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werepossum

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Damned shame that the police would brutally gun down an innocent man who is merely trying to read his gun-shaped Bible.

I do agree with your conclusion though. Get behind the cars and have ONE officer point a gun at him.
 
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mizzou

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Her lack of empathy is disturbing. I swear if my wife treated me like that, I would haunt her for the rest of her life.
 
purbeast0

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I don't know anything about this story, but holy shit that is bad. Things have got to change, this shit is just happening too often now a days.
 
JSt0rm

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werepossum said:
Damned shame that the police would brutally gun down an innocent man who is merely trying to read his gun-shaped Bible.

I do agree with your conclusion though. Get behind the cars and have ONE officer point a gun at him.
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progun guy defends somebody being killed for having a gun.
 
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From Reddit:

Also, this article has a much clearer photo. Looks more like a gun than book to me.

emperus said:
The police should release their videos now. Will add more later.

I think we have to reevaluate the role of police and policing in this country. The goal should always be to deescalate situations and mitigate harm not only to themselves but to everyone involved. I don't see that in this video.
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I agree we need better de-escalation training in this country for officers. Shooting should be the absolute last resort. But we also need better training for all civilians too. If a cop tells me to drop the gun you can bet I'm putting it down, getting on the ground with my hands behind my back and will let them walk all over me. Heck I'd probably let them choke me/suffocate me before I get shot.

I really don't understand what this mouth off at cops, push the limit of your rights mentality in this country sometimes. Just shut up, let the cops do their thing, and most likely everyone will walk away happy.
 
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AnonymouseUser

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As expected, the riots were the result of lies with the media fanning the flames (and Soros trucking in trouble-makers).
 
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DLeRium said:
Also, this article has a much clearer photo. Looks more like a gun than book to me.
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That's what I assumed yesterday as well. But I stabilized the footage and you can see the officers using, tossing and handing GLOVES. The object does indeed seem "like a gun" at first but it's gloves.

Correction: It really is "inconclusive" what THIS object is, in the other footage however you see the gloves tossed and I didn't see anything resembling a gun tossed, "secured" or stepped on.

Correction2: According to news sources, police confirmed THIS being a gun in the photo which was "circulated on social media". However, I can not see this gun in both footage, not in the original footage nor in the "second angle footage" - I have in fact no idea how this gun got there since a gun at this position below the guy's feet IT IS NOT SEEN in any of the videos. The position of his feet also don't match any of the two videos, so it's entirely unknown when this photo was taken and how the gun got there.

(In this photo, the guys feet touch. Not so in the two videos)

Addition: The PHOTO must have been taken either before or after the two cell phone videos. According to news the photo was taken "right after" the shots. Which would mean a gun happened to be there (??) but was secured immediately, BEFORE the cell phone filmer even reached the location. Or the photo was taken after any of the two videos and the gun "mysteriously" appeared somehow. Both interpretations are speculation, but it is still noteworthy to mention that the gun only appears in this photo, not in the footage. What we see in the footage however is gloves dropped.

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Ok, it seems to be the "red cop" is kicking the gun (?) back, right when the woman who made the 1st footage is approaching the scene, immediately after the shooting, about the moment where the photo with the gun was taken. The "red cop" is then spending the remaining time "securing" the gun by standing over it. Things are not too clear however but this scenario makes sense to me.
 
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flexy

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mizzou said:
Her lack of empathy is disturbing. I swear if my wife treated me like that, I would haunt her for the rest of her life.
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Very strange behavior to me, almost as if she wasn't too surprised and expected something like this to happen.
Given that the guy had a brain injury and was on meds, this doesn't seem far-fetched to me.
Same with her saying "He won't do anything, he just took his meds"
(As in: "You're lucky he just took his meds because otherwise....").
There's a lot NOT being said but I get a very weird "vibe" from the comments of the lady. That's just my opinion of course.
 
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My only thought to this is why not just do what the police were asking him to do? Why not just stand up, put your hands up, and be compliant? Clearly the police "think" you have a weapon, why not show your hands and prove you do not? Not being compliant with officer requests, commands and finally, demands only escalate the issue to this apex.
 
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wnied said:
My only thought to this is why not just do what the police were asking him to do? Why not just stand up, put your hands up, and be compliant? Clearly the police "think" you have a weapon, why not show your hands and prove you do not? Not being compliant with officer requests, commands and finally, demands only escalate the issue to this apex.
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And here we have the KEY issue with all these including similar, previous events. But asking THE OBVIOUS seems to be not very popular. Even if some of those shootings have been because of misinterpretation of intentions, the best of course would be to be compliant to minimize this risk. It's so obvious, it doesn't even need to be said. Not to mention that some of those shootings in the past (including those who incited riots) included MUCH more than simple "non compliance" (which is stupid by itself), but things like the guy who tried to get an officer's weapon, things like guys pulling replica weapons/paint ball guns or approaching officers with a knife.

