Farmers in Iraq will be forced to buy seeds instead of using their own

[Sysbuilder05]

http://www.grain.org/articles/?id=6

Still don't think the Iraq invasion was over money,then read the article. Iraqi farmers will have to buy seeds from Monsanto,Dow and others instead of using their own. My God....

 

[AFB]

Originally posted by: Sysbuilder05
http://www.grain.org/articles/?id=6

Still don't think the Iraq invasion was over money,then read the article. Iraqi farmers will have to buy seeds from Monsanto,Dow and others instead of using their own. My God....

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[Drift3r]

The grain tax.

 

[Infohawk]

This is great for American agribusiness...

 

[Moonbeam]

A one crop world will be easy to destroy. One virus will take all. But what do I care as long as I got my Wheaties.

 

[miketheidiot]

and how exactly are they supposed to be able to buy this seed?

 

[magomago]

Lord....that is horrible. The pocketbook is more important than anything else. Recently I've been thinking that maybe corporations should have other obligations beyond maximizing profit...

and how exactly are they supposed to be able to buy this seed?

I think thats the point. Bankrupt all the farmer, and allow USA agribusiness (not even Iraqi) to come in and dominate.

 

[43st]

Good article. Thanks.

 

[Infohawk]

How are the neocons going to spin this? :-/

 

[EagleKeeper]

Article seems to indicate that special breed seeds will be protected. It does not seem to state that existing seeds are outlawed.

New varieties that are introduced have to meet certain specifications and the ownership is protected.

Also, this law can be repealed by the Iraqi government.

 

[ReiAyanami]

NeoConAgra will provide terrorist-resistant seeds

if you invest in the bush administration, you shall reap the returns (and tax free, might i add)

 

[CADsortaGUY]

:roll: What a bunch of tripe. I did some reading on this situations and kooks are spouting alot about things they don't know about.

Civil Affairs Soldiers Deliver Seeds to Iraqi Farmers

...Supplies included certified seeds for wheat, corn and maize; urea and other fertilizers; and insecticides and herbicides. While seeds aren't always the hardest things to come by for farmers, the seed given by the agriculture team provides a wider gene pool for the plants.

?Most Iraqi farmers can grow their own seed, but they have been doing it so long that the germination is poor,? Cole said.

...

...?The farmers have requested assistance with diseases in their vegetables, so our intent is to work with Texas A&M to have their produce disease specialist to assist us in October.?

With these improvements, the agriculture team and civil affairs hope to help out the people of Al Rashid starting at the lowest level possible.

?We're trying our hardest to see that the seed is distributed to the individual farmers,? Rinehart said. ?If we get it to the individuals who need it the most, we know they will appreciate it and use it, and hopefully that will help bring more stability to the local economy.?

So do we have any germination experts here?

Also - has anyone actually read the dasm law? ...didn't think so.

Section 66 - "B. Farmers shall be prohibited from re-using seeds of protected varieties or any
variety mentioned in items 1 and 2 of paragraph (C) of Article 14 of this
Chapter.?"
So how exactly is this different from what the rest of the world does? If the Iraqis want to use and reuse their own seed -they may. Infact they will be able to apply for patent on their own strains for use/distribution -they just can't reuse "protected" seed.

Is there anything you conspiracy mongers won't try to spin negatively?

CsG

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
:roll: What a bunch of tripe. I did some reading on this situations and kooks are spouting alot about things they don't know about.

Civil Affairs Soldiers Deliver Seeds to Iraqi Farmers

...Supplies included certified seeds for wheat, corn and maize; urea and other fertilizers; and insecticides and herbicides. While seeds aren't always the hardest things to come by for farmers, the seed given by the agriculture team provides a wider gene pool for the plants.

?Most Iraqi farmers can grow their own seed, but they have been doing it so long that the germination is poor,? Cole said.

...

...?The farmers have requested assistance with diseases in their vegetables, so our intent is to work with Texas A&M to have their produce disease specialist to assist us in October.?

With these improvements, the agriculture team and civil affairs hope to help out the people of Al Rashid starting at the lowest level possible.

?We're trying our hardest to see that the seed is distributed to the individual farmers,? Rinehart said. ?If we get it to the individuals who need it the most, we know they will appreciate it and use it, and hopefully that will help bring more stability to the local economy.?

So do we have any germination experts here?

