Fascinating Article On What It's Like To Be A Cop In Philadelphia

[Six]

You guys will be surprise how many times the law gets relaxed when the "but what will my kids do?" excuse gets used.

But if you're a single male offender...."the law is the law."

 

[PimpJuice]

I wasn't in the court, I didn't hear all the details.

The judge was, and he made a decision based on all the facts.

Idiots need to stop thinking they know more than the judge who's ACTUALLY THERE.

I'd love to kick you in the face and see if you will simply accept an apology. I'm sure you would accept though, so you can get back to your drug habit and neglecting of kids.

 

[Cuda1447]

Every idiot cop in the world thinks judges are too soft.

Increasing sentences does absolutly nothing to reduce crime.

According to science, punishment is more effective when it is severe at first. When punishment starts off easy and then gets severe, it lessens the effectiveness of that punishment.

Psych. studies.

 

[Numenorean]

Wow, are you really that dumb?

If executing people doesn't affect their behaviour, what will?

Executing people will certainly affect their behavior. Whatever their bad behavior, they certainly won't be doing it anymore after being executed.

 

[Beev]

Our justice system is far too soft. Eye for an eye absolutely would work in some situations, and the death penalty should be far more common and a much faster and cheaper process.

It's all about basic human rights, when too many people don't deserve them.

 

[Perknose]

Quote #3 sounds more like a problem of anti-male sexism in the courts than anything.

You are talking out of your ass. Not one of you seems to be aware of the underlying problem.

The jails are full to their legal capacity. Deciding who to incarcerate, then, become triage of a sort. Putting the mother of three in jail for "merely" kicking an officer in the face takes a place in jail better occupied by a more violent and habitual criminal who sells drugs and is armed and will use that weapon eventually.

Plus, her three kids then go into an already criminally overburdened social welfare system.

It sucks, but the judge did the best he could UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES.

 

[Vette73]

Our justice system is far too soft. Eye for an eye absolutely would work in some situations, and the death penalty should be far more common and a much faster and cheaper process.

It's all about basic human rights, when too many people don't deserve them.

Yea I am sure the hundreds of people that were on death row yet proven innocent later wished it was faster. :hmm:

 

[ichy]

If executing people doesn't affect their behaviour, what will?

Judging by Singapore's hanging rate and crime rate I'd say that executing people DOES affect their behavior.

 

[Beev]

Yea I am sure the hundreds of people that were on death row yet proven innocent later wished it was faster. :hmm:

/shrug. "Casualties of war"

It doesn't happen that often. And I'm not implying the conviction system doesn't need an overhaul, too. But if someone is proven to be death row material then the process isn't fast enough.

 

[0roo0roo]

dem judges, so soft.

 

[CLite]

/shrug. "Casualties of war"

It doesn't happen that often. And I'm not implying the conviction system doesn't need an overhaul, too. But if someone is proven to be death row material then the process isn't fast enough.

Ok, you just earned the "biggest douchebag of the boards" award, quite an achievement considering the huge quantity of trolls. I'm sure if you had a loved one falsely accused and executed you would just say it's a casualty of war.

 

[Vette73]

Hard to feel bad for the idiot as he equates a rude person at the DMV as the same thing as a cop smacking you in the mouth.

"You might catch a cop on a bad day, he’s got problems at home, and here you are being a knucklehead a little bit, and you’re not listening to him. You might get gripped up, or you might get smacked in the mouth. But when you deal with someone who is being a bitch at the DMV, that doesn’t make the news."

 

[ichy]

I did a ride-along once with a friend of mine who's a cop in DC, it was a pretty interesting experience. Not all that intense (it was the first really cold night of the year so most of the hoodlums stayed indoors) but a real eye-opener. One thing this article didn't mention are the mountains of paperwork that are part of police work. If we could figure out how to trim down or streamline the paperwork that police officers have to do it would be the equivalent of putting an extra 20 or 30% more cops on the street.

 

[Deeko]

Hard to feel bad for the idiot as he equates a rude person at the DMV as the same thing as a cop smacking you in the mouth.

"You might catch a cop on a bad day, he’s got problems at home, and here you are being a knucklehead a little bit, and you’re not listening to him. You might get gripped up, or you might get smacked in the mouth. But when you deal with someone who is being a bitch at the DMV, that doesn’t make the news."

Yea, but the person being a bitch at the DMV isn't dealing with someone breaking the law. Of course the situation is different, but his point is valid enough. A guy might have just come from a drug bust, and then some ass starts giving him crap and insulting him or resisting when he gets pulled over for speeding or committing some other crime. What response do you expect?

As he said, there are certainly bad cops, for the most part they do not get NEAR the respect they deserve.

 

[FDF12389]

dem judges, so soft.

War on drugs ^

 

[Vette73]

Yea, but the person being a bitch at the DMV isn't dealing with someone breaking the law. Of course the situation is different, but his point is valid enough. A guy might have just come from a drug bust, and then some ass starts giving him crap and insulting him or resisting when he gets pulled over for speeding or committing some other crime. What response do you expect?

As he said, there are certainly bad cops, for the most part they do not get NEAR the respect they deserve.

No its not.
His point is that a cop should be able to attack you because someone at the DMV was rude to you and does not make the news.

And he did not say "when I am dealing with a criminal..." he said cop has bad day and smacks you. He never said the person he was hitting broke the law. Let alone last I checked inocent until proven guilty.

 

[Deeko]

No its not.
His point is that a cop should be able to attack you because someone at the DMV was rude to you and does not make the news.

