Far Cry 4 PC tech trailer

[Carfax83]

Guys, the games are STILL on Steam in the U.S and presumably Canada as well. It's only in some European countries that they were removed..

I just checked it myself and the games are still available.. That said, why anyone would want to purchase the game on Steam and have to deal with two DRMs is beyond me..

Although I understand that Steam has been around for the longest time and has built up strong consumer loyalty and account registration, and if your friends are on Steam, then thats where you should game for multiplayer/co-op titles.

But domination is never good for any industry. It's no wonder that EA and Ubisoft decided to make their own DD clients. Giving a 30% cut to Steam for just distributing their game is outrageous.

Gabe Newell would love nothing more than to completely dominate the game digital distribution industry for as long as possible, but it was only a matter of time before other publishers wised up..

AC Unity and Far Cry 4 will sell well if they get good reviews and are well optimized for PC hardware, no matter what DD client they are on..

 

[Carfax83]

Far Cry 4 PC trailer @ 60 FPS..

Smooth as butter.

 

[toyota]

Guys, the games are STILL on Steam in the U.S and presumably Canada as well. It's only in some European countries that they were removed..

I just checked it myself and the games are still available.. That said, why anyone would want to purchase the game on Steam and have to deal with two DRMs is beyond me..

Although I understand that Steam has been around for the longest time and has built up strong consumer loyalty and account registration, and if your friends are on Steam, then thats where you should game for multiplayer/co-op titles.

But domination is never good for any industry. It's no wonder that EA and Ubisoft decided to make their own DD clients. Giving a 30% cut to Steam for just distributing their game is outrageous.

Gabe Newell would love nothing more than to completely dominate the game digital distribution industry for as long as possible, but it was only a matter of time before other publishers wised up..

AC Unity and Far Cry 4 will sell well if they get good reviews and are well optimized for PC hardware, no matter what DD client they are on..

they are back now but they they were pulled off of Steam in USA for a while.

 

[tviceman]

Yes, but why should Ubisoft pay Valve's 30% fee, when they can rake in 100% of the profit themselves using their own DD service? Thats the point.

And the games are still on Origin. In fact, I recently pre-ordered AC Unity Gold edition from EA Origin using the Hola trick, and when the game is released, EA will send me the license key.

So that makes you wonder why they removed it from Steam, but not from Origin if 30% is the industry standard as you claim.

I'm betting that EA is charging a smaller fee than 30%..

Because UPlay is a joke of a service and Ubisoft treats PC gamers like second rate citizens. Uplay is inferior in every single way to Steam/Valve. UPlay only launches Ubisoft games, whereas Steam will launch any game you purchase from it's catalog. Steam's friends functions are robust and feature rich. Uplay? I highly doubt you have a friends list of any use on UPlay. Hvae you taken the time to thoroughly explored the functionality and use of Uplay's few features? Can it adequately do half of what Steam can do??? Does it do voice chat? Does it do screenshots? Does it manage your music list? Does it allow you to store unused copies of games to gift out or redeem in the future? Does it have a TV-friendly mode? Does it organize it's store front in to dozens of subcategories based on various criteria to help you browse it's (pitiful) selection? Does it have community reviews / recommendations? Does Uplay host free weekends for games? Has Ubisoft ever given out free games? Has Valve/Steam ever made you always stay online for single player games?

EA probably isn't charging Ubisoft less, especially considering EA is a publicly traded company slave to shareholders with short-term profit goals always on their minds. The argument between Ubisoft and Valve most likely stems from wrapping the steam client around UPlay / Ubisoft games. While it sounds like EA sells game keys that you can take to another service to bypass Origin entirely, Steam does not. Of course I could be wrong about EA's fees and they could be charging Ubisoft less. IF EA is charging Ubisoft a significantly lesser fee than Steam/Valve, it's likely specifically to counter Steam/Valve, and not because EA charges less every day to every publisher.

 

[toyota]

Ubiosoft will actually patch games quicker on Steam then on its on service. it may take weeks or months to get the same patch on Uplay than whats on Steam. and on Uplay all patches update one at a time. that means a game will usually be the release version and then update when you launch it first time. you will then have to exit and re launch for next patch and so on.

