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Falluja in pictures

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Shame on this war and the people that excuse it.

Those photos are sad. I didn't think that many civilians would be involved. The media made it seem as if they all left.
 
Shame on the "insurgents" for carrying out this conflict.

God bless the troops who have achieved remarkable goals.
 
Originally posted by: cwjerome
Shame on the "insurgents" for carrying out this conflict.

The insurgents reacted to an invasion. If someone invaded the US claiming Bush stole the election and that we needed regime change would you fight the invaders or not?
 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: cwjerome
Shame on the "insurgents" for carrying out this conflict.

The insurgents reacted to an invasion. If someone invaded the US claiming Bush stole the election and that we needed regime change would you fight the invaders or not?

I agree with you to some degree.
 
Originally posted by: cwjerome
Shame on the "insurgents" for carrying out this conflict.

God bless the troops who have achieved remarkable goals.
So, when do you sign up to help quell the people protecting their homeland from an occupying force? Hmmm?
 
Originally posted by: cwjerome
Shame on the "insurgents" for carrying out this conflict.

God bless the troops who have achieved remarkable goals.

I am impressed by the remarkable goals of children with head wounds, legs blown off, dead.

The US knew there were civilians in Fallujah and they sacrificed them for the ridiculous goal of holding elections in January just because Bush said they would be held then.

To blame the victims is so very neocon of you.

What was that reason Bush gave for his unprovoked invasion of Iraq that has so far cost the lives of 100,000 innocent civilians???

 
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
why in one of the pictures are they all lined up against the wall?
Looks like they just collected the bodies and lined them up for easier bagging?
 
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: cwjerome
Shame on the "insurgents" for carrying out this conflict.

God bless the troops who have achieved remarkable goals.

I am impressed by the remarkable goals of children with head wounds, legs blown off, dead.

The US knew there were civilians in Fallujah and they sacrificed them for the ridiculous goal of holding elections in January just because Bush said they would be held then.

To blame the victims is so very neocon of you.

What was that reason Bush gave for his unprovoked invasion of Iraq that has so far cost the lives of [/b]100,000 innocent civilians???[/b]

Prove it.
 
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: cwjerome
Shame on the "insurgents" for carrying out this conflict.

The insurgents reacted to an invasion. If someone invaded the US claiming Bush stole the election and that we needed regime change would you fight the invaders or not?

I agree with you to some degree.

Depends if they can prove that he stole the electon and if they are actually going to let us elect our own leader or if I like their perferred leader.
 
Lets see. The US is using the US Marines, the US Army, heavy armor, heavy artillery support, stacked air support, helicopters and gunships in conjuction with it's now reestablished (Rumbo's experiments be damned) "overwhelming force" doctrine. That is a lot of power needed to "carry out the conflict" and achive the "remarkable goal".

Not to mention that the US miraculously does not kill civilians but only "insurgents". I wonder how many of the 1,000 plus killed in Falluja simply are civilians caught in the crossfire, or gunned downed when they tried to flee the carnage, or were hit by artillery shells or bombs.

 
Originally posted by: Tabb
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: cwjerome
Shame on the "insurgents" for carrying out this conflict.

God bless the troops who have achieved remarkable goals.

I am impressed by the remarkable goals of children with head wounds, legs blown off, dead.

The US knew there were civilians in Fallujah and they sacrificed them for the ridiculous goal of holding elections in January just because Bush said they would be held then.

To blame the victims is so very neocon of you.

What was that reason Bush gave for his unprovoked invasion of Iraq that has so far cost the lives of [/b]100,000 innocent civilians???[/b]

Prove it.

Prove what?

Are you blind?

 
Originally posted by: Tabb
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: cwjerome
Shame on the "insurgents" for carrying out this conflict.

The insurgents reacted to an invasion. If someone invaded the US claiming Bush stole the election and that we needed regime change would you fight the invaders or not?

I agree with you to some degree.

Depends if they can prove that he stole the electon and if they are actually going to let us elect our own leader or if I like their perferred leader.

Well what if they claimed to have proof but ended up being wrong? What if they had a history of opposing democracy in the third world and supporting friendly dictators and tyrants instead?
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
why in one of the pictures are they all lined up against the wall?
Looks like they just collected the bodies and lined them up for easier bagging?

and then left them to rot?

I for one would hope that I don't just get left out for the flies. They could at least cover them up a bit. Something with some dignity.
 
100,000 civilians did not die. If you look at the actual report it says somewhere between 15,000 and 200,000 civilians died. What is that? They just took the average of it. What's more, the methods that brought them to that number were dubious at best. Go to iraqbodycount.net, which is hardly a conservative site, and it has a real picture with transparent data.

By the way, I'm liberal on almost all issues so please do not accuse me of bias. I'm simply tired of people repeating this misleading and inaccurate number.
 
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
why in one of the pictures are they all lined up against the wall?
Looks like they just collected the bodies and lined them up for easier bagging?
and then left them to rot?

I for one would hope that I don't just get left out for the flies. They could at least cover them up a bit. Something with some dignity.
Lined them up for photos for identification purposes? I'm sure they took care of the bodies properly. At least I hope they did.
 
Originally posted by: Risiko
100,000 civilians did not die. If you look at the actual report it says somewhere between 15,000 and 200,000 civilians died. What is that? They just took the average of it. What's more, the methods that brought them to that number were dubious at best. Go to iraqbodycount.net, which is hardly a conservative site, and it has a real picture with transparent data.

By the way, I'm liberal on almost all issues so please do not accuse me of bias. I'm simply tired of people repeating this misleading and inaccurate number.


It also depends on who you define "civilian"
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
why in one of the pictures are they all lined up against the wall?
Looks like they just collected the bodies and lined them up for easier bagging?
and then left them to rot?

I for one would hope that I don't just get left out for the flies. They could at least cover them up a bit. Something with some dignity.
Lined them up for photos for identification purposes? I'm sure they took care of the bodies properly. At least I hope they did.

I hope so to.

it just bothers me. 🙁
 
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Tabb
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: cwjerome
Shame on the "insurgents" for carrying out this conflict.

God bless the troops who have achieved remarkable goals.

I am impressed by the remarkable goals of children with head wounds, legs blown off, dead.

The US knew there were civilians in Fallujah and they sacrificed them for the ridiculous goal of holding elections in January just because Bush said they would be held then.

To blame the victims is so very neocon of you.

What was that reason Bush gave for his unprovoked invasion of Iraq that has so far cost the lives of [/b]100,000 innocent civilians???[/b]

Prove it.

Sorry, if I didnt bold that from before.

Prove what?

Are you blind?

 
War is hell. Watch apocalypse now, watch saving private ryan, watch real footage from Iraq or elsewhere. There is no debate: war is hell. Now should we be there? Separate issue.
 
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