in the right,Its obvious you live in a suburban area, and so should prolly expect High speed service. but that doesnt really mean much when you are dealing with the farmer that live 20 miles away from the nearest podunk town. My mom lives 25 miles away from anyone with a highspeed connection rich or not.

The farmer have a phone???

If he has a phone, he can have High Speed inexpensively, the price of the technology has come down so much it is as cheap as a toaster on a comparitive scale.

Excuses Excuses. That's why the U.S. is just Wusses now and happy to be Wusses.

Layer 8 Error

You don't seem to have a good grasp on tech, especially when it comes to delivary.

If a person has a phone he can have "high speed inexpensively" Have you tried to cram high speed data through good old POTS? Are you familar with the limitations of old switchs? Distances from the CO?

As i recall from another thread you said the way to solve rural america high speed internet access problem is using that "american can do!" With out the "greed."

Some one just outlined a solution that was done by american's with out the greed motive to provide service to a rural town - and you yell hypocrisy!

You can't have trust Telco's to provide service to rural areas.

and you can't use that patanted "american can do" you demanded about-

so once again - What is your solution?

I also notice you totaled ignored my challenge in a simular thread that you started.

 

[MoFunk]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: MoFunk
Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of high speed porn action. If you can't afford high speed internet TOUGH. Why they hell should I have more taxes taken out of my check so someone could have high speed internet. That is just pathetic.

"The Internet ... is a true global public utility," said Jeffrey Chester, director of the Center for Digital Democracy, an advocate for consumer rights online. "We should be trying to provide it for free."

Free for who? Someone has to foot the bill. And I can see it now, these people who now have internet access do not have pc's, or updated pc's, we need more tax dollars to help them out.

I never said it should be free, that guy is obviously a True Whacko Liberal.

Internet is a resource just like water, electric etc and should be paid for accordingly not exhorbantly and haphazardly as it is now.

I agree to a point, but when you state that the internet is a resource like water and electricity, I would LOVE to see my electric bill be the same price as my DSL. Electricity is DAMN EXPENSIVE where I live. DSL costs me $30 a month. Right now SBC has basic DSL for $19.95. How much cheaper does it need to get?

On a side note, the fact that 95% of my clients are ones that have DSL and got zapped with a ton of spyware, viruses, torjans etc. this may be a good idea. The more non-computer savy people with high speed internet will probably be more business for me.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: nCred
We have government subsidized broadband here in Sweden, that´s why you can get 10 mbit FD for $30 a month, and one ISP is starting to offer 1 Gbit connections for $125 a month... I think most people here thinks it´s been worth it.

Well that's why Sweden is in the Top 5 of HS Internet Access while the U.S. is falling deep into the 20's and dropping.

Sweden is a mutt, you guys have a lot of other Political Issues including towing the line for the Bush Regime even as recently as just passing a similar Bush Ban on Stem Cell Research.

Too bad, Sweden had so much promise.

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: nCred
We have government subsidized broadband here in Sweden, that´s why you can get 10 mbit FD for $30 a month, and one ISP is starting to offer 1 Gbit connections for $125 a month... I think most people here thinks it´s been worth it.

Well that's why Sweden is in the Top 5 of HS Internet Access while the U.S. is falling deep into the 20's and dropping.

Sweden is a mutt, you guys have a lot of other Political Issues including towing the line for the Bush Regime even as recently as just passing a similar Bush Ban on Stem Cell Research.

Too bad, Sweden had so much promise.

Hmm right, and the USA is about 20 times the size of Sweden.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

I agree with AntaresVI - The company can run service where they wish. Highspeed is no feasable to ever rural customer if they have a phone line. You of all people should realize that. There are line length limits and other issues. Corporations do NOT have to offer highspeed services to people that do will not be profitable - period.

Originally posted by: shrumpage
Layer 8 Error

You don't seem to have a good grasp on tech, especially when it comes to delivary.

If a person has a phone he can have "high speed inexpensively" Have you tried to cram high speed data through good old POTS? Are you familar with the limitations of old switchs? Distances from the CO?

As i recall from another thread you said the way to solve rural america high speed internet access problem is using that "american can do!" With out the "greed."

Some one just outlined a solution that was done by american's with out the greed motive to provide service to a rural town - and you yell hypocrisy!

