Fallujah . . .
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They'll finally be able to extend the Falafel House (commonly known as the Awful Falafel) franchise into Fallujah?
The U.S. attacks Fallujah. Iraq erupts into warfare the same as last Spring.
What a mess. And what was the reason for ending these lives?
Latest from MSNBC and the Associated Press:
Car bombs kill at least 21 in Samarra
20 GIs injured in Sunni Triangle as U.S. girds for Fallujah offensive
The Associated Press
Updated: 9:33 a.m. ET Nov. 6, 2004
NEAR FALLUJAH, Iraq - Insurgents set off at least two car bombs and attacked a police station Saturday in the central Iraqi town of Samarra, killing at least 21 people and wounding 22 in what could be an effort to take pressure off Fallujah, where U.S. forces are gearing up for an assault.
Elsewhere, 20 American soldiers were wounded in the Sunni Triangle city of Ramadi, the U.S. command said without elaborating. Residents of that insurgent stronghold, located 70 miles west of Baghdad, reported clashes and explosions throughout the day.
The attacks in Samarra, 60 miles northeast of Fallujah, occurred in a city that U.S. and Iraqi forces reclaimed from insurgents in September and had sought to use as a model for pacifying restive Sunni Muslim areas of the country.
Early Saturday, however, armed militants stormed a police station, killing 12 policemen and injuring one. In other attacks, a suicide car bomber detonated explosives inside a stolen police car near the mayor's office, a second car bomb exploded near a U.S. base, and a mortar fell on a crowded market.
The dead included an Iraqi National Guard commander, Abdel Razeq Shaker al-Garmali, hospital officials said. The town's mayor was reportedly injured in the car bombing.
Residents said U.S. forces, using loudspeakers to make the announcement, imposed an indefinite curfew on Samarra. American warplanes and helicopters were heard roaming overhead.
In western Baghdad, a suicide car bomber detonated an explosion that wounded three coalition troops, the U.S. military said. The bomber was killed and another occupant in the car was wounded.
More than 10,000 U.S. troops ring Fallujah
The new violence could be aimed at relieving U.S. pressure on Fallujah as American commanders shift their forces for an anticipated showdown there.
Nightly News
More than 10,000 American soldiers and Marines are massed for an expected offensive against Fallujah, and Iraq's interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi warned the "window is closing" to avert an attack.
As the Americans prepare of an offensive, U.S. planes dropped five 500-pound bombs at several targets in Fallujah early Saturday, including a factory as well as suspected weapons caches. The drone of U.S. aircraft heading toward Fallujah could be heard over Baghdad. The U.S. military said the main highway into Fallujah has now been completely sealed off.
U.S. intelligence estimates there are about 3,000 insurgents dug in behind defenses and booby traps in Fallujah, a city of about 300,000 located 40 miles west of Baghdad.
Military planners believe there are about 1,200 hardcore insurgents in Fallujah -- at least half of them Iraqis. They are bolstered by insurgent cells with up to 2,000 fighters in the surrounding towns and countryside.
In Brussels, Belgium, Allawi warned that the "window really is closing for a peaceful settlement" in Fallujah. Allawi must give the final go-ahead for the offensive, part of a campaign to curb the insurgency ahead of national elections planned for January.
Sunni clerics have threatened to boycott the election if Fallujah is attacked, and U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan has warned U.S., British and Iraqi authorities that a military campaign and "increased insurgent violence" could put elections at risk.
Iraqi authorities closed a border crossing point with Syria, and U.S. troops set up checkpoints along major routes into the city. Marines fired on a civilian vehicle that did not stop, killing an Iraqi woman and wounding her husband, according to the U.S. military and witnesses. The car didn't notice the checkpoint, witnesses said.
Insurgents strike back
The insurgents struck back, killing one U.S. soldier and wounding five in a rocket attack. Clashes were reported at other checkpoints around the city and in the east and north of the city late in the day. An AC-130 gunship fired at several targets as U.S. forces skirmished with insurgents, the U.S. army said.
The violence came a day after two Marines were killed and four were wounded in fighting west of Baghdad. The Marine command gave no further details, citing security.
Elsewhere, U.S. Cobra attack helicopters fired Friday on insurgents operating an illegal checkpoint south of Baghdad, killing or wounding an "unknown number" of people, the military said.
Allawi, a secular Shiite Muslim with strong ties to the CIA and State Department, has demanded that Fallujah hand over foreign extremists, including Jordanian terror mastermind Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and his followers, and allow government troops to enter the city.
Allawi faces strong opposition to a Fallujah offensive from the Sunni minority. The Sunni clerical Association of Muslim Scholars has threatened to boycott the January election and mount a nationwide civil disobedience campaign.
