Far right in EU gaining Populrity

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Far right parties have been gaining ground in several European countries since the 1990s, their successes ascribed to disenchantment with the perceived failures of leftwing governments, growing concern over immigration and the tightening of the European Union. We provide a guide to Europe's largest far right parties, their current strength and their future potential.




Special report: Europe's far right


Austria
Freedom party (FPO)
Key figures: Jörg Haider (FPO's de facto leader and governor of Carinthia),
Susanne Riess-Passer (FPO leader and vice chancellor, Austrian sports minister)
Led from 1986 to 2000 by Nazi sympathiser Jörg Haider, the FPO came second in the 1999 general elections on an anti-immigration and anti-EU ticket, winning 27% of the vote and 52 seats in parliament under the PR system. Soon after the vote, Austria weathered the wrath and sanctions of the EU after the rightwing People's party agreed to form a coalition government with the FPO.
FPO members currently hold six posts in the Austrian cabinet, but growing tensions between Mr Haider and FPO moderates are threatening to split the party. However, the FPO is still strongly supported in parts of its southern electoral heartlands - Mr Haider's achievements are likely to endure for some time.
Special report: Austria



Belgium
Flemish Block (VB)
Key figure: Frank Vanhecke (VB's president)
The far-right Vlaams Blok became the biggest political force in its Flemish stronghold city, Antwerp, in October 2000, taking 20 out of 50 seats on the city council. In the 1999 parliamentary elections it took 9.9% of the vote, translating under the PR system to 15 seats in the lower house. VB is fiercely anti-immigrant, openly anti-semitic and advocates Flemish self-rule.


Denmark
Danish People's party (DPP)
Key figure: Pia Kjaersgaard (leader, DPP)
The ultra-right DPP swept into parliament as the country's third-largest party following the 2001 elections, taking 12% of the vote and 22 seats under Denmark's partial PR system. Now underpinning a centre-right government coalition, it has drafted tough new asylum policies and cut aid to the developing world.


France
National Front (FN)
Key figure: Jean-Marie Le Pen (leader and founder, FN)
A persistent presence in French politics since 1972, the FN and its ageing leader, Jean-Marie Le Pen, never seriously threatened to break through at the national level until the recent shock presidential elections. Mr Le Pen took 17% in the first ballot, beating the Socialist prime minister, Lionel Jospin, to second place and prompting an orgy of national self-recrimination that saw him thrashed by 18% to 82% in the final round.
Nevertheless, this means six million people cast their vote for Mr Le Pen - the highest poll for the far right ever and in spite of a huge national campaign against him. Mr Le Pen's vote held up and even increased marginally in some constituencies, raising the unwelcome prospect of a strong showing for the FN in France's parliamentary elections next month. This startling change of fortunes must be ascribed, not just to a weak and divided left, but also to the growing European trend in anti-immigration attitudes.
Special report: France



Germany
Republican party (REP), German People's Union (DVU), National Democratic party (NPD)
Key figures: No dominant leaders.
The far right in post-war Germany has manifested itself largely as a neo-Nazi youth protest movement, with plenty of unpleasant rallies by disaffected and racist youths from both the east and west of the country. However, none of Germany's three minor far right parties has made headway at national level. In the 1998 parliamentary elections, the REP and DVU mustered just 1.8% and 1.2% respectively - way off the 5% hurdle over which votes can translate into seats under Germany's dual PR/first past the post electoral system. However, these parties have had limited successes at local level, and since the Kohl era, anti-immigrant policies have made it on to the national agenda.


Greece
Hellenic Front
Key figure: Makis Voridis (leader, Hellenic Front)
A tiny party that didn't even register on the electoral radar in the 2000 elections, the Hellenic Front's insignificance illustrates the comparative weakness of extreme right politics in Greece.


Italy
Northern League, National Alliance
Key figures: Umberto Bossi (pictured: leader, Northern League),
Gianfranco Fini (leader, National Alliance)
The xenophobic Northern League and the post-fascist National Alliance entered a rightwing coalition with Silvio Berlusconi's governing party following general elections in 2001. Defying international criticism, Mr Berlusconi gave three cabinet posts to the Northern League, despite the fact that it only polled 4% of the vote, and one key post to Gianfranco Fini. With policies such as authorising coastguards to shoot human traffickers and the belief that the EU is run by paedophiles, the Northern League's inclusion in government prompted widespread concern across Europe.