Also - has anyone actually read the dasm law? ...didn't think so.

Section 66 - "B. Farmers shall be prohibited from re-using seeds of protected varieties or any
variety mentioned in items 1 and 2 of paragraph (C) of Article 14 of this
Chapter.?"
So how exactly is this different from what the rest of the world does? If the Iraqis want to use and reuse their own seed -they may. Infact they will be able to apply for patent on their own strains for use/distribution -they just can't reuse "protected" seed.

Is there anything you conspiracy mongers won't try to spin negatively?

CsG

So, if when the native gene pool gets cross pollinated and a Monsanto gene gets inserted into native stock will you side with the Iraqis or Monsanto in the law suit to keep Iraqis from using their seeds?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
:roll: What a bunch of tripe. I did some reading on this situations and kooks are spouting alot about things they don't know about.

Civil Affairs Soldiers Deliver Seeds to Iraqi Farmers

...Supplies included certified seeds for wheat, corn and maize; urea and other fertilizers; and insecticides and herbicides. While seeds aren't always the hardest things to come by for farmers, the seed given by the agriculture team provides a wider gene pool for the plants.

?Most Iraqi farmers can grow their own seed, but they have been doing it so long that the germination is poor,? Cole said.

...

...?The farmers have requested assistance with diseases in their vegetables, so our intent is to work with Texas A&M to have their produce disease specialist to assist us in October.?

With these improvements, the agriculture team and civil affairs hope to help out the people of Al Rashid starting at the lowest level possible.

?We're trying our hardest to see that the seed is distributed to the individual farmers,? Rinehart said. ?If we get it to the individuals who need it the most, we know they will appreciate it and use it, and hopefully that will help bring more stability to the local economy.?

So do we have any germination experts here?

Also - has anyone actually read the dasm law? ...didn't think so.

Section 66 - "B. Farmers shall be prohibited from re-using seeds of protected varieties or any
variety mentioned in items 1 and 2 of paragraph (C) of Article 14 of this
Chapter.?"
So how exactly is this different from what the rest of the world does? If the Iraqis want to use and reuse their own seed -they may. Infact they will be able to apply for patent on their own strains for use/distribution -they just can't reuse "protected" seed.

Is there anything you conspiracy mongers won't try to spin negatively?

CsG

So, if when the native gene pool gets cross pollinated and a Monsanto gene gets inserted into native stock will you side with the Iraqis or Monsanto in the law suit to keep Iraqis from using their seeds?

And just how is such cross-poll dealt with in our heavily regulated US grain market? Do you know? Or are you just tossing that out to further the conspiracy theory that "Big Grain" is trying to screw Iraqis?

CsG

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
So, if when the native gene pool gets cross pollinated and a Monsanto gene gets inserted into native stock will you side with the Iraqis or Monsanto in the law suit to keep Iraqis from using their seeds?

I suspect you're going to cite the one Canadian case to support this argument. The problem is why the farmer CLAIMED that the crop had the Monsanto seed due to cross polination, but the court didn't buy it and felt the farmer had deliberate scavenged to seeds. The other issue has not actually been established in court as yet.

 

[sixone]

Originally posted by: Sysbuilder05
http://www.grain.org/articles/?id=6

Still don't think the Iraq invasion was over money,then read the article. Iraqi farmers will have to buy seeds from Monsanto,Dow and others instead of using their own. My God....

This may be new in Iraq, but it has been happening right here in the good old US of A for years now. I'm married to a farmer, so I have first-hand experience.

Anyone trying to spin this as part of the we're-raping-Iraq mantra is either demonstrating their ignorance or their total disregard for facts.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
:roll: What a bunch of tripe. I did some reading on this situations and kooks are spouting alot about things they don't know about.

Civil Affairs Soldiers Deliver Seeds to Iraqi Farmers

...Supplies included certified seeds for wheat, corn and maize; urea and other fertilizers; and insecticides and herbicides. While seeds aren't always the hardest things to come by for farmers, the seed given by the agriculture team provides a wider gene pool for the plants.

?Most Iraqi farmers can grow their own seed, but they have been doing it so long that the germination is poor,? Cole said.

...

...?The farmers have requested assistance with diseases in their vegetables, so our intent is to work with Texas A&M to have their produce disease specialist to assist us in October.?