 

[AnandThenMan]

Gabe Newell would love nothing more than to completely dominate the game digital distribution industry for as long as possible, but it was only a matter of time before other publishers wised up...

Wised up? The smart thing to do is distribute on STEAM instead of a game publisher trying to out compete them.

 

[Carfax83]

Because UPlay is a joke of a service and Ubisoft treats PC gamers like second rate citizens. Uplay is inferior in every single way to Steam/Valve. UPlay only launches Ubisoft games, whereas Steam will launch any game you purchase from it's catalog. Steam's friends functions are robust and feature rich. Uplay? I highly doubt you have a friends list of any use on UPlay. Hvae you taken the time to thoroughly explored the functionality and use of Uplay's few features? Can it adequately do half of what Steam can do??? Does it do voice chat? Does it do screenshots? Does it manage your music list? Does it allow you to store unused copies of games to gift out or redeem in the future? Does it have a TV-friendly mode? Does it organize it's store front in to dozens of subcategories based on various criteria to help you browse it's (pitiful) selection? Does it have community reviews / recommendations? Does Uplay host free weekends for games? Has Ubisoft ever given out free games? Has Valve/Steam ever made you always stay online for single player games?

A lot of factual errors in this paragraph. First off, Ubisoft doesn't treat PC gamers like second class citizens. Ubisoft PC games in fact tend to have a lot of PC specific enhancements and settings. As terribly optimized as Watch Dogs was on PC, it still looked WAY better than the console versions and they are still patching it up to this day. The last patch basically fixed the stuttering issue on single card systems, but broke it on multicard ones. But the fact that they are still working on it says that they give a damn.

Also, Uplay doesn't just distribute Ubisoft games. You can find games from other publishers on it as well, including Dragon Age Inquisition. And yes it supports voice chat and offline mode.

Honestly, the only time I've ever had issues with Uplay was after Watch Dogs launched when the servers were being overwhelmed. It took a few days to sort it out, and since then I haven't had any problems.

The argument between Ubisoft and Valve most likely stems from wrapping the steam client around UPlay / Ubisoft games. While it sounds like EA sells game keys that you can take to another service to bypass Origin entirely, Steam does not. Of course I could be wrong about EA's fees and they could be charging Ubisoft less. IF EA is charging Ubisoft a significantly lesser fee than Steam/Valve, it's likely specifically to counter Steam/Valve, and not because EA charges less every day to every publisher.

Well whatever the case it is, it seems that both EA and Ubisoft are shying away from using Steam.. EA made their decision years ago, and now Ubisoft is joining them.

And who can blame them? Do you see any Valve games on Origin or Uplay?

 

[Carfax83]

Wised up? The smart thing to do is distribute on STEAM instead of a game publisher trying to out compete them.

Yay for monopolies D: And Ubisoft develops, and publishes it's own games...just like Valve.

So there's no direct competition with Valve, unless they decide to put their games on Steam.

 

[AnandThenMan]

Valve specializes in game distribution and they do it very well. Sure I'd love to see Valve recapture the magic of HL but it doesn't look likely. Ubisoft just plain sucks at everything IMO.

 

[NIGELG]

Guys with high tech computers cannot have U play,Origin and Steam running at the same time??Hilarious.Yay for Steam sycophants and suck ups!!!

 

[f1sherman]

Guys with high tech computers cannot have U play,Origin and Steam running at the same time??Hilarious.Yay for Steam sycophants and suck ups!!!

I'm a Steam and Valve fan, but I realize that every publisher would love to have its own digital distribution platform.
So how can I hate EA or Ubi for trying to do just that. Nothing wrong with trying to cut the middleman.

How about Blizzard? Can you even imagine Valve making demands to Blizz LOL
Ofc not. No one even thinks about any other platform but Battle.net
Not to mention Blizzard is too freaking big, they command the utmost authority at what they do, and they have at least as big army of sycophants as Valve

 

[tential]

Guys with high tech computers cannot have U play,Origin and Steam running at the same time??Hilarious.Yay for Steam sycophants and suck ups!!!

Or convenience and time are worth something to us.

