Failed a huge psychology project and now have a meeting with the dean of students

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: NakaNaka
Originally posted by: Czar
the teacher is so wrong on this

keep us updated, if the collectivenes of this forum can help then it definetly will, good luck

Agreed. Your best bet is to prove to the Dean that it wasn't intentional, since you cited it, then ask to be dropped from the class, since the teacher has put you in an unfair hole on a technicality.

what's to prove?? just looking at the section tells you he didn't INTEND to plagiarize. he put the reference RIGHT above the quote.

what kind of moron would attempt to plagiarize by PUTTING the reference in the same fvcking paragraph?
 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: nick1985
i emailed the chair of the psych department to have a discussion with them about my paper and what they think should be done. this way i will get an unbiased opinion with the paper before my meeting with the dean on thursday

that sounds like a sound plan

good luck man
 

cerebusPu

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the meeting is thursday? urgh...Im not gonna remember this thread.

I asked an editor at work how its suppose to be done. she says make it a block quote (That is no quotation marks) and cite it with a footnote at the end of the list.
 

Kibbo

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Yeah, this should not have been considered anything more than an error, and marks docked accordingly.

If it was an upper-year reasearch course, then maybe marks docked significantly. You really shouldn't have made that error, especially considering that the absence of blocked text should be glaringly obvious on even a cursory proofread. And if you didn't know the form, then you deserve a docked mark.

But a plagiarism accusation is BS, man. That kind of thing is a serious allegation, and it is irresponsible for the prof to take it lightly. Unless, of course, there is some super-strict policy in place in your school, and the prof is just pasing the buck up the line to save his own ass.
 

bsobel

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Originally posted by: nick1985
i emailed the chair of the psych department to have a discussion with them about my paper and what they think should be done. this way i will get an unbiased opinion with the paper before my meeting with the dean on thursday

Don't suppose you'd like to post the email address of the professor who started all this?
 

yukichigai

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Originally posted by: mugs
I don't even believe that's an improper citation... you don't have to put quotes around a block quote. I'm not sure if that applies to a bulleted list though.
I seem to remember something like that, but I suck at citation.

Regardless, your intent was obvious. This is not plagarism; plagarism is an attempt to pass off someone else's work as your own. You did no such thing.
 

yukichigai

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Nick, do me a favor: scan in a copy of that page of your paper, or put the document up somewhere we can get at it. I want to print out the section as it was presented to your professor and see how the professors here interpret(sp?) it. If any other college-going ATers offer to participate that'd be cool.
 

cmdavid

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worst case scenario is it too late to drop/withdraw from the class without academic accountability? meaning you would get a "W" on your transcript but no official grade or effect on your gpa... I wouldnt try and go through the course risking that if I lost any ponit from here on out I would get a D...
 

TheLonelyPhoenix

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Like everyone else is saying, incorrect documentation != plagarism. The school should let you off, its obvious you didn't intend to pass someone else's work off as your own. The teacher is being an asshole and you should fight this to the end.
 

nick1985

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Originally posted by: yukichigai
Nick, do me a favor: scan in a copy of that page of your paper, or put the document up somewhere we can get at it. I want to print out the section as it was presented to your professor and see how the professors here interpret(sp?) it. If any other college-going ATers offer to participate that'd be cool.

i dont have a scanner nearby. :eek:

can i email it to you?
 

nick1985

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Originally posted by: bsobel
Originally posted by: nick1985
i emailed the chair of the psych department to have a discussion with them about my paper and what they think should be done. this way i will get an unbiased opinion with the paper before my meeting with the dean on thursday

Don't suppose you'd like to post the email address of the professor who started all this?

I think that would be a bad idea at the moment ;)
 

Kipper

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Plagiarism isn't to be taken lightly, accidental or otherwise. You have to remember that academia is constructed on the honesty and sincerity of individuals to respect intellectual property (in a sense) so it's understandable why they take it seriously.

How exactly do you forget to put in quotes? :confused:

Edit: That was a comment in general about plagiarism, which is apparently what the OP's professor is calling it. I don't know about an incorrect citation, but that seems rather difficult to do in my experience.
 

BigJ

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Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
Plagiarism isn't to be taken lightly, accidental or otherwise. You have to remember that academia is constructed on the honesty and sincerity of individuals to respect intellectual property (in a sense) so it's understandable why they take it seriously.