With these improvements, the agriculture team and civil affairs hope to help out the people of Al Rashid starting at the lowest level possible.

?We're trying our hardest to see that the seed is distributed to the individual farmers,? Rinehart said. ?If we get it to the individuals who need it the most, we know they will appreciate it and use it, and hopefully that will help bring more stability to the local economy.?

So do we have any germination experts here?

Also - has anyone actually read the dasm law? ...didn't think so.

Section 66 - "B. Farmers shall be prohibited from re-using seeds of protected varieties or any
variety mentioned in items 1 and 2 of paragraph (C) of Article 14 of this
Chapter.?"
So how exactly is this different from what the rest of the world does? If the Iraqis want to use and reuse their own seed -they may. Infact they will be able to apply for patent on their own strains for use/distribution -they just can't reuse "protected" seed.

Is there anything you conspiracy mongers won't try to spin negatively?

CsG

So, if when the native gene pool gets cross pollinated and a Monsanto gene gets inserted into native stock will you side with the Iraqis or Monsanto in the law suit to keep Iraqis from using their seeds?

And just how is such cross-poll dealt with in our heavily regulated US grain market? Do you know? Or are you just tossing that out to further the conspiracy theory that "Big Grain" is trying to screw Iraqis?

CsG

So, if when the native gene pool gets cross pollinated and a Monsanto gene gets inserted into native stock will you side with the Iraqis or Monsanto in the law suit to keep Iraqis from using their seeds?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
:roll: What a bunch of tripe. I did some reading on this situations and kooks are spouting alot about things they don't know about.

Civil Affairs Soldiers Deliver Seeds to Iraqi Farmers

...Supplies included certified seeds for wheat, corn and maize; urea and other fertilizers; and insecticides and herbicides. While seeds aren't always the hardest things to come by for farmers, the seed given by the agriculture team provides a wider gene pool for the plants.

?Most Iraqi farmers can grow their own seed, but they have been doing it so long that the germination is poor,? Cole said.

...

...?The farmers have requested assistance with diseases in their vegetables, so our intent is to work with Texas A&M to have their produce disease specialist to assist us in October.?

With these improvements, the agriculture team and civil affairs hope to help out the people of Al Rashid starting at the lowest level possible.

?We're trying our hardest to see that the seed is distributed to the individual farmers,? Rinehart said. ?If we get it to the individuals who need it the most, we know they will appreciate it and use it, and hopefully that will help bring more stability to the local economy.?

So do we have any germination experts here?

Also - has anyone actually read the dasm law? ...didn't think so.

Section 66 - "B. Farmers shall be prohibited from re-using seeds of protected varieties or any
variety mentioned in items 1 and 2 of paragraph (C) of Article 14 of this
Chapter.?"
So how exactly is this different from what the rest of the world does? If the Iraqis want to use and reuse their own seed -they may. Infact they will be able to apply for patent on their own strains for use/distribution -they just can't reuse "protected" seed.

Is there anything you conspiracy mongers won't try to spin negatively?

CsG

So, if when the native gene pool gets cross pollinated and a Monsanto gene gets inserted into native stock will you side with the Iraqis or Monsanto in the law suit to keep Iraqis from using their seeds?

And just how is such cross-poll dealt with in our heavily regulated US grain market? Do you know? Or are you just tossing that out to further the conspiracy theory that "Big Grain" is trying to screw Iraqis?

CsG

So, if when the native gene pool gets cross pollinated and a Monsanto gene gets inserted into native stock will you side with the Iraqis or Monsanto in the law suit to keep Iraqis from using their seeds?

And just how is such cross-poll dealt with in our heavily regulated US grain market? Do you know? Or are you just tossing that out to further the conspiracy theory that "Big Grain" is trying to screw Iraqis?

CsG

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
:roll: What a bunch of tripe. I did some reading on this situations and kooks are spouting alot about things they don't know about.

Civil Affairs Soldiers Deliver Seeds to Iraqi Farmers

...Supplies included certified seeds for wheat, corn and maize; urea and other fertilizers; and insecticides and herbicides. While seeds aren't always the hardest things to come by for farmers, the seed given by the agriculture team provides a wider gene pool for the plants.

?Most Iraqi farmers can grow their own seed, but they have been doing it so long that the germination is poor,? Cole said.

...