Look many of us have been on steam since the day it was released. We have seen the struggles a game distribution platform can go through to get to the point it is today.

I don't feel like making that trip twice more with origin, uplay, and whoever else decides they also want to make their own distribution network.

I don't want to login to a network online to play single player.

 

[Carfax83]

Or convenience and time are worth something to us.

It literally takes seconds to log into Steam, Origin and Uplay. Hardly an inconvenience. But it's up to you I suppose.

I don't want to login to a network online to play single player.

You have to do it with Steam, unless you're in offline mode. Same with Origin and Uplay. These clients also function as DRM, and not just digital distribution and networking platforms..

 

[AntonioHG]

Guys with high tech computers cannot have U play,Origin and Steam running at the same time??Hilarious.Yay for Steam sycophants and suck ups!!!

Lol, don't get me wrong. Steam has its problems -- took them forever to start curating the store and customer support is nonexistent, but there are incentives, like sales, games I want to play, user created content and guides, an easily accessed community and store pages that have information to help you decide whether or not the purchase will work on your system with the controls you want.

Origin has some incentives as well, like the free game every now and again, some sales, some games I'd like to play and customer support is actually pretty responsive and helpful.

Uplay? Not much from what I've seen, it's just one more thing to install. One more thing to create an account user name and password and worry about. God forbid you get a game a few months down the line and download it. My experience with AC was that it patched and patched and patched again. My experience with SC: BL was it patched and patched and failed to patch. I had to go hunting on the net for a solution and found one on their forum which was to download the patches manually and install them in a certain order.

 

[HeXen]

I hate Origin and Uplay...it's not really gaming on the couch friendly. It's non streamlined multiple user interfaces..not counting Window 8's two UI's to get there first.
Nut swing defend them all you guys want but it's 2014 and most typical gamers prefer a streamlined, plug and play solution. It's like the difference of 1 home security system to disarm vs disarming several just to get into your house. If you love segregating your games across multiple clients then fine but don't try to defend it's usage nor your love of having multiple clients.

However I would bet my gaming rig that most of you would prefer having a more streamlined console like solution considering so many of the posts I've seen over the years. No setup is going to be perfect for everyone but for me, booting directly into Steam's Big Screen mode has been a better user experience than messing with Uplay, Origin, PS4 or Xbox's...just not a fan of huge tiles advertising some game in my face.

But domination is never good for any industry. It's no wonder that EA and Ubisoft decided to make their own DD clients. Giving a 30% cut to Steam for just distributing their game is outrageous.

How is it anymore outrageous than what the console makers get or even EA for that matter. All distribution has a fee. EA takes a fee..etc. Anyone can make a distribution client but it's up to the users to want it and for you to make it likable. Don't be jelly just because Valve has the majority for PC nor Sony or MS for their majority in the console market....make your own if you want to rebel. Just know that eventually if you succeed, someone will make the same comment about your company just as you are now, it's called being a victim of your own success.

Now back to FC 4, looks too much like FC 3 to me. Nothing i've seen so far has grabbed my attention so I'll wait for a Steam deal or something.

 

[tviceman]

A lot of factual errors in this paragraph. First off, Ubisoft doesn't treat PC gamers like second class citizens. Ubisoft PC games in fact tend to have a lot of PC specific enhancements and settings. As terribly optimized as Watch Dogs was on PC, it still looked WAY better than the console versions and they are still patching it up to this day. The last patch basically fixed the stuttering issue on single card systems, but broke it on multicard ones. But the fact that they are still working on it says that they give a damn.

Wow! Ubisoft is still patching a 8 month old game! One that was virtually unplayable on hardware that should have been running the game ultra fluid??? That's fantastic news! What about a game like Might & Magic Legacy? It's a year old and hasn't seen a patch in 7 months despite an every day barrage of error reporting?

What about Ubisoft's past insistence to include always-on DRM for single player games? What about Ubisoft's delayed PC releases vs. consoles? What about Ubisoft's comments just weeks ago that 30 FPS is better than 60 FPS?

Also, Uplay doesn't just distribute Ubisoft games. You can find games from other publishers on it as well, including Dragon Age Inquisition. And yes it supports voice chat and offline mode.

