fairly Badass computer for under $1000

frysad

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Since I am building myself and three friends new computers, I have gone and researched all the components and assembled what I believe represents the current "sweet spot" of cost vs. performance. The resulting system is in my opinion a pretty darn good system for less than a thousand dollars.

I posted the specs and prices on my website (Yahoogle), I would also like to hear feedback/criticism on any (or all) of my selections.

If this sort of thing is useful to anyone, I might keep up on it and leave it there as sort of a reference. You know I've got the time on my hands if you ever saw my last website (frysad.com).
 

beni

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If the systems are going to be used for gaming at all, I would highly recommend an upgrade from the GF3 to a Radeon 8500. It should only add about $50 to the price and it will significantly improve gaming performance.
 

yodayoda

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... and significantly add you more headaches. good call in staying the f*ck away from ATI. never ever again will i make that mistake...
 

m1ke101

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<< and significantly add you more headaches. good call in staying the f*ck away from ATI. never ever again will i make that mistake... >>



ok maybe i wouldn't be that extreme, but i sure will think twice about buying another ati card. i just downgraded from a 8500 to a geforce2 pro and i'm so happy that i did. no more problems to deal with.
 

MillionaireNextDoor

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My 8500 hangs sometimes when doing heavy-duty graphics. But then so did my Geforce2 Ultra. Maybe it's something else...

...or maybe I'm just doing too much. =P
 

Vette73

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On paper the Ati 8500 looks better but ATI still has driver issues.

Also how about the AK35GTR motherboard. Should save some money, and also have the Highpoint raid and C-Media sound card and its a little cheaper. Newegg has it for $115.

But the AMD XP athlon 1700 is what I am going to run, very good price to performance.
 

Cleaner

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I don't know about Newegg but I've ordered multiple times from Tcwo and thier great. The flat rate $6.95 shipping alone is worth ordering! I highly recommend them. In addition thier motherboard + cpu + heatsink/fan combos are a great deal, usually about $20 less than most other reputable dealers. (Expect of course those basement vendors selling on Pricewatch!) :)

As to the video card debate that is raging I have two GeForces2 ( a gts 32mb in a PII 400 and a Ti200 in an Athlon 1.2) they both run great. My roomate had some bad experiences with an ATI, bad card and the replacement ran like crap. Anyways thats my two cents.
 

Pothead

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Cleaner, you gotta come out of the cave more often, most of us here buy from newegg consistently :p
 

uwannawhat

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Nice system. :)

Very similar to mine. I'll probably upgrade my vid card in the future when BB comes through~!
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Amber

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Looks like you did your homework,
the only things I would do dif.
1) go for the 128mb Gforce 3 200 ti ,from new egg it will over clock to 500mhz easy
2) Get the cheep Logitech Keyboard and wheel mouse I think mouse is $6 keyboard $14 but they are alot better
3) watch your shipping some site add up all the shipping as if each was sent solo (not newegg) and trying to save a few $$ this will hurt ,the last shipment I receved of 2 systems from newegg was only $42.00
 

KiltedFool

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From all I've read recently while researching a vid card purchase, going from 64 MB to 128 MB memory is mostly a matter of throwing money at "keeping up with the Joneses". i.e. Very very little performance gain, big spike in cash layout.

If you're going for a GF3, the current sweet spot seems to be either the visiontek Ti200 from newegg with rebate coming in at about $123, best price vs. performance in the GF3 family, or the Gainward Ti200 for overall quality and Ti500 level performance, though it's about $160 or so from newegg.

HTH
KF
 

Krakn3Dfx

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<< If the systems are going to be used for gaming at all, I would highly recommend an upgrade from the GF3 to a Radeon 8500. It should only add about $50 to the price and it will significantly improve gaming performance. >>




Replace Geforce 3 with Radeon 8500? Significantly improve gaming performance?

/me ROTFL!

*ahem*...sorry, had to laugh at the absurdity of that statement. Radeon 8500 is maybe 1-2% faster in a few titles in real world performance, nothing you will EVER see while you're playing. Add to that ATi's spotty driver quality, not to mention that huge image/perfomance scandal, and I tend to sway more towards a Geforce 3. If you doubt that the Radeon has more problems, all it takes is a comparison of the number of forums ports populating 'Radeon 8500 Technical Support' group on rage3d.com as opposed to the 'Video Card Drivers' group on nvnews.net. Both sites I believe adequately represent their respective card brand owners, and while rage3d's technical support group sports a mind blowing 15,000+ posts, nvnews' forum has less than 1000. Show me an Nvidia fan site that has a support forum that even comes close to the number of problems posted on rage3d and I'll eat my words. Until then, NVIDIA RULES!

Krakn3Dfx: Nvidia FanBoy, so bite me.
 

GiGoLo

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Pretty good deal you came up with there....

If I were you tho, I'd invest in the P4 1.6A Northwood / MSI motherboard combo at newegg for 221 + shipping. Link to Thread

Using the same DDR ram you're ordering, you can pretty much be guaranteed a successful overclock of 2.2ghz + (133*16 or higher)

Also, head over here Linky to see current overclocking results. Everyone has been able to get at least 2138 (133*16)

Also, the red PCB on the motherboard matches any gainward video card beautifully.... Just my opinion tho :p
 

lowlevel

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Nice!