...?The farmers have requested assistance with diseases in their vegetables, so our intent is to work with Texas A&M to have their produce disease specialist to assist us in October.?

With these improvements, the agriculture team and civil affairs hope to help out the people of Al Rashid starting at the lowest level possible.

?We're trying our hardest to see that the seed is distributed to the individual farmers,? Rinehart said. ?If we get it to the individuals who need it the most, we know they will appreciate it and use it, and hopefully that will help bring more stability to the local economy.?

So do we have any germination experts here?

Also - has anyone actually read the dasm law? ...didn't think so.

Section 66 - "B. Farmers shall be prohibited from re-using seeds of protected varieties or any
variety mentioned in items 1 and 2 of paragraph (C) of Article 14 of this
Chapter.?"
So how exactly is this different from what the rest of the world does? If the Iraqis want to use and reuse their own seed -they may. Infact they will be able to apply for patent on their own strains for use/distribution -they just can't reuse "protected" seed.

Is there anything you conspiracy mongers won't try to spin negatively?

CsG

So, if when the native gene pool gets cross pollinated and a Monsanto gene gets inserted into native stock will you side with the Iraqis or Monsanto in the law suit to keep Iraqis from using their seeds?

And just how is such cross-poll dealt with in our heavily regulated US grain market? Do you know? Or are you just tossing that out to further the conspiracy theory that "Big Grain" is trying to screw Iraqis?

CsG

So, if when the native gene pool gets cross pollinated and a Monsanto gene gets inserted into native stock will you side with the Iraqis or Monsanto in the law suit to keep Iraqis from using their seeds?

And just how is such cross-poll dealt with in our heavily regulated US grain market? Do you know? Or are you just tossing that out to further the conspiracy theory that "Big Grain" is trying to screw Iraqis?

CsG

I asked a question that may well come up in the future. I want to know if it does, what will you say? Have you an answer? You can make more out of it if you will, however there IS a real possibility that courts may rule that a gene that finds it's way into a product it belongs to "Big Grain".

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
:roll: What a bunch of tripe. I did some reading on this situations and kooks are spouting alot about things they don't know about.

Civil Affairs Soldiers Deliver Seeds to Iraqi Farmers

...Supplies included certified seeds for wheat, corn and maize; urea and other fertilizers; and insecticides and herbicides. While seeds aren't always the hardest things to come by for farmers, the seed given by the agriculture team provides a wider gene pool for the plants.

?Most Iraqi farmers can grow their own seed, but they have been doing it so long that the germination is poor,? Cole said.

...

...?The farmers have requested assistance with diseases in their vegetables, so our intent is to work with Texas A&M to have their produce disease specialist to assist us in October.?

With these improvements, the agriculture team and civil affairs hope to help out the people of Al Rashid starting at the lowest level possible.

?We're trying our hardest to see that the seed is distributed to the individual farmers,? Rinehart said. ?If we get it to the individuals who need it the most, we know they will appreciate it and use it, and hopefully that will help bring more stability to the local economy.?

So do we have any germination experts here?

Also - has anyone actually read the dasm law? ...didn't think so.

Section 66 - "B. Farmers shall be prohibited from re-using seeds of protected varieties or any
variety mentioned in items 1 and 2 of paragraph (C) of Article 14 of this
Chapter.?"
So how exactly is this different from what the rest of the world does? If the Iraqis want to use and reuse their own seed -they may. Infact they will be able to apply for patent on their own strains for use/distribution -they just can't reuse "protected" seed.

Is there anything you conspiracy mongers won't try to spin negatively?

CsG

So, if when the native gene pool gets cross pollinated and a Monsanto gene gets inserted into native stock will you side with the Iraqis or Monsanto in the law suit to keep Iraqis from using their seeds?

And just how is such cross-poll dealt with in our heavily regulated US grain market? Do you know? Or are you just tossing that out to further the conspiracy theory that "Big Grain" is trying to screw Iraqis?

CsG

So, if when the native gene pool gets cross pollinated and a Monsanto gene gets inserted into native stock will you side with the Iraqis or Monsanto in the law suit to keep Iraqis from using their seeds?

And just how is such cross-poll dealt with in our heavily regulated US grain market? Do you know? Or are you just tossing that out to further the conspiracy theory that "Big Grain" is trying to screw Iraqis?