And he did not say "when I am dealing with a criminal..." he said cop has bad day and smacks you. He never said the person he was hitting broke the law. Let alone last I checked inocent until proven guilty.

See, no, none of what you just posted is at all in the article or what he said. Its quite clear that you want to dislike the guy, and therefore, there is no reason to continue discussing the matter with the likes of you.

 

[Beev]

Ok, you just earned the "biggest douchebag of the boards" award, quite an achievement considering the huge quantity of trolls. I'm sure if you had a loved one falsely accused and executed you would just say it's a casualty of war.

I'm sorry I don't care about everyone.

And if someone I liked got arrested for a death penalty offense I would do my own detective work to prove/disprove it. Everyone is capable of doing terrible things, and even expedited the death penalty process would take at least a month. Plenty of time for me to be a gumshoe. If I can't prove their innocence in a month then they probably did it.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

This is all just my opinion anyway, not like it matters. I have no plans to be in any type of leadership position where I could decide someone's fate .

 

[Aikouka]

I don't see him asking for stiffer sentencing - I see his issue being the fact that, quite often, people are deemed not guilty by a judge and see no consequences at all.

Would you not be a bit upset if someone kicked you in the face and then was found not guilty because she was a single mom with a drug habit?

I'd personally prefer seeing the justice system trying to truly make people better rather than just using jail as a determent. The fact that she's an addict and has kids bothers me a bit. We don't have enough facts, but it's possible that her addiction is a detriment to her children.

As for consequences for specifically hitting the cop, I think that would depend on whether she purposely attacked the cop or if the cop took a stray hit. In regard to the latter, I'm not sure what should happen in that case. I mean, when you screw up, you do what you can to make up for it. What can the woman do to help out the cop that she injured?

Although... I'm probably too idealistic in this regard.

 

[Exterous]

And he did not say "when I am dealing with a criminal..." he said cop has bad day and smacks you. He never said the person he was hitting broke the law. Let alone last I checked inocent until proven guilty.

Actually he said:

You might catch a cop on a bad day, he’s got problems at home, and here you are being a knucklehead a little bit, and you’re not listening to him. You might get gripped up, or you might get smacked in the mouth. But when you deal with someone who is being a bitch at the DMV, that doesn’t make the news

We do not know what circumstances the person in question would need to be listening to the officer. For all we know 'being a knucklehead a little bit' could refer to a minor crime in such a high crime area.

 

[Vette73]

Actually he said:



We do not know what circumstances the person in question would need to be listening to the officer. For all we know 'being a knucklehead a little bit' could refer to a minor crime in such a high crime area.

And? It still does not give him the right to attack someone. I can flip him the bird and tell call him a asshole and be in my rights to do so.

 

[ShawnD1]

Increasing sentences does absolutly nothing to reduce crime.

!?!?!?
Suppose they catch a guy like Jeffry Dahmer (serial killer). They can either lock him up for 30 days, or they can lock him up for 30 years. Which one makes the community safer? Are you arguing that releasing him after 30 days is the same as releasing him after 30 years?


While lots of people don't really like the police, I think most people understand why the cops are such assholes all the time. Being friendly doesn't work as often.

 

[Vette73]

See, no, none of what you just posted is at all in the article or what he said. Its quite clear that you want to dislike the guy, and therefore, there is no reason to continue discussing the matter with the likes of you.

"You might catch a cop on a bad day, he’s got problems at home, and here you are being a knucklehead a little bit, and you’re not listening to him. You might get gripped up, or you might get smacked in the mouth. But when you deal with someone who is being a bitch at the DMV, that doesn’t make the news."


Yea he never compared a cop attacking someone to a DMV employee being a "bitch". Yep never said it. :hmm:

 

[Perknose]

I don't see him asking for stiffer sentencing - I see his issue being the fact that, quite often, people are deemed not guilty by a judge and see no consequences at all.

Would you not be a bit upset if someone kicked you in the face and then was found not guilty because she was a single mom with a drug habit?

And I don't see anything about her being deemed not guilty, which I would bet good money she was not!

She was likely given a suspended sentence with probation, because the Philly jails are and long have been AT FULL CAPACITY, and there is no money to build more.

I addressed the exact root of the problem here, but nobody seems to have noticed.

Furthermore, please practice some intelligent READING COMPREHENSION, folks:

I got kicked in the face, I was involved in a fight outside of a bar, and a girl booted me right in the face and split it open. In court the judge asks me if I’ll accept an apology from the defendant. I said, “In lieu of what?” Judge says, “She has a drug addiction and has three kids at home.” I said, “Your honor, number one – I will not accept an apology; and number two – you already made up your mind.” He said, “That’s right, I did.” And she got off. And that’s why people act the way they do. They see their friends get off for shooting 4 people, so why the fuck not? They think, “Dude looks at me wrong I’m going to put one in his face.”

In this particular case, it is unclear whether or not the cop was the aggressor in the fight, and also whether of not he was off duty and not in uniform. Note your hearing it from his side, and he doesn't say, "I tried to break up a fight" or "while on duty I . . ."

That drug addicted woman could have been HIS baby mommy, for all we know!

I'm not saying there isn't a huge problem with people who should be in jail not being. It's just not one of you seem to realize the exact problem WHY.

Educate yourselves, guys. You simply can't lay this off on the judges!

Read Post #31!

 

[soulcougher73]

"And she got off. And that’s why people act the way they do."

Err, no, it's not. Criminals arn't thinking of the consequences when they commit crimes.

They probably would if every crime got the death penalty. Stealing, car jacking, any type of murder other than self defence.