Fahrenheit 9/11 To Be Up For Best Picture Oscar

[dmcowen674]

9-6-2004 Moore to Pursue Best Picture Oscar

LOS ANGELES - Michael Moore says he won't submit "Fahrenheit 9/11" for consideration as best documentary at this year's Academy Awards. Instead, he's going for the bigger prize of best picture.

Moore's critically acclaimed film slams President Bush (news - web sites)'s war on terror as ill-advised and corrupt. The movie has cheered Democrats but enraged the president's supporters, who booed Moore when he visited the Republican National Convention last week.

"For me the real Oscar would be Bush's defeat on Nov. 2," Moore told The Associated Press during a phone interview Monday from New York.

Edit: Update from a new thread - DVD Release Oct 5th with 100 extra minutes.

 

[conjur]

wow...could you imagine *that* acceptance speech?

 

[glenn1]

The winner of the election will have already been determined and sworn in before the Academy Awards even kick off.

And while the Administration was obviously not happy about F9/11, they didn't obsess about it either. They didn't do something like sue to try to keep it out of theaters or constantly try to denigrate the maker of the film for weeks on end and thus keeping the accusations in the news spotlight, they just took the momentary heat and thus the whole thing blew over relatively quickly. Unlike the Abu Ghraib scandal where the Administration took a posture of denial thus ensuring it remained front page news for weeks. Kerry could have learned a lot from watching Bush handle the F9/11 thing and acted similarly when the SBVFT thing blew up, and it probably would have done a lot less damage.

 

[Infohawk]

Let's see if some Faux Fan Boys can stop themselves from attacking Michael Moore now.

I am sitting down to watch the movie for the first time[\b]

I'll be sure to let you know what I think.

 

[PatboyX]

i thought that the whole cuba thing ruined his chances?
or did they decide that was a bootleg?

also: its good that he wont go for doc.
there are a lot of good docs out right now and itd be a shame for an "easy" win like F9/11 to pick it up due to popularity...

 

[RabidMongoose]

Wow, it would be incredibly sad if F 9/11 wins Best Picture.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: PatboyX
i thought that the whole cuba thing ruined his chances?
or did they decide that was a bootleg?

also: its good that he wont go for doc.
there are a lot of good docs out right now and itd be a shame for an "easy" win like F9/11 to pick it up due to popularity...

No, that didn't ruin anything. It was not an authorized broadcast.

 

[ntdz]

F 9/11 isnt technically a documentary.

A work, such as a film or television program, presenting political, social, or historical subject matter in a factual and informative manner and often consisting of actual news films or interviews accompanied by narration.

http://www.davekopel.com/Terro...-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm

The movie is litered with lies and deciets, and therefore should be considered a fictional movie and should only be up for best picture.

 

[CycloWizard]

Yeah, I was going to say that F9/11 probably didn't qualify as a documentary. There has to be some kind of regulations, even for the Oscars, on representation of fact in film for it to be a documentary.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Wow, it would be incredibly sad if F 9/11 wins Best Picture.

It could win, but only if it is up against: Torque, White Girls, Baby Geniuses 2, and Catwoman. Heck, I had to remove Alien vs Predator from that list, as I'm not sure it could even beat that.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Yeah, I was going to say that F9/11 probably didn't qualify as a documentary. There has to be some kind of regulations, even for the Oscars, on representation of fact in film for it to be a documentary.

What factual errors were there in Fahrenheit 9/11? Sure, Moore presented his facts to bolster his particular point of view. He's acknowledged that himself. I've yet to see anyone refute the facts themselves, however.

All in all, I found it more factual than your typical Dick Cheney or Zell Miller Bush campaign speech.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: ntdz
F 9/11 isnt technically a documentary.

A work, such as a film or television program, presenting political, social, or historical subject matter in a factual and informative manner and often consisting of actual news films or interviews accompanied by narration.

http://www.davekopel.com/Terro...-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm

The movie is litered [sic] with lies and deciets [sic], and therefore should be considered a fictional movie and should only be up for best picture.