CsG

I asked a question that may well come up in the future. I want to know if it does, what will you say? Have you an answer? You can make more out of it if you will, however there IS a real possibility that courts may rule that a gene that finds it's way into a product it belongs to "Big Grain".

And I asked how such things are dealt with here in a much more regulated environment. Do you know?

IMO - if such a thing came up - it'd be up to the seed company to prove that the farmer's intent was less than pure. In a case where cross-poll happened - it shouldn't be too tough to find out the generation of the "protected" seed within the cross-polled seed. Anyway the most realistic possibility is that the Iraqis will see such an increased benefit(yield) from the "protected" seed that this won't become an issue(note the article I linked where they were asking for better crops)

Anyway - your "what-if" still doesn't add up to this being a conspiracy to rape Iraqi farmers by Big Grain.

CsG

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
:roll: What a bunch of tripe. I did some reading on this situations and kooks are spouting alot about things they don't know about.

Civil Affairs Soldiers Deliver Seeds to Iraqi Farmers

...Supplies included certified seeds for wheat, corn and maize; urea and other fertilizers; and insecticides and herbicides. While seeds aren't always the hardest things to come by for farmers, the seed given by the agriculture team provides a wider gene pool for the plants.

?Most Iraqi farmers can grow their own seed, but they have been doing it so long that the germination is poor,? Cole said.

...

...?The farmers have requested assistance with diseases in their vegetables, so our intent is to work with Texas A&M to have their produce disease specialist to assist us in October.?

With these improvements, the agriculture team and civil affairs hope to help out the people of Al Rashid starting at the lowest level possible.

?We're trying our hardest to see that the seed is distributed to the individual farmers,? Rinehart said. ?If we get it to the individuals who need it the most, we know they will appreciate it and use it, and hopefully that will help bring more stability to the local economy.?

So do we have any germination experts here?

Also - has anyone actually read the dasm law? ...didn't think so.

Section 66 - "B. Farmers shall be prohibited from re-using seeds of protected varieties or any
variety mentioned in items 1 and 2 of paragraph (C) of Article 14 of this
Chapter.?"
So how exactly is this different from what the rest of the world does? If the Iraqis want to use and reuse their own seed -they may. Infact they will be able to apply for patent on their own strains for use/distribution -they just can't reuse "protected" seed.

Is there anything you conspiracy mongers won't try to spin negatively?

CsG

So, if when the native gene pool gets cross pollinated and a Monsanto gene gets inserted into native stock will you side with the Iraqis or Monsanto in the law suit to keep Iraqis from using their seeds?

And just how is such cross-poll dealt with in our heavily regulated US grain market? Do you know? Or are you just tossing that out to further the conspiracy theory that "Big Grain" is trying to screw Iraqis?

CsG

So, if when the native gene pool gets cross pollinated and a Monsanto gene gets inserted into native stock will you side with the Iraqis or Monsanto in the law suit to keep Iraqis from using their seeds?

And just how is such cross-poll dealt with in our heavily regulated US grain market? Do you know? Or are you just tossing that out to further the conspiracy theory that "Big Grain" is trying to screw Iraqis?

CsG

I asked a question that may well come up in the future. I want to know if it does, what will you say? Have you an answer? You can make more out of it if you will, however there IS a real possibility that courts may rule that a gene that finds it's way into a product it belongs to "Big Grain".

And I asked how such things are dealt with here in a much more regulated environment. Do you know?

IMO - if such a thing came up - it'd be up to the seed company to prove that the farmer's intent was less than pure. In a case where cross-poll happened - it shouldn't be too tough to find out the generation of the "protected" seed within the cross-polled seed. Anyway the most realistic possibility is that the Iraqis will see such an increased benefit(yield) from the "protected" seed that this won't become an issue(note the article I linked where they were asking for better crops)

Anyway - your "what-if" still doesn't add up to this being a conspiracy to rape Iraqi farmers by Big Grain.

CsG

No it does not. I never said it did. I asked a relevant question that can affect countries depending on the courts there. I still think it a valid concern.

The regulation of genetic products in this country is STILL uncertain. These questions have not been answered. It's avoided. That is how it's handled here.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
No it does not. I never said it did. I asked a relevant question that can affect countries depending on the courts there. I still think it a valid concern.

The regulation of genetic products in this country is STILL uncertain. These questions have not been answered. It's avoided. That is how it's handled here.