A public outcry over civilian casualties prompted the Bush administration to call off a siege in April, after which Fallujah fell under control of radical clerics.
In hopes of assuaging public outrage, Iraqi authorities have earmarked $75 million to repair the damage in Fallujah, Marine Maj. Jim West said. The strategy is similar to one used when U.S. troops restored government authority in the Shiite holy city Najaf in August after weeks of fighting with militiamen.
What a mess. And what was the reason for ending these lives?
Latest from MSNBC and the Associated Press:
Car bombs kill at least 21 in Samarra
20 GIs injured in Sunni Triangle as U.S. girds for Fallujah offensive
The Associated Press
Updated: 9:33 a.m. ET Nov. 6, 2004
NEAR FALLUJAH, Iraq - Insurgents set off at least two car bombs and attacked a police station Saturday in the central Iraqi town of Samarra, killing at least 21 people and wounding 22 in what could be an effort to take pressure off Fallujah, where U.S. forces are gearing up for an assault.
Elsewhere, 20 American soldiers were wounded in the Sunni Triangle city of Ramadi, the U.S. command said without elaborating. Residents of that insurgent stronghold, located 70 miles west of Baghdad, reported clashes and explosions throughout the day.
The attacks in Samarra, 60 miles northeast of Fallujah, occurred in a city that U.S. and Iraqi forces reclaimed from insurgents in September and had sought to use as a model for pacifying restive Sunni Muslim areas of the country.
Early Saturday, however, armed militants stormed a police station, killing 12 policemen and injuring one. In other attacks, a suicide car bomber detonated explosives inside a stolen police car near the mayor's office, a second car bomb exploded near a U.S. base, and a mortar fell on a crowded market.
The dead included an Iraqi National Guard commander, Abdel Razeq Shaker al-Garmali, hospital officials said. The town's mayor was reportedly injured in the car bombing.
Residents said U.S. forces, using loudspeakers to make the announcement, imposed an indefinite curfew on Samarra. American warplanes and helicopters were heard roaming overhead.
In western Baghdad, a suicide car bomber detonated an explosion that wounded three coalition troops, the U.S. military said. The bomber was killed and another occupant in the car was wounded.
More than 10,000 U.S. troops ring Fallujah
The new violence could be aimed at relieving U.S. pressure on Fallujah as American commanders shift their forces for an anticipated showdown there.
Nightly News
More than 10,000 American soldiers and Marines are massed for an expected offensive against Fallujah, and Iraq's interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi warned the "window is closing" to avert an attack.
As the Americans prepare of an offensive, U.S. planes dropped five 500-pound bombs at several targets in Fallujah early Saturday, including a factory as well as suspected weapons caches. The drone of U.S. aircraft heading toward Fallujah could be heard over Baghdad. The U.S. military said the main highway into Fallujah has now been completely sealed off.
U.S. intelligence estimates there are about 3,000 insurgents dug in behind defenses and booby traps in Fallujah, a city of about 300,000 located 40 miles west of Baghdad.
Military planners believe there are about 1,200 hardcore insurgents in Fallujah -- at least half of them Iraqis. They are bolstered by insurgent cells with up to 2,000 fighters in the surrounding towns and countryside.
In Brussels, Belgium, Allawi warned that the "window really is closing for a peaceful settlement" in Fallujah. Allawi must give the final go-ahead for the offensive, part of a campaign to curb the insurgency ahead of national elections planned for January.
Sunni clerics have threatened to boycott the election if Fallujah is attacked, and U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan has warned U.S., British and Iraqi authorities that a military campaign and "increased insurgent violence" could put elections at risk.
Iraqi authorities closed a border crossing point with Syria, and U.S. troops set up checkpoints along major routes into the city. Marines fired on a civilian vehicle that did not stop, killing an Iraqi woman and wounding her husband, according to the U.S. military and witnesses. The car didn't notice the checkpoint, witnesses said.
Insurgents strike back
The insurgents struck back, killing one U.S. soldier and wounding five in a rocket attack. Clashes were reported at other checkpoints around the city and in the east and north of the city late in the day. An AC-130 gunship fired at several targets as U.S. forces skirmished with insurgents, the U.S. army said.
The violence came a day after two Marines were killed and four were wounded in fighting west of Baghdad. The Marine command gave no further details, citing security.
Elsewhere, U.S. Cobra attack helicopters fired Friday on insurgents operating an illegal checkpoint south of Baghdad, killing or wounding an "unknown number" of people, the military said.
Allawi, a secular Shiite Muslim with strong ties to the CIA and State Department, has demanded that Fallujah hand over foreign extremists, including Jordanian terror mastermind Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and his followers, and allow government troops to enter the city.