The Netherlands
Pim Fortuyn's List (LPF), Liveable Netherlands
Key figure: Mat Herben (leader, LPF)
Mat Herben, a former defence ministry spokesman and the current LPF party spokesman, now leads the party that still bears the name of his predecessor, who was shot dead on May 7. In general elections on May 15, LPF came second only to the centre-right Christian Democrat party (CDA), winning 26 parliamentary seats in its first ever election contest. It is now preparing to enter a coalition government with the CDA. However it is doubted whether LPF can survive in the long term without its maverick founder.
Despite standing for zero immigration and stating that Islam was "backward", Pim Fortuyn's politics represented a uniquely Dutch take on the far right. He was openly gay; his deputy, Joao Varela, was himself a black immigrant; and some critics said he was less extreme than other European far right leaders. Fortuyn formed LPF this February after being sacked by the Netherlands' main far right party, Liveable Netherlands, for the strength of his anti-immigration stance.



Norway
Progress party
Key figure: Carl Hagen (leader, Progress party)
Norway's far right Progress party has propped up a rightwing coalition government since elections last October, in which the Labour government that had dominated Norwegian politics for almost a century was ousted. The Progress party, which wants to cap immigration at 1,000 people a year, won 26 out of 165 parliamentary seats after polling 14.7%.


Portugal
Popular party
Key figure: Paulo Portas (leader, Popular party)
Portuguese parliamentary elections held this March saw the Popular party win 14 seats, after polling almost 9% of the vote. The fiercely anti-immigration party, led by crusading rightwing journalist Paulo Portas, is now part of a rightwing coalition. Mr Portas has pledged to introduce tight immigration limits and to prevent the transfer of further national powers to the EU.


Switzerland
Swiss People's party (SVP)
Key figure: Christoph Blocher (Leader, SVP)
Although it does attract extreme right support, the SVP is best described as hard right. The party takes a strongly anti-immigrant line but its populist leader, Christoph Blocher, insists he is not racist. After elections in 1999, the party became Switzerland's second-strongest political force, polling a joint top 22.5% and winning 44 seats. However, Mr Blocher's bid to enter government failed when his request for a second SVP cabinet post was rejected by the other coalition leaders.


United Kingdom
British National party (BNP)
Key figure: Nick Griffin (leader, BNP)
Thanks partly to Britain's electoral system, the racist BNP is highly unlikely ever to return an MP to Westminster. Its best ever electoral showing was at this May's local elections, in which BNP candidates won three local council seats (out of a national total of over 6,000) in the deprived and racially divided Burnley. The BNP's Cambridge graduate leader, Nick Griffin, wants to pay non-whites to return to their countries of ethnic origin and to withdraw Britain from the EU.
Special report: The far right in Britain
Special report: race in the UK

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Maybe some P&Ners from the other side of the pond can give us an opinion? From everything I have read the far right parties are gaining popularity, as well the poll in Denmark that showed the DPP gaining popularity pretty quickly. It seems that EU might be taking a hard swing towards the anti-immigrant/far right.
 

MadRat

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Sheesh, can't we have a moderate regionalized government somewhere in the world?
 

Future Shock

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When I read the details of the OP, I just see nothing to get alarmed about. Austria will always be a bit right wing - that's their culture and history. Italian politics NEVER make sense. Le Pen got smashed in the real election in France. Germany - is Germany, and will always have a simmering neo-Nazi movement. Denmark's right wing movement is - well, Danish - liberal as hell in almost everything else but immigration based upon the Danes that I know.

But you have to take great comfort in reading the description of the rest of them...especially looking at the UK, where they can't get elected, Greece where they can't get elected, and The Netherlands, who's position just has to be QFT:
Despite standing for zero immigration and stating that Islam was "backward", Pim Fortuyn's politics represented a uniquely Dutch take on the far right. He was openly gay; his deputy, Joao Varela, was himself a black immigrant; and some critics said he was less extreme than other European far right leaders.

This doesn't sound like the next coming of the far right - this sounds like a populist alarm at ONE ISSUE. And if the centrist and liberal parties are smart, they will realize the popular tide has turned, and incorporate a more moderate position around it. The only real fear here is that some liberal politicians may be so wedded to their long-standing beliefs that they take their party away from the popular opinion entirely...

Future Shock
 

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The BNP (UK) have gained seats in some places lately I believe.