We aren't talking genetic products here perse(as in GM seed) -we are talking about "protected"strains of seed. Incase you and others don't understand seed - Genetically modified != certified seed. GM can be certified -but not all certified is GM. Got it? There are strains that are grown from parent seed. These parent seeds are are bred for certain conditions and to with natural "protections". Now again - none of this excludes GM - but like I said it doesn't mean it is all GM.

I'm going to email my landlord tomorrow to ask a few questions about a couple things before I post them, but I think your "valid" concerns aren't really as big as you think they are. He works with these Parent seeds I spoke of at Pioneer(Dupont).

Oh, and how exactly is it "avoided" here? Buffer zones? And assuming your assumption is correct - why cant these same practices be done in Iraq? But again, this is mainly a GM issue/argument here - not a cross-poll of "regular" certified breeds of seed issue.

CsG

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
No it does not. I never said it did. I asked a relevant question that can affect countries depending on the courts there. I still think it a valid concern.

The regulation of genetic products in this country is STILL uncertain. These questions have not been answered. It's avoided. That is how it's handled here.

We aren't talking genetic products here perse(as in GM seed) -we are talking about "protected"strains of seed. Incase you and others don't understand seed - Genetically modified != certified seed. GM can be certified -but not all certified is GM. Got it? There are strains that are grown from parent seed. These parent seeds are are bred for certain conditions and to with natural "protections". Now again - none of this excludes GM - but like I said it doesn't mean it is all GM.

I'm going to email my landlord tomorrow to ask a few questions about a couple things before I post them, but I think your "valid" concerns aren't really as big as you think they are. He works with these Parent seeds I spoke of at Pioneer(Dupont).

Oh, and how exactly is it "avoided" here? Buffer zones? And assuming your assumption is correct - why cant these same practices be done in Iraq? But again, this is mainly a GM issue/argument here - not a cross-poll of "regular" certified breeds of seed issue.

CsG

I am referring to patented seed, not it's source of creation.

This has not come up in court because neither side wants to lose, and "Big Grain" as you call it might win the case, but lose the publicity war. In other countries this might not be so.

My you are pugnacious tonight

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
No it does not. I never said it did. I asked a relevant question that can affect countries depending on the courts there. I still think it a valid concern.

The regulation of genetic products in this country is STILL uncertain. These questions have not been answered. It's avoided. That is how it's handled here.

We aren't talking genetic products here perse(as in GM seed) -we are talking about "protected"strains of seed. Incase you and others don't understand seed - Genetically modified != certified seed. GM can be certified -but not all certified is GM. Got it? There are strains that are grown from parent seed. These parent seeds are are bred for certain conditions and to with natural "protections". Now again - none of this excludes GM - but like I said it doesn't mean it is all GM.

I'm going to email my landlord tomorrow to ask a few questions about a couple things before I post them, but I think your "valid" concerns aren't really as big as you think they are. He works with these Parent seeds I spoke of at Pioneer(Dupont).

Oh, and how exactly is it "avoided" here? Buffer zones? And assuming your assumption is correct - why cant these same practices be done in Iraq? But again, this is mainly a GM issue/argument here - not a cross-poll of "regular" certified breeds of seed issue.

CsG

I am referring to patented seed, not it's source of creation.

This has not come up in court because neither side wants to lose, and "Big Grain" as you call it might win the case, but lose the publicity war. In other countries this might not be so.

My you are pugnacious tonight

Sure I am - These kook conspiracy theories are ridiculous and it gets tiring having to defend against them.

So now this "what-if" is a conspiracy about how "Big Grain" is going to use Iraq as their test case?
Anyway I still think your "valid concern" isn't as big as you may think it is. I think that when Iraqis see their yields jump due to the use of better seed - this will all become a non-issue and thus a big old fat "win" for "Big Grain" who only wants to screw the poor Iraqi farmer...oh wait...they aren't being screwed - they are getting bigger yields and growing better crops...

CsG

 

[Moonbeam]

Iraqi grain, after generations of growing, is having problems germinating. Sounds real odd to me. I would have thought that the seed was the seed of the stuff that would germinate not the seed of stuff that wouldn't. I would want to double check on that. But I'm sure the independent and self governing nation of Iraq has made a truly democratic and well informed popular decision to use corporate American grain on holy Arab soil.