Glad to hear about voice chat. It's an ultra basic feature that *should* be included. I have never bothered to check, though, because as I have already said, I have no friends populated in my uPlay friends list because I have 2 games that require uPlay. Is it robust? Have you even used it? If so, for what game? (I'm being rhetorical here). What about the two dozen other features I listed that Steam has? What about robust friends features? What about inventory stores for games not yet redeemed? What about a music manager? What about big picture mode? What about massive themed sales that offer incentives to take part in without requiring a purchase? What about community features such as peer reviews? Does UPlay do that? No, they don't. Uplay doesn't exist to offer convenience or improve the customer experience. It exists solely to pad Ubisoft's pocket.

Honestly, the only time I've ever had issues with Uplay was after Watch Dogs launched when the servers were being overwhelmed. It took a few days to sort it out, and since then I haven't had any problems.

Glad for you. I had an issue about 3 months ago where I couldn't even log into Uplay at all. For an entire evening. It was having maintenance issues or something, I can't recall exactly. I thought I might have had a bad password, but Uplay didn't email me a password recent link until the next morning. Awesome. I have never NOT been able to log into my steam account.

Do you see any Valve games on Origin or Uplay?

Yes, yes I do. Their games are on Uplay. Did you bother not to look for yourself before asking this question?

Back to what I originally said, removing games from a service is not "competing." You want competition? Then have as many games on as many services as possible. Bottom line. Let customers choose to buy their game from Origin or Uplay or Steam.

 

[Carfax83]

How is it anymore outrageous than what the console makers get or even EA for that matter. All distribution has a fee. EA takes a fee..etc. Anyone can make a distribution client but it's up to the users to want it and for you to make it likable. Don't be jelly just because Valve has the majority for PC nor Sony or MS for their majority in the console market....make your own if you want to rebel. Just know that eventually if you succeed, someone will make the same comment about your company just as you are now, it's called being a victim of your own success.

You answered your own question. Ubisoft made their own distribution client, and don't have to deal with Steam. So did EA. In fact, EA seemingly severed their relationship with Steam completely on that front, and their Origin client has improved by leaps and bounds.

I actually prefer Origin to Steam now, as they have a generous refund policy, and you can get discounts on new games by exploiting a few loopholes :biggrin:

 

[Carfax83]

Wow! Ubisoft is still patching a 8 month old game! One that was virtually unplayable on hardware that should have been running the game ultra fluid??? That's fantastic news! What about a game like Might & Magic Legacy? It's a year old and hasn't seen a patch in 7 months despite an every day barrage of error reporting?

You made an accusation, and I merely pointed out the fallacy. Ubisoft has good support for the PC, thats a fact..

What about Ubisoft's past insistence to include always-on DRM for single player games? What about Ubisoft's delayed PC releases vs. consoles? What about Ubisoft's comments just weeks ago that 30 FPS is better than 60 FPS?

Since you're now having to resort to incidents that happened in the past, I can assume you're out of valid arguments.. I mean the always on DRM ended before they even launched Uplay, which has an offline mode.

I have never NOT been able to log into my steam account.

That happened to me once. After installing new hardware, I did a fresh OS install and installed Steam. Went through the process, waiting for that e-mail from their server with that password to authenticate my account.

The e-mail took almost 8 hours to arrive because that particular server was down or experiencing technical problems..

Nothing built by man is perfect..

Yes, yes I do. Their games are on Uplay. Did you bother not to look for yourself before asking this question?

No, I never bothered, just like you never bothered to check whether games from other publishers were on Uplay..

Back to what I originally said, removing games from a service is not "competing." You want competition? Then have as many games on as many services as possible. Bottom line. Let customers choose to buy their game from Origin or Uplay or Steam.

I agree with this, but Ubisoft has the right to sell their games exclusively through Uplay, and Uplay just like Steam and Origin, is being improved upon constantly.

They recently did a major update and it's acquired some of the attributes that the Steam and Origin client have possessed for a long time..

 

[chimaxi83]

So we can conclude that one person on this forum likes Uplay and is blind to Ubisoft bull. Ok then.