As far as I'm aware and from what a lot of people believe one of the issues that crops up is employment for immigrants. Now I'm not going to go into a debate about which country has better skills etc. but in my view, people are fed up with the British working population being slagged off all the time and being replaced with immigrants. Specifically, it seems really fashionable to bash British university students as drunks/people that don't do really hard courses and say that uni students from other countries are undoubtedly better.

People are also getting really tired of positive discrimination. Trust of the police in this country is getting very low and all we keep hearing about the police is something to do with the Metropolitan police improving race relations. Well, I'm sorry but the standards of police are declining (of course this could be to due with all the extra paper work they get instead of policing) but it's not hard to see that this obsession with positive discrimination isn't helping. But anyway this is obviously something that again the BNP would appear to 'sort out' in some way.

And then, theres the main issues of immigration. Whilst the party is obviously anti-immigration, I believe it does focus on some peoples views that under the current government, immigrants get excessively preferential treatment over poor people and pensioners in this country with basic services such as housing, heating, dentists, local doctors etc.

I'm obviously waffaling on quite a bit but it's not hard to see why people would perhaps consider voting for the BNP. Of course, I wouldn't vote for them myself and then I wonder if some people get swayed too much by sensationalist media.
 

CanOWorms

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I've been talking about the gain of the far-right in Europe for some time on this forum. It's very troubling. A few years ago many people claimed that the far-right were nothing, that they were insignificant. Now, they are one of the most important elements in European society. They receive a substantial number of votes, participate in government, and infect mainstream politics with their ideals. It's the beginning of yet another genocide in Europe.
 

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I've been talking about the gain of the far-right in Europe for some time on this forum. It's very troubling. A few years ago many people claimed that the far-right were nothing, that they were insignificant. Now, they are one of the most important elements in European society. They receive a substantial number of votes, participate in government, and infect mainstream politics with their ideals. It's the beginning of yet another genocide in Europe.
You only have to read a couple of the left wingers here to understand why!

 

ntdz

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I've been talking about the gain of the far-right in Europe for some time on this forum. It's very troubling. A few years ago many people claimed that the far-right were nothing, that they were insignificant. Now, they are one of the most important elements in European society. They receive a substantial number of votes, participate in government, and infect mainstream politics with their ideals. It's the beginning of yet another genocide in Europe.

It's liberals like you that have Europeans turning away from the left.
 

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Originally posted by: MadRat
Sheesh, can't we have a moderate regionalized government somewhere in the world?

QFT... we see far left policies not quite working in Europe. In America, we see far right policies not working either. Where's the middle ground?
 

ntdz

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Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: MadRat
Sheesh, can't we have a moderate regionalized government somewhere in the world?

QFT... we see far left policies not quite working in Europe. In America, we see far right policies not working either. Where's the middle ground?

Our government isn't far right...you may think Bush is far right, but he surely doesn't govern like that.
 

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Originally posted by: jazzboy
The BNP (UK) have gained seats in some places lately I believe.

As far as I'm aware and from what a lot of people believe one of the issues that crops up is employment for immigrants. Now I'm not going to go into a debate about which country has better skills etc. but in my view, people are fed up with the British working population being slagged off all the time and being replaced with immigrants. Specifically, it seems really fashionable to bash British university students as drunks/people that don't do really hard courses and say that uni students from other countries are undoubtedly better.
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As you probably know, we have the same problems in America. Big Business buys the government no matter where it is.
 

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Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: MadRat
Sheesh, can't we have a moderate regionalized government somewhere in the world?

QFT... we see far left policies not quite working in Europe. In America, we see far right policies not working either. Where's the middle ground?

Our government isn't far right...you may think Bush is far right, but he surely doesn't govern like that.

He's an authoritarian corporatist who ignores the law when he sees fit. Sounds pretty far right to me.
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I've been talking about the gain of the far-right in Europe for some time on this forum. It's very troubling. A few years ago many people claimed that the far-right were nothing, that they were insignificant. Now, they are one of the most important elements in European society. They receive a substantial number of votes, participate in government, and infect mainstream politics with their ideals. It's the beginning of yet another genocide in Europe.

It's liberals like you that have Europeans turning away from the left.

No, it's the acceptance of racism and genocide that is turning Europeans to the far-right. Being racist in Europe means that you are popular, a political superstar with a bright future.
 

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its fine. the liberals have to learn from their mistake of excessive tolerance of the intolerant and letting bigots flood in through immigration. thats self destructive behavior and against the long term survival of their actual core ideals which is rather odd:p perhaps it'll wake the liberals up from being apologists and enablers for extreme islam.
 