You can't have trust Telco's to provide service to rural areas.

and you can't use that patanted "american can do" you demanded about-

so once again - What is your solution?

I also notice you totaled ignored my challenge in a simular thread that you started.

Bull on the Layer 8 error.

I have a lot more "History" with HS over copper than you guys realize. I was one of the first to demonstrate working 56K (before 3Com claimed it). I also was the first to demonstrate DSL that met the 6 Meg DL standard (I was on design Team for the Alcatel 1000 DSL Modem that became the Worldwide standard).

It's 110% Political and NOT a Technology issue, period. Just like we have seen Gas Prices have very little to do with the going rate of the price per barrel. Again 110% Political BS there too.

Sheep will never see it or admit to it. So sad.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: nCred
We have government subsidized broadband here in Sweden, that´s why you can get 10 mbit FD for $30 a month, and one ISP is starting to offer 1 Gbit connections for $125 a month... I think most people here thinks it´s been worth it.

Well that's why Sweden is in the Top 5 of HS Internet Access while the U.S. is falling deep into the 20's and dropping.

Sweden is a mutt, you guys have a lot of other Political Issues including towing the line for the Bush Regime even as recently as just passing a similar Bush Ban on Stem Cell Research.

Too bad, Sweden had so much promise.

Hmm right, and the USA is about 20 times the size of Sweden.

ok... im not sure what that has to do with anything...

How bout this, we have 30 times the economic wealth, we should be able to afford this.

 

[nCred]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: nCred
We have government subsidized broadband here in Sweden, that´s why you can get 10 mbit FD for $30 a month, and one ISP is starting to offer 1 Gbit connections for $125 a month... I think most people here thinks it´s been worth it.

Well that's why Sweden is in the Top 5 of HS Internet Access while the U.S. is falling deep into the 20's and dropping.

Sweden is a mutt, you guys have a lot of other Political Issues including towing the line for the Bush Regime even as recently as just passing a similar Bush Ban on Stem Cell Research.

Too bad, Sweden had so much promise.

ummm... Stem cell research is not banned, cloning humans to get the stem cells is forbidden, and also, not every decision a country takes is based on the US stance on the issue.

 

[shrumpage]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

I agree with AntaresVI - The company can run service where they wish. Highspeed is no feasable to ever rural customer if they have a phone line. You of all people should realize that. There are line length limits and other issues. Corporations do NOT have to offer highspeed services to people that do will not be profitable - period.

Originally posted by: shrumpage
Layer 8 Error

You don't seem to have a good grasp on tech, especially when it comes to delivary.

If a person has a phone he can have "high speed inexpensively" Have you tried to cram high speed data through good old POTS? Are you familar with the limitations of old switchs? Distances from the CO?

As i recall from another thread you said the way to solve rural america high speed internet access problem is using that "american can do!" With out the "greed."

Some one just outlined a solution that was done by american's with out the greed motive to provide service to a rural town - and you yell hypocrisy!

You can't have trust Telco's to provide service to rural areas.

and you can't use that patanted "american can do" you demanded about-

so once again - What is your solution?

I also notice you totaled ignored my challenge in a simular thread that you started.

Bull on the Layer 8 error.

I have a lot more "History" with HS over copper than you guys realize. I was one of the first to demonstrate working 56K (before 3Com claimed it). I also was the first to demonstrate DSL that met the 6 Meg DL standard (I was on design Team for the Alcatel 1000 DSL Modem that became the Worldwide standard).

It's 110% Political and NOT a Technology issue, period. Just like we have seen Gas Prices have very little to do with the going rate of the price per barrel. Again 110% Political BS there too.

Sheep will never see it or admit to it. So sad.

once agian you fall in to name calling, while dodging the questions.

I called you on a blantant contridiction: Slam big telcos for not providing rural high speed internet service, someone asks what your solution is and all you say is "american' can Do without the coperate greed." Now you slam people who provide high speed internet service at cost - zero profit.

So which is it?

Since you are knowledge about HS over copper. Congrats on getting 56k working over copper - questions though - was it working at the theoritical max 56k? in a real world sistuation. Or was the connection slower around 53k, or 48k?

I'm still curious how you pump High Speed internet through a crappy POTS system. Can you name some techs? maybe provide some links, maybe a white paper? something besides name calling