Allawi faces strong opposition to a Fallujah offensive from the Sunni minority. The Sunni clerical Association of Muslim Scholars has threatened to boycott the January election and mount a nationwide civil disobedience campaign.
A public outcry over civilian casualties prompted the Bush administration to call off a siege in April, after which Fallujah fell under control of radical clerics.
In hopes of assuaging public outrage, Iraqi authorities have earmarked $75 million to repair the damage in Fallujah, Marine Maj. Jim West said. The strategy is similar to one used when U.S. troops restored government authority in the Shiite holy city Najaf in August after weeks of fighting with militiamen.
Now that the election is over we can get back to punching the Tar Baby in Iraq or is it time now to kick.
We might as well just sit on the tar baby. Our a$$es are going to be stuck in Iraq for a long, long time anyhow.
Well we have been holding off on truly doing what needs to be done for the sake of the election. Now that Bush is in for a second term he has no reason to hold back and hopefully we'll boot these guys with everything we have.
You, we got a few billion more we can pour down that sewer, I guess. Sell our children's souls while we're at ti I guess too.
I'd like to point out that it's "these guys'" country we've invaded and they're trying to boot us out. I know
we'd be doing the same if someone invaded our country.
Looks like they are learn about how democracy should work. Don't vote and then bitch about the outcome.
Maybe they don't like our brand of 'democracy'. Invade, conquer, kill, maim, install an expatriate thug as PM, bomb the opposition.
What's next? Diebold to install their voting machines?
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Whenever a countrys Government turns it's guns on it's own citizens - that Government has already lost.
The 'Iraqi Government' - our puppet by proxy, is using our troops, or to say it more correctly,
"Our Government, with the permission of the installed puppet Government, is authorizing our troops,
assisted by an unwilling partisipation of the New ! Improved ! Iraqi Army - now with GL-70 !, to
turn the firepower on the people that do not want us there - period."
The days for the Allawi power are numbered - he is a marked man. We better have a never ending
trunk full of marionetts wainting in the wings, we'll be putting new Howdy Doodys in every few months.
THis is going to be a futil bloodbath, hundreds of civilian casualties, few Terrorists, too many American
Soldiers - and Al Zarqawi is already gone, if he ever was there - or if he really exists.
All they have of this 'al Zarqawi' is a composite drawing, and nobody that actually knows him.
Tar Baby and a Boogy Man.
The 'Iraqi Government' - our puppet by proxy, is using our troops, or to say it more correctly,
"Our Government, with the permission of the installed puppet Government, is authorizing our troops,
assisted by an unwilling partisipation of the New ! Improved ! Iraqi Army - now with GL-70 !, to
turn the firepower on the people that do not want us there - period."
The days for the Allawi power are numbered - he is a marked man. We better have a never ending
trunk full of marionetts wainting in the wings, we'll be putting new Howdy Doodys in every few months.
THis is going to be a futil bloodbath, hundreds of civilian casualties, few Terrorists, too many American
Soldiers - and Al Zarqawi is already gone, if he ever was there - or if he really exists.
All they have of this 'al Zarqawi' is a composite drawing, and nobody that actually knows him.
Tar Baby and a Boogy Man.
Prayers and tears in Falluja
The Iraqi city of Falluja is braced for an assault by US forces massed on its outskirts.
The BBC News website spoke by phone to a reporter in Falluja, who described how people left in the city live on through siege and bombardment. He is not named for security reasons.
"When I hear bombs falling around my neighbourhood, I keep thinking - any moment now, I could be killed.
It is worst during the night, when the bombardment is most intense.
If a big bomb lands somewhere nearby, you often hear crying and wailing afterwards.
It is a very strange feeling because in between the screaming, there is the sound of more missiles flying.
That is when I think - I could be next.
Another sound you hear during the bombing is that of prayers. People pray loudly because they are so scared.
Sometimes, you hear people say quite unusual things - they improvise, making up their own prayers.
US election
We followed the US elections very closely from Falluja.
It was a matter of life and death. Many people were hoping John Kerry would win because they felt he would not have allowed our city to be attacked like this.
Of course, we also know that the US policy in Iraq at large is not going to change. We do not forget that George Bush and John Kerry are two sides of the same coin.
Still, as far as our city is concerned right now, a Kerry victory would have brought some hope.
Roads blocked
I left my old house in the north of the city a month ago, when the Americans began bombing that area all the time.
Now I live with a small group of friends near the centre of Falluja.
We are just men here. All our wives and children have left the city - some we sent to Baghdad, others to quieter areas closer by.
We cook and eat together and spend most of our time in the house.
