Fast and Furious Hullaballoo -- Sound and Fury Signifying Nothing?

[schneiderguy]

Actually the Constitution is never as simple as some state. First Amendment, has limitations and not all speech or print is protected. There's a reason things like slander, libel, and speech meant to insight violence or panic are not protected.

The right to free speech covers everything that does not directly harm others.

If you wanted to apply this to firearms and the 2nd Amendment, you have the right to keep and bear any firearm as long as you don't shoot someone with it, or use it to coerce them in some way.

Right to bear arms, this is the only Constitutional Amendment where to read it as the GOP you have to ignore fully half of the written amendment.

Please tell us what words you've having problems understanding. We'd love to break it down into smaller words that you can understand.

Or you can always use the "Simple English" feature of Wikipedia:

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

In addition it's not legal for me to own a nuclear weapon, but that's an armament.

Bombs are ordinance, not armament.

Plus the word infringe means to prevent, not to regulate or limit. Thus your right to bear arms is only infringed if you're completely denied not if the guns you're allowed to own are limited.

in·fringe /inˈfrinj/ Verb:

1. Actively break the terms of (a law, agreement, etc.): "infringe a copyright".
2. Act so as to limit or undermine (something); encroach on: "infringe on his privacy".

Right to vote, guaranteed in the Constitution, except now in many states unless you have a state issued identification that has been made increasingly hard to obtain. And if you're unable to obtain it for even a fully valid reason, oh well too bad your rights are moot.

You have to show an ID to buy a gun. What's your point?

 

[schneiderguy]

are you fucking retarded?

It's kind of ironic, considering that I believe he was the one that had the "hurr Republicans are retarded" "joke" in his signature until the big bad mods made him take it out.

 

[sMiLeYz]

Automatic weapons are controlled by federal law, not state law. But please continue your laughably transparent slavish water carrying, 'cause we all know a few hundred dead Mexicans is an acceptable price to push an anti-gun proggie agenda.

My best friend moved to Mesa, AZ and bought a soviet style AK-47 just this week. Dealer didn't even ask for ID. Have you ever been to Arizona? Have you heard about the expiration of the Assault rifle ban? Please kindly stfu if you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[schneiderguy]

My best friend moved to Mesa, AZ and bought a soviet style AK-47 just this week. Dealer didn't even ask for ID. Have you ever been to Arizona? Have you heard about the expiration of the Assault rifle ban? Please kindly stfu if you don't know what you're talking about.

1. Unless the dealer broke Federal law he made your friend show ID and go through a background check.

2. The "soviet style AK-47" your friend bought was most likely a Romanian semiautomatic AK/M variant. Fully automatic AK47 pattern rifles were never imported into the country AFAIK. The only ones legally in the US would be from soldiers bringing them back from Korea.

3. There was never an "assault rifle ban".

tl;dr stop posting before you make yourself look even more idiotic.

 

[sMiLeYz]

1. Unless the dealer broke Federal law he made your friend show ID and go through a background check.

2. The "soviet style AK-47" your friend bought was most likely a Romanian semiautomatic AK/M variant. Fully automatic AK47 pattern rifles were never imported into the country AFAIK. The only ones legally in the US would be from soldiers bringing them back from Korea.

3. There was never an "assault rifle ban".

tl;dr stop posting before you make yourself look even more idiotic.

Buy a clue dude...

http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/27/fast-and-furious-truth/

There are no waiting periods and no need for permits, and buyers are allowed to resell the guns. "In Arizona," says Voth, "someone buying three guns is like someone buying a sandwich."

I don't know if you know how the real world works or not, but yes the dealer was probably breaking federal law... whos going to arrest him when EVERYONE does it?

 

[monovillage]

You can even see here where the Obamatron lied about Fast and Furious.

Asked about the Fast and Furious program at the Univision forum on Thursday, President Obama falsely claimed that the program began under President George W. Bush.

