Families Sue U.S., Reject 9/11 'Bribe'
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Their true intentions being answers?
And when you sue someone, aren't you automatically asking for damages?
I'm not a lawyer...but ranting about it being "blood money"...then saying "I want more blood money" doesn't quite jibe with me.
But heck, everyone knows that an injury or death is the equivalent of winning the lottery in the US right? Sue sue sue!
Bowfinger
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Wow! Yet another of alchemize's legendary magnificent and informative treatises. Look at the depth, the extensive, well-researched detail, the subtle insight punctuated with sparks of pure brilliance. Thank God it isn't one of those smarmy one-liners you hate so much.
Do you have anything to add, like the source?
Or are you just going to follow me around the board like a toddler chanting "you lose you lose' while saying absolutely nothing of value?
BeauJangles
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Well, I think what he's trying to say is that these group of people have already given up claims to the money the government would give them. ie - they aren't going to collect from this fund. The bigger question is, if they sue the government, will they collect or not?
Or it could be that no amount of money will satisfy them unless it's accompanied by answers. It may just be that, like a few other citizens, they feel like the loss of their loved ones was an avoidable occurance. Maybe they have questions that only might be answered if they filed suit.
Hindsight is 20/20. We know there are criminals out there. Some of them are willing to kill. And yet, murders still happen. We can't stop them all. Should we blame the police for not being able to stop murders from happening even though they know there are criminals out there who are trying to kill people? If someone is killed, should we sue the police?
So the government knew/heard that terrorists had plans to use airplanes as weapons. How is that different from police knowing that there are criminals out there who are planning to use guns as weapons?
Before 9/11 occurred, no one could believe that there are people out there who could actually do such a thing. That's why it was so shocking an event. On that day my heart sank -- I couldn't believe there were people out there who could be so cruel as to plan and execute a horrible murder of almost 3000 innocent people. But now we know.
And when the government tries to prevent another such occurrence, we hear jokes everytime the terror alert goes up. Or complaints from people that "it's not fair to be a little more watchful with Muslims entering our country -- that's discrimination".
If we had arrested or kicked out that student pilot who wanted to learn how to fly (but not to land), the government would have been sued -- because technically, he didn't break any laws.
But if the government did nothing, then they would be sued again because they knew that terrorists had plans to use airplanes as weapons. So, it's the government's fault.
I just wish people would start blaming the real people who are at fault -- those fvcking terrorists.
KK
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I can't believe the government is even paying any money out to any family. As bad as the event was, it's not the job of the government to reimburse these folks. How many times has the government payed out to a murder victim's family? Since the government failed to protect the victim, they should be also be compensated like these 9/11 families. This is a bad precedent they are setting.
KK
KK
Why do people say that 9/11 was unprecendented? Algerian terrorists tried to fly a plane into the Eiffel Tower in 1995.
This is really a tough one because the family of someone that was killed really gets a bum deal. However, I don't understand why anyone is legally entitled to anything. This is why people buy life insurance. The government is just not accountable to individuals (another problem). So, I think that it is just tough sh!t for people in this case.
Now, I have no problem with the families receiving money raised by private charities, and I did donate a substantial amount of cash for this purpose (before anyone gives me a hard time for being cold). My point is that no one is entitled to get a windfall from the government out of this, if you think that the families should get money, donate your money.
Now, I have no problem with the families receiving money raised by private charities, and I did donate a substantial amount of cash for this purpose (before anyone gives me a hard time for being cold). My point is that no one is entitled to get a windfall from the government out of this, if you think that the families should get money, donate your money.
Maybe the government feels that it will have to bail out the airlines after the law suites destroy them.
They may be worse off than we know of. It may have been bad on 911 for the airlines and after 911 they
didn't have a bright future.
The government bailed out the Federal Savings & Loan, maybe the airlines are in the same catigory.
As a tax payer, I don't mind a few bucks going to the 911 families.
But government pay outs arn't even close to fair.
Japanize American families jailed in concentration camps during WW2 got pennies and it took a life time for even an apology?
They may be worse off than we know of. It may have been bad on 911 for the airlines and after 911 they
didn't have a bright future.
The government bailed out the Federal Savings & Loan, maybe the airlines are in the same catigory.
As a tax payer, I don't mind a few bucks going to the 911 families.
But government pay outs arn't even close to fair.
Japanize American families jailed in concentration camps during WW2 got pennies and it took a life time for even an apology?
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I agree, of course they *should'nt* get anything. It's a crime like any other or terrorist act like any other. The desentors ar'nt asking for cash if you read carefully. It's about culpability and they are asking for it.
What made this so special Bush et. al. had to come out just 13 days afterwards with this "payoff"? What was the urgentcy? Why all the clauses? Why has the administration been stonewalling all 9/11 inquires? Why has NO ONE been held responsible dispite additted gaffs and all still have thier positions as if nothing happened? What's the story on Israeli agents being caught filming the event but released by FBI agents after questioning?
Somethings rotten in Denmark.
In WW2 the British wanted USA in the war on their side.
Even though they liked us (I guess), it was to their advantage that we were harmed by their enemys.