No, I am not racist, and pointing out incredible stupidity sure doesn't make me one either.
 
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flexy said:
And here we have the KEY issue with all these including similar, previous events. But asking THE OBVIOUS seems to be not very popular. Even if some of those shootings have been because of misinterpretation of intentions, the best of course would be to be compliant to minimize this risk. It's so obvious, it doesn't even need to be said. Not to mention that some of those shootings in the past (including those who incited riots) included MUCH more than simple "non compliance" (which is stupid by itself), but things like the guy who tried to get an officer's weapon, things like guys pulling replica weapons/paint ball guns or approaching officers with a knife.

No, I am not racist, and pointing out incredible stupidity sure doesn't make me one either.
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Again, I think you are missing the point. No one knows the guys state of mind at that moment, we don't even know if he was mentally able to comprehend the directions the cops were given. What if this was an attempted suicide by cop? The cops obliged. So it goes back to my initial thought. There was no need that this situation escalated. The cops should have formed a perimeter and tried to deescalate the situation. I don't believe anyone was in any immediate danger. That is far easier than killing someone, No?

The thrust of the BLM movement is that police are quicker to shoot black people than if it were a non black person in the same situation. They place less value on black lives. An example being the bombing suspect in NY. Despite setting of bombs intended to kill people, he was captured alive.

Again, I'm not sure what happened in this situation, so I am not saying this man was completely innocent (I have no idea yet), what I am arguing is that police should receive better training in deescalation tactics (like not driving so close to a suspect, putting their lives in danger and then forcing a you or me situation). There also has to be more transparency with the police. The police are here to serve us, they should not automatically get a pass. It is beyond me why the police videos have yet to be released. And I'm not buying the witness tampering argument, seeing the Chief of Police already gave a statement given the polices side of what happened when it initially happened.

Edit: One more point, it's easy to say to be compliant when you aren't getting pulled over disproportionally and esp. while you are doing nothing. I've had guns drawn on me on at least 3 occasions and I will guarantee you it's one of the scariest things to encounter. And when you are scared/nervous you are generally prone to make mistakes.
 
JEDIYoda

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The guy is with jesus now! The cop is under arrest! The cop will be cleared of charges and paid back pay!! A win for everybody!
 
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mizzou said:
Her lack of empathy is disturbing. I swear if my wife treated me like that, I would haunt her for the rest of her life.
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My first thought as well. If a loved one of mine were lying bleeding on the ground, my reaction would not have been keeping a distance and recording on a phone, constantly repeating "he better live".
 
Jaskalas

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nexus5rocks said:
My first thought as well. If a loved one of mine were lying bleeding on the ground, my reaction would not have been keeping a distance and recording on a phone, constantly repeating "he better live".
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What, you'd have suicide by cop too?
It's an intelligent move not to rush the officers.
 
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JSt0rm said:
progun guy defends somebody being killed for having a gun.
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Good twist on facts. Guy killed for having a gun that was illegal and not complying with orders. If the reports are true about him having the gun, and his record.

But you like to try and say things that are knowingly wrong as they are facts. He wasn't killed simply for "having a gun". You can be pro legal gun, and not pro illegal gun you know.
 
JSt0rm

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They should of let the wife talk to him. But they are dumb robots who only know "comply or die"
 
OutHouse

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purbeast0 said:
I don't know anything about this story, but holy shit that is bad. Things have got to change, this shit is just happening too often now a days.
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Until people stop being shitheads and fighting cops it won't change
 
MtnMan

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OutHouse said:
Until people stop being shitheads and fighting cops it won't change
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And this guy is a previously convicted shithead.

"Scott was convicted in April 2004 of a misdemeanor assault with a deadly weapon charge in Mecklenburg County, and other charges were dismissed: including felony assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill, assault on a female, and communicating threats. Scott was also charged with assault with intent to kill in 1995.

The most shocking find in Scott’s record, however, is what occurred in Bexar County, Texas in 2005. In March of that year, Scott was sentenced to 15 months in state prison for evading arrest, and in July, he was consecutively sentenced to seven years on a conviction of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.

Sources are now coming forward and alleging that those two separate convictions are in fact related, and they both have to do with a confrontation between Scott and Bexar County Police in early 2005.

Scott fired a handgun at San Antonio police officers when they attempted to detain him in February 2005 after noticing that he was driving erratically. (Scott had a history of drunk driving, according to court records).

Allegedly, as the officers approached Scott’s black Ford sedan, he fired two rounds from the driver’s seat and then sped away. Neither of the officers was hit, and they proceeded to give chase and detain Scott several blocks away.

While Scott did leave the gun in his passenger’s seat when he attempted to run on-foot, he did, according to our source, assault one officer by punching him in the face.

Scott was released from Texas state prison in 2011."
 
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