Future Shock

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I've been talking about the gain of the far-right in Europe for some time on this forum. It's very troubling. A few years ago many people claimed that the far-right were nothing, that they were insignificant. Now, they are one of the most important elements in European society. They receive a substantial number of votes, participate in government, and infect mainstream politics with their ideals. It's the beginning of yet another genocide in Europe.

Yeah, they are right up there in influence...with the Greens and Communists.

Get a grip. This is a ONE ISSUE "revolution". The rest of what the far right stands for does NOT appeal to the broad EU populace. The mainstream parties can easily re-claim it by making small changes to their positions on immigration, at which time the far right has no legs to stand on...and vastly smaller campaign budgets, political experience, etc. to draw upon. They will fold, quicker than they rose...still bubbling under the surface, because no political ilk every entirely dies, but they will fade away.

I give the far right about another 18-24 months of EU glory...maybe 36 in countries that are slow to respond.

And yes, before you ask, I DO live in the EU...

Future Shock
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: Future Shock

Yeah, they are right up there in influence...with the Greens and Communists.

Tell that to Denmark, Switzerland, Slovenia, etc.

Get a grip. This is a ONE ISSUE "revolution". The rest of what the far right stands for does NOT appeal to the broad EU populace. The mainstream parties can easily re-claim it by making small changes to their positions on immigration, at which time the far right has no legs to stand on...and vastly smaller campaign budgets, political experience, etc. to draw upon. They will fold, quicker than they rose...still bubbling under the surface, because no political ilk every entirely dies, but they will fade away.

Racism appeals to most of the EU, and the far-right are the masters of racism. You talking about the mainstream parties making changes to reclaim lost ground to the far-right is exactly what I'm talking about in regards to the far-right infecting mainstream politics.

I give the far right about another 18-24 months of EU glory...maybe 36 in countries that are slow to respond.

That's what people said 5 years ago, and now the far-right are getting stronger and more organized. The problem cannot be fixed by ignoring it. Europeans continue to ignore what they don't want to confront, thus it becomes a bigger problem. The potential genocide needs to be prevented.

And yes, before you ask, I DO live in the EU...

Future Shock

I wouldn't ask you because it's irrelevant.
 

Future Shock

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Racism appeals to most of the EU, and the far-right are the masters of racism. You talking about the mainstream parties making changes to reclaim lost ground to the far-right is exactly what I'm talking about in regards to the far-right infecting mainstream politics.

Infecting? Racism? Wow - a bit sensationalist. All the mainstream parties have to do is cut off, possibly totally, the flow of immigrants - that one action alone would satisfy the majority of the electorate in most countries. Immigration policy is NOT the same as racism.

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
That's what people said 5 years ago, and now the far-right are getting stronger and more organized. The problem cannot be fixed by ignoring it. Europeans continue to ignore what they don't want to confront, thus it becomes a bigger problem. The potential genocide needs to be prevented.

Genocide only seems to work in countries that have no political freedoms...none of the countries you have named has a lack of political freedom, freedom of the press, or closed borders to international aide organizations. ALL of these things would be pre-requisites for anything approaching "genocide". Go look in your history books...these all were present to very large degrees in WWII Germany, in 1970s Cambodia, in Cultural Revolutionary China, and now in Dafur. And WHATEVER the populace feels about immigration, I don't see these basic rights of a free society going away...


Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I wouldn't ask you because it's irrelevant.

No, it's TOTALLY relevant - the coverage of the EU's internal politics is virtually non-existant in the US, or for that matter Asia. I would have no business what-so-ever commenting on this situation if I didn't live here, know people from about the EU, work here, and read the papers here. I would be speaking out my a$$. But as it turns out, I'm not, even if you and I don't agree.

FS

 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: Future Shock

Infecting? Racism? Wow - a bit sensationalist. All the mainstream parties have to do is cut off, possibly totally, the flow of immigrants - that one action alone would satisfy the majority of the electorate in most countries. Immigration policy is NOT the same as racism.

I think that once the flow of immigrants is cut off, they will attempt to eliminate the undesirables within society.

Genocide only seems to work in countries that have no political freedoms...none of the countries you have named has a lack of political freedom, freedom of the press, or closed borders to international aide organizations. ALL of these things would be pre-requisites for anything approaching "genocide". Go look in your history books...these all were present to very large degrees in WWII Germany, in 1970s Cambodia, in Cultural Revolutionary China, and now in Dafur.