It appears highly likely that Israeli agency's would want USA bombed by terrorists, to get us going.
If they knew there was going to be a terrorist attack against us, it would be hard for polititions to tell us.
Then if they did tell us, it would be hard for our polititions to disclose that we were warned and ignored it.
Then it would be likely that our polititions would want a quick pay off to shut the victim up,
and the next step would be to destroy those who investigated.
We've chosen the Israeli side inspite of many NATO resolutions against Israel,
& we had a religious president on 911 who Israel may have thought who would jump into on the Holy War
on their side.
I don't have blind faith in the unproven or politicians.
I don't believe that Americans would elect an honest person as president.
Even though they liked us (I guess), it was to their advantage that we were harmed by their enemys.
It appears highly likely that Israeli agency's would want USA bombed by terrorists, to get us going.
If they knew there was going to be a terrorist attack against us, it would be hard for polititions to tell us.
Then if they did tell us, it would be hard for our polititions to disclose that we were warned and ignored it.
Then it would be likely that our polititions would want a quick pay off to shut the victim up,
and the next step would be to destroy those who investigated.
We've chosen the Israeli side inspite of many NATO resolutions against Israel,
& we had a religious president on 911 who Israel may have thought who would jump into on the Holy War
on their side.
I don't have blind faith in the unproven or politicians.
I don't believe that Americans would elect an honest person as president.
Corn
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What a load of crap. You may deny it Carbo, but you are as liberal as it gets--at least by your actions. "all 9/11 inquires".......
I'm sure you also believe all the jews in the tower got advance notice too..........but then it was never substantiated that the Mossad(sp) agents arrested had advanced knowledge of the attacks, only that they were staking out their own "targets" without our consent or knowledge.
Tighten that tinfoil hat, cuz if Buchannan knew you were gonna throw good money at Dean, he'd surely have you re-programmed, just like Bush is doing this very minute.
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Originally posted by: Corn
What a load of crap. You may deny it Carbo, but you are as liberal as it gets--at least by your actions. "all 9/11 inquires".......
I'm sure you also believe all the jews in the tower got advance notice too..........but then it was never substantiated that the Mossad(sp) agents arrested had advanced knowledge of the attacks, only that they were staking out their own "targets" without our consent or knowledge.
Tighten that tinfoil hat, cuz if Buchannan knew you were gonna throw good money at Dean, he'd surely have you re-programmed, just like Bush is doing this very minute.
My beliefs certainly does'nt come from the mouth of this administration who has told "plausable denial" facts since this war on terror started and forceably fights to destroy the letter of the law in it's constitutional form.
My source was the 60 minutes storys on the mossad agents infiltration/arrest and the 60 minutes interview with the funds coordinator/victims, nothing more. Never heard of Jews in the tower got advanced notice but such a secret sounds impossible to keep.
As far as stonewalling. Please read Clealands blurb.
It's without question they faught tooth-and-nail to launch thier own investigation because they waited a full year to do so and only after repeated pleas from families concerned. Definition = stonewalling. Now where the full accounts of said investigation? Why missing whole county findings where 15/19 hijackers originated? Where are independant investigations..I'd think 3000+ murders is infinity more important than a dress, some white water, and a cigar, no? Wheres a congressional investigation?
Is Pat running? I wish.
Geez, Alchemize, I thought I was cynical about human nature, but your opening post reflects a partisan cynicism that's tough to match, and carries a tone of derision unwarranted by the facts.
These folks just gave up ~$1.8M apiece, no small chunk of change. And they've set out on a very difficult course in an effort to truly understand what happened and why. In order to file suit at all, they have to claim monetary damages- that's how lawsuits work on a purely technical basis.
While the Admin seeks draconian powers to deal with the so-called terrorist threat, invading our privacy and denying due process to suspected terrorists, they hide their own actions behind a veil of national security and obfuscation. Secrecy breeds suspicion, rightfully so. If the Bush Admin has nothing to hide, then they'll give the 9/11 commission anything and everything they want. These are hand picked individuals of great integrity and patriotism- arguments of withholding information on the basis of national security just don't cut it...
Somewhere, deep down inside, even Bush's most ardent supporters know this is true, but find a way to set that aside in the interest of partisan politics. The question of fifty years ago still rings true- Have you no shame?
These folks just gave up ~$1.8M apiece, no small chunk of change. And they've set out on a very difficult course in an effort to truly understand what happened and why. In order to file suit at all, they have to claim monetary damages- that's how lawsuits work on a purely technical basis.
While the Admin seeks draconian powers to deal with the so-called terrorist threat, invading our privacy and denying due process to suspected terrorists, they hide their own actions behind a veil of national security and obfuscation. Secrecy breeds suspicion, rightfully so. If the Bush Admin has nothing to hide, then they'll give the 9/11 commission anything and everything they want. These are hand picked individuals of great integrity and patriotism- arguments of withholding information on the basis of national security just don't cut it...
Somewhere, deep down inside, even Bush's most ardent supporters know this is true, but find a way to set that aside in the interest of partisan politics. The question of fifty years ago still rings true- Have you no shame?
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