If you want to leave the house, the safest time to do so is between seven in the morning and one in the afternoon, when the Americans take a break from the bombing.
The souk [market] in the centre of Falluja is open from morning to midday and, fortunately, it has not run out of food so far.
But I can't see how long the supplies will last - two days ago, the government said it was cutting off the roads from Falluja to Baghdad and Ramadi.
I don't know what we will eat then.
I guess we might still be able to grab hold of some meat - I've seen a lot of goats in the city.
There is only one road out of the city that is still open now - but it runs through a checkpoint manned by US soldiers.
We think they're going to cut this route off quite soon as well.
Hospitals
A lot of people have left Falluja. Mostly only men remain.
This used to be a city of 500,000 people.
Now, my guess is there are about 100,000 still here.
Some people who tried to leave earlier on found they had to come back because there was no way of surviving away from their homes.
Iraq is a difficult place to live at the moment. There are not many opportunities.
The hospitals I have seen are full of people but empty of supplies and medicine. The erratic electricity also makes operating difficult.
Ten to 18 new cases are brought in every day.
The injured know they won't get much treatment. They come just to be near the doctor, to hear the doctor talk to them."
The Iraqi city of Falluja is braced for an assault by US forces massed on its outskirts.
The BBC News website spoke by phone to a reporter in Falluja, who described how people left in the city live on through siege and bombardment. He is not named for security reasons.
"When I hear bombs falling around my neighbourhood, I keep thinking - any moment now, I could be killed.
It is worst during the night, when the bombardment is most intense.
If a big bomb lands somewhere nearby, you often hear crying and wailing afterwards.
It is a very strange feeling because in between the screaming, there is the sound of more missiles flying.
That is when I think - I could be next.
Another sound you hear during the bombing is that of prayers. People pray loudly because they are so scared.
Sometimes, you hear people say quite unusual things - they improvise, making up their own prayers.
US election
We followed the US elections very closely from Falluja.
It was a matter of life and death. Many people were hoping John Kerry would win because they felt he would not have allowed our city to be attacked like this.
Of course, we also know that the US policy in Iraq at large is not going to change. We do not forget that George Bush and John Kerry are two sides of the same coin.
Still, as far as our city is concerned right now, a Kerry victory would have brought some hope.
Roads blocked
I left my old house in the north of the city a month ago, when the Americans began bombing that area all the time.
Now I live with a small group of friends near the centre of Falluja.
We are just men here. All our wives and children have left the city - some we sent to Baghdad, others to quieter areas closer by.
We cook and eat together and spend most of our time in the house.
If you want to leave the house, the safest time to do so is between seven in the morning and one in the afternoon, when the Americans take a break from the bombing.
The souk [market] in the centre of Falluja is open from morning to midday and, fortunately, it has not run out of food so far.
But I can't see how long the supplies will last - two days ago, the government said it was cutting off the roads from Falluja to Baghdad and Ramadi.
I don't know what we will eat then.
I guess we might still be able to grab hold of some meat - I've seen a lot of goats in the city.
There is only one road out of the city that is still open now - but it runs through a checkpoint manned by US soldiers.
We think they're going to cut this route off quite soon as well.
Hospitals
A lot of people have left Falluja. Mostly only men remain.
This used to be a city of 500,000 people.
Now, my guess is there are about 100,000 still here.
Some people who tried to leave earlier on found they had to come back because there was no way of surviving away from their homes.
Iraq is a difficult place to live at the moment. There are not many opportunities.
The hospitals I have seen are full of people but empty of supplies and medicine. The erratic electricity also makes operating difficult.
Ten to 18 new cases are brought in every day.
The injured know they won't get much treatment. They come just to be near the doctor, to hear the doctor talk to them."
Then the original Iraq government, Saddam's hell, failed long LONG ago....
I'm sure anyone of the 1000 insurgents in Fallujah would love to see Saddam back in power of just take it for themselfs, they obviously don't want the Iraqi citizens to be in power.
Level it to the ground. We should quit trying to nice. After Fallujah 's gone, level the next propblem area. Sooner or later they will get the message. Saddam is gone... get over it. Iraq has an opportunity to start fresh by having an election to choose their goverment. These insurgents have an excellent example in not accepting reality, all they have to do is listen to CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, or read The New York Times.
So we go into Iraq to destroy their WMD, but there is no WMD. So we change our story and tell the world we invaded Iraq to bring them freedom and democracy, even though no one in Iraq asked for us to do so. Now you suggest we 'level it to the ground' and after Fallujah is gone we 'level the next problem area.' We can level the whole country until there isn't a single Iraqi left that disagrees with us.
Do you see any problem with this policy?
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