The British continued to actively practice genocides and other atrocities before, during, and after WW2.

And WHATEVER the populace feels about immigration, I don't see these basic rights of a free society going away...

A few years ago, 95% of Slovenia voted to take away the rights of undesirables within their society.

No, it's TOTALLY relevant - the coverage of the EU's internal politics is virtually non-existant in the US, or for that matter Asia. I would have no business what-so-ever commenting on this situation if I didn't live here, know people from about the EU, work here, and read the papers here. I would be speaking out my a$$. But as it turns out, I'm not, even if you and I don't agree.

FS

That would all just be anecdotal evidence. With the Internet, you can read about the politics of any country.
 

Colt45

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Just ignore canoworms. he's been crying wolf about the brownshirts killing every foreigner in the EU for a few years.
Completely unfounded and he lacks the ability to reason.
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: Colt45
Just ignore canoworms. he's been crying wolf about the brownshirts killing every foreigner in the EU for a few years.
Completely unfounded and he lacks the ability to reason.

And the problem continues to be ignored and continues to spread.
 

Czar

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Colt45
Just ignore canoworms. he's been crying wolf about the brownshirts killing every foreigner in the EU for a few years.
Completely unfounded and he lacks the ability to reason.

And the problem continues to be ignored and continues to spread.

well he is right, you said so yourself once in an OT thread, regarding why you post here
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Colt45
Just ignore canoworms. he's been crying wolf about the brownshirts killing every foreigner in the EU for a few years.
Completely unfounded and he lacks the ability to reason.

And the problem continues to be ignored and continues to spread.

well he is right, you said so yourself once in an OT thread, regarding why you post here

Yes, I post for entertainment.

It's amusing to see you people deny what is progressively getting worse. I think that simply saying "it isn't a problem" shows the lack of the ability to reason.
 

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Originally posted by: RichardE
Norway
Progress party
Key figure: Carl Hagen (leader, Progress party)
Norway's far right Progress party has propped up a rightwing coalition government since elections last October, in which the Labour government that had dominated Norwegian politics for almost a century was ousted. The Progress party, which wants to cap immigration at 1,000 people a year, won 26 out of 165 parliamentary seats after polling 14.7%.

I think this atleast is out of date, current Norwegian governement is a majority government representing the Labour Party, the Socialist Left Party and the Centre Party.

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Future Shock

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Future Shock

Infecting? Racism? Wow - a bit sensationalist. All the mainstream parties have to do is cut off, possibly totally, the flow of immigrants - that one action alone would satisfy the majority of the electorate in most countries. Immigration policy is NOT the same as racism.

I think that once the flow of immigrants is cut off, they will attempt to eliminate the undesirables within society.

OK - you are ASSERTING that this is a possibility. OK, that's one opinion - yours. Do you have any collaborating evidence, expert opinions, or attitudinal surveys of EU citizens that would back that up and make it worth anything more than one line of a discussion?

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

The British continued to actively practice genocides and other atrocities before, during, and after WW2.
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Please post detailed links about ANY practices that the British engaged in that fit the definition of "genocide" in and around WWII. Not "other atrocities", because that is not our topic of convo here, but the planned removal of another race or creed from the face of the earth. Please let me know where this transpired, and which groups were the victims or intended victims.

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Future Shock
And WHATEVER the populace feels about immigration, I don't see these basic rights of a free society going away...

A few years ago, 95% of Slovenia voted to take away the rights of undesirables within their society.

Which "undesireables"? Which rights, exactly? The rights that I was referring to are the rights of free speach, the openness of borders, the ability of international organizations to monitor the situation internally within the country...I see it difficult to understand how those rights could be removed for just one group within the country...


Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Future Shock
No, it's TOTALLY relevant - the coverage of the EU's internal politics is virtually non-existant in the US, or for that matter Asia. I would have no business what-so-ever commenting on this situation if I didn't live here, know people from about the EU, work here, and read the papers here. I would be speaking out my a$$. But as it turns out, I'm not, even if you and I don't agree.

FS

That would all just be anecdotal evidence. With the Internet, you can read about the politics of any country.

Read about it, huh? You propose to base your statements about an undeclared political revolution in the EU upon your supposed knowlege of the EU citizens based upon what you KNOW about them (from Mongolia) after reading about them on the internet...what are you, like 19? The news on the internet is worth exactly what you pay for it...expecially without the context of actually knowing the place...

FS