How exactly do you forget to put in quotes? :confused:

There's a difference between outright plagarism and incorrect citation. He did not act as though he took the work from the book as his own.
 
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Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
Plagiarism isn't to be taken lightly, accidental or otherwise. You have to remember that academia is constructed on the honesty and sincerity of individuals to respect intellectual property (in a sense) so it's understandable why they take it seriously.

How exactly do you forget to put in quotes? :confused:

you wouldn't be confused if you had read the thread.
 

damonpip

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Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
Plagiarism isn't to be taken lightly, accidental or otherwise. You have to remember that academia is constructed on the honesty and sincerity of individuals to respect intellectual property (in a sense) so it's understandable why they take it seriously.

How exactly do you forget to put in quotes? :confused:

Edit: That was a comment in general about plagiarism, which is apparently what the OP's professor is calling it. I don't know about an incorrect citation, but that seems rather difficult to do in my experience.


According to several of the people on here, the OP may actually have done the citation correctly.
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: damonpip
Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
Plagiarism isn't to be taken lightly, accidental or otherwise. You have to remember that academia is constructed on the honesty and sincerity of individuals to respect intellectual property (in a sense) so it's understandable why they take it seriously.

How exactly do you forget to put in quotes? :confused:

Edit: That was a comment in general about plagiarism, which is apparently what the OP's professor is calling it. I don't know about an incorrect citation, but that seems rather difficult to do in my experience.


According to several of the people on here, the OP may actually have done the citation correctly.

he may have, he might not have. but that's the point. it's INCORRECT PUNTUATION not PLAGIARISM.

is there anyone that read that post that seriously believes there is even the slightest chance that someone would read that as he claiming the quote is his own?
 

nick1985

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Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: damonpip
Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
Plagiarism isn't to be taken lightly, accidental or otherwise. You have to remember that academia is constructed on the honesty and sincerity of individuals to respect intellectual property (in a sense) so it's understandable why they take it seriously.

How exactly do you forget to put in quotes? :confused:

Edit: That was a comment in general about plagiarism, which is apparently what the OP's professor is calling it. I don't know about an incorrect citation, but that seems rather difficult to do in my experience.


According to several of the people on here, the OP may actually have done the citation correctly.

he may have, he might not have. but that's the point. it's INCORRECT PUNTUATION not PLAGIARISM.

is there anyone that read that post that seriously believes there is even the slightest chance that someone would read that as he claiming the quote is his own?

Im not trying to sound like an ass, but i couldn't give 2 shits about incorrect punctuation at this point. :eek:
 

Kipper

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Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
Plagiarism isn't to be taken lightly, accidental or otherwise. You have to remember that academia is constructed on the honesty and sincerity of individuals to respect intellectual property (in a sense) so it's understandable why they take it seriously.

How exactly do you forget to put in quotes? :confused:

There's a difference between outright plagarism and incorrect citation. He did not act as though he took the work from the book as his own.

If the bulleted points were copied verbatim from the article/book/etc. ALTHOUGH it is cited, I can see how someone could possibly interpret it as passing off the words of another individual summarizing his own work as one's own, given the complete absence of quotes...and that could be construed as plagiarism.

OP, your best bet is to talk it out with everybody you can.
 

sniperruff

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without reading the 3 pages, all i can say is that every paper written on a college level, especially research papers, requires a significant amount of references and quotes. just tell them that you don't know. if that doesn't work, i'd drop the class.

good luck.
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
Plagiarism isn't to be taken lightly, accidental or otherwise. You have to remember that academia is constructed on the honesty and sincerity of individuals to respect intellectual property (in a sense) so it's understandable why they take it seriously.

How exactly do you forget to put in quotes? :confused:

There's a difference between outright plagarism and incorrect citation. He did not act as though he took the work from the book as his own.

If the bulleted points were copied verbatim from the article/book/etc. ALTHOUGH it is cited, I can see how someone could possibly interpret it as passing off the words of another individual summarizing his own work as one's own, given the complete absence of quotes...and that could be construed as plagiarism.

OP, your best bet is to talk it out with everybody you can.

again, it was posted several times, but many styles of research papers allow for no quotes when the citation is more than 40 words. you just have to block it.

again, it is a FORMAT error not plagiarism.
 

jmgonzalez

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Originally posted by: nick1985

i need 1 of 2 things right now:
:beer:
: Pvssy;

both will work i guess....this day sucks
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My question is:

Did you get either of these?

And, good luck with fighting this accusation