“I think it’s important for us to understand that the Fast and Furious program was a field-initiated program begun under the previous administration,” the president said. “When Eric Holder found out about it, he discontinued it. We assigned a inspector general to do a thorough report that was just issued, confirming that in fact Eric Holder did not know about this, that he took prompt action and the people who did initiate this were held accountable.”

In actuality, the Fast and Furious program was started in October 2009, nine months into the Obama presidency.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...gram-begun-under-the-previous-administration/

 

[monovillage]

Buy a clue dude...

http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/27/fast-and-furious-truth/



I don't know if you know how the real world works or not, but yes the dealer was probably breaking federal law... whos going to arrest him when EVERYONE does it?

The Feds will arrest him. Duh.

 

[schneiderguy]

There are no waiting periods

Just like a majority of states.

no need for permits

The only state that you need a permit to buy a gun is Illinois.

buyers are allowed to resell the guns.

Just like...every other state in the union? :hmm:

I don't know if you know how the real world works or not, but yes the dealer was probably breaking federal law... whos going to arrest him when EVERYONE does it?

I don't know if you've ever set foot inside a gun shop before. They're HIGHLY regulated by the ATF. Even a small paperwork error can get them shut down.

I've purchased at least 10 guns in my life and I've had to show an ID every single time.

 

[Budmantom]

Am I the only one who thinks that partisans are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill with the Fast and Furious program?

2000 firearms...big deal! That's what, a tiny little fraction of a percent of the number of guns that the drug dealers have?

If the drug dealers had never received the 2000 guns, would they have been able to purchase them from other sources?

When the American agent was killed by one of those guns, would the result have been any different without the Fast and Furious program? Would the drug thugs have instead been armed with slingshots or bows-and-arrows? Give me a break!

The hullaballou over the Fast and Furious program seems like sound an fury signifying nothing.

Yeah a border patrol agent and a few hundred Mexican were killed, what's the big deal, just because the government preaches oversight and accountability who are we to expect it from them.

The bigger picture is that they were doing it to abolish the second amendment and keep the guns out of our hands, we should be appreciative of their efforts.

 

[Budmantom]

I find it puzzling that an executive can have 14 people under his supervision recommended for punishment and he escapes blameless.

WTH is Holders job if not supervising his underlings and running his depts?

Fern

Holder has been too busy appointing Obama donor to investigate White House leaks, he can't be responsible for everything, the buck doesn't stop with him.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Yeah a border patrol agent and a few hundred Mexican were killed, what's the big deal, just because the government preaches oversight and accountability who are we to expect it from them.

You completely missed the point. The point was--would they have been killed anyway? When the Mexican drug gangs attacked--would they have only been armed with knives, slingshots, and bows-and-arrows if it were not for the Fast and Furious program?

 

[xj0hnx]

However, the Assault Weapons Ban has been allowed to expire and in the absence of that States have determined their own laws in regards to the "military style" weapons which are part of this discussion.

Federal law does still prohibit fully automatic weapons to the general public but there is now a lot of leeway with civilian versions of military firearms now.

The AWB has never had anything to do with automatic weapons, it expiring had nothing to do with automatic weapons. Federal law does not prohibit automatic weapons, it simply requires greater controls on them. Why do people that are clueless insist on talking?

 

[xj0hnx]

My best friend moved to Mesa, AZ and bought a soviet style AK-47 just this week. Dealer didn't even ask for ID. Have you ever been to Arizona? Have you heard about the expiration of the Assault rifle ban? Please kindly stfu if you don't know what you're talking about.

Then your bff didn't buy his "soviet style AK-47" in a gun shop. You shouldn't tell people to stfu when you are the one either lying, or misinformed.

 

[xj0hnx]

1. Unless the dealer broke Federal law he made your friend show ID and go through a background check.

2. The "soviet style AK-47" your friend bought was most likely a Romanian semiautomatic AK/M variant. Fully automatic AK47 pattern rifles were never imported into the country AFAIK. The only ones legally in the US would be from soldiers bringing them back from Korea.

3. There was never an "assault rifle ban".

tl;dr stop posting before you make yourself look even more idiotic.

There were a few brought in before 1986.