The only addition to your list that I *might* suggest is a monitor.

Granted, most people already have a monitor, but perhaps someone is looking for a FULL system upgrade!

:)
 

frysad

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Wow!, thanks everyone for the feedback, I got much more than I expected. Now I will try to answer most of the questions.

GeForce vs Radeon: I hope this thread doesn't degenerate into a GeForce vs. Radeon Battle, not because it is unproductive but because it has been done already. Besides this is the wrong forum. Having said that, rest assured that I did a lot of research before selecting the card I did. At the beginning of my research, it seemed clear to me that the 8500 was the way to go. I only started to waiver after reading some of the forums here regarding driver issues, but I still felt the 8500 would be a better deal as long as the drivers worked with the system I was spec'ing.

What finally convinced me GeForce was the only way to go was a very detailed article that was linked from one of these forums (would you believe I now can't find it again, perhaps someone here can post the link if they know what I am talking abiout). Anyway, this article aong with a discussion of the driver issues, and benchmarks had screen shots from various games from both cards. It was not the screenshots alone that finally convinced me to go GeForce but they were the final factor.

In reality, for the system I am building for myself, I will be making due with my current Geforce 2 Pro until the release of the GeForce 4 Ti 4200, Provided it can be had for $199 as stated in the tom's hardware article. But since I am building complete system for other people I needed to spec something with it.

OS and Software: I choose not to address this issue.

Choice of vendors: I chose only vendors with good reputations that could be researched. If a vendor had a bad rating or no information I would reject them. Some vendors (like a2zcomp.com) had better prices than the items I used but I chose a slightly higher priced item from a different (better reputed) vendor. I also rejected vendors who made it too difficult to figure out shipping costs. Lastly I rejected items that arrived at their price point via a rebate, I don't believe in rebates.

Mouse, Monitor, Keyboard: Although I listed a mouse and keyboard, my thinking is that these items should really be purchased locally. The choice of these items is more of a personal thing. Also, in the case of the mouse and keyboard (the floppy also) the shipping costs as relatees to the total cost is undesireable. I personally always buy my keyboards at Walmart for less than ten bucks. I just walk in start hitting keys until I find one that I like the feel of and thats it. In the case of a monitor I think you should look at them in person and select the one you prefer in the store. Most bargain systems are usually advertised without the monitor, so mine is set up to compare with them more easily.

Modem: My one glaring error, which I am surprised no one pointed out is the lack of a modem. Does everyone have high speed internet these days? I left it out because I don't use one, but my buddies need one in their systems. Anyone have a suggestion that is in keeping with the spirit of my system ??

Again thanks everyone for the input!

Does anyone think keeping this info on the site and updating as times change would be useful? I would really like to use the site for something that's helpful if possible.
 

flashsim

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Thanks for sharing the list! I'm planning to build a similar system and your page saved me hours of research ;)
After reading the article on tomshardware, I want to wait until GF4 Ti4200 release.
Anyone knows the release date for this chip? and video cards?

Thanks,
flashsim
 

wakeboarder

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Nice setup. My recommendation is to get a wireless keyboard and wireless optical mouse if you are going to run anything to your tv. I can sit about 15 feet away from my computer on my couch and watch the output on my 32" tv. Use the optical mouse on your leg, hand, couch arm. Also cuts down on all the wires running around my desk. Adds slightly to the cost but worth it in my opinion. Had the batteries in for over 6 months with no problem.

About what I paid 6 months ago, but I only have a 1.4GHz AMD, 40GB HD, and a 16x CDR. I have a DVD drive and wireless keyboard and mouse in addition. Amazing what can be had for so cheap these days. Paid close to 2Gs for a 200MHz w/ 2GB HD in 96.

From all I've read recently while researching a vid card purchase, going from 64 MB to 128 MB memory is mostly a matter of throwing money at "keeping up with the Joneses". i.e. Very very little performance gain, big spike in cash layout.

Actually 64MB is almost throwing money away. If you run your monitor at true color (32 bit ) at max resolution (2000x2000)(I don't think anyone runs this high but I'll overestimate) each pixel takes 4 bytes. So you need 4 x 2000 x 2000 = 16MB of memory to store the info. In order to max out a 64 MB card you would have to run at 4000x4000 with true color.
 

AlwaysWong

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Interesting... I was looking for a post like this. Good job on Yahoogle. Trouble with me is that I'm lazy... and awfully tempted by that $918 Gateway post that I'm sure we've all read.
 

Vette73

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One thing you can't change is the CPU, AMD All the way.


But if you build your own computer YOU get to pick the parts and built it to what you will be doing, i.e. More games, or photos, etc...

The only pre-built computer I see that has some good stuff is a Compaq 8000 with a AMD athlon XP. It is ranked the BEST computer(even over Gateway and DELL) by PC Mag.

BUt if you don't need the most awesome Video card, then check out newegg's GTS-V 32 mg DDR ram for only $49. I just ordered one. I am going to wait for the GF4 4200ti card. Should be around the same price as a GF3 ti200 is now.