<ahem>

Debunking '59 Deceits in Fahrenheit 9/11'
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/7/18/173312/462

 

[Slick5150]

Actually, he's not even submitting it for an Oscar:

Link to his own words

 

[Kibbo]

9/11 doesn't deserve an Oscar, because it wasn't a good film. Bowling for Columbine did deserve an Oscar, because it was a good film.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Yeah, I was going to say that F9/11 probably didn't qualify as a documentary. There has to be some kind of regulations, even for the Oscars, on representation of fact in film for it to be a documentary.

What factual errors were there in Fahrenheit 9/11? Sure, Moore presented his facts to bolster his particular point of view. He's acknowledged that himself. I've yet to see anyone refute the facts themselves, however.

All in all, I found it more factual than your typical Dick Cheney or Zell Miller Bush campaign speech.

This one! Proof!

 

[1EZduzit]

It was an informative movie. If you haven't seen it, I would recommend it.

 

[Infohawk]

Wow. I just got done watching F911. All I have to say is

for the innocent young people that George W. Bush sent to their deaths.

The neocons on this board reminded of the woman who was scolding the woman who had lost her son in Iraq. Cheers.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Kibbo
9/11 doesn't deserve an Oscar, because it wasn't a good film. Bowling for Columbine did deserve an Oscar, because it was a good film.

Yup..there are so many better choices than F 9/11 for Best Picture.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Yeah, I was going to say that F9/11 probably didn't qualify as a documentary. There has to be some kind of regulations, even for the Oscars, on representation of fact in film for it to be a documentary.

What factual errors were there in Fahrenheit 9/11? Sure, Moore presented his facts to bolster his particular point of view. He's acknowledged that himself. I've yet to see anyone refute the facts themselves, however.

All in all, I found it more factual than your typical Dick Cheney or Zell Miller Bush campaign speech.

This one! Proof!

Oops, my bad, forgot about that. While it's trivial, totally irrelevent to the point of the scene, it is, nonetheless, an inaccuracy. I will hereby stipulate that Fahrenheit 9/11 has been shown to have one trifling inaccuracy. Let me revise my earlier comment:

What material factual errors were there in Fahrenheit 9/11? Sure, Moore presented his facts to bolster his particular point of view. He's acknowledged that himself. I've yet to see anyone refute any key facts, however. All in all, I found it more factual than your typical Dick Cheney or Zell Miller Bush campaign speech.


Is that better? The overall portrait of Bush isn't any better because of a minor change in a quick flash of a newspaper. I think it's insanely partisan to focus on that one or two second shot instead of the content of the other ~6,000 seconds, but YMMV.

 

[Taggart]

MM should definetely submit his film for best picture, it would win EASILY because the academy never votes for the true 'best film' in an artistic sense, but the one that they become attached to emotionally or want to make a statement with (or is the most spectacular or whatever i.e. Gladiator). The Hollywood left-wing elite love his sh!t.

 

[Infohawk]

Considering he got boos when he critized the chimp lasat time I don't see how he would win the award for best picture but maybe hollywood is more fed up with the shrub than before?

but the one that they become attached to emotionally or want to make a statement with (or is the most spectacular or whatever

So you've narrowed it down to emotions; message; and spectactularity. It must be some kind of cabal indeed.

 

[EXman]

This is a fricking laugh but these are the same assh0les that give a child rapist and fugitive from justice (polanski) an award.

I saw it made $120 million that is what MM is really all about.

 

[Taggart]

Originally posted by: EXman
This is a fricking laugh but these are the same assh0les that give a child rapist and fugitive from justice (polanski) an award.

I saw it made $120 million that is what MM is really all about.

They also gave the Best Picture Oscar to Titanic. I mean COME ON!!

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: EXman
This is a fricking laugh but these are the same assh0les that give a child rapist and fugitive from justice (polanski) an award.

I saw it made $120 million that is what MM is really all about.

Did you see the movie? It is about how much money the Bushes and Bin Ladens exchanged but it's also about a lot more.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: EXman
This is a fricking laugh but these are the same assh0les that give a child rapist and fugitive from justice (polanski) an award.

I saw it made $120 million that is what MM is really all about.

Did you see the movie? It is about how much money the Bushes and Bin Ladens exchanged but it's also about a lot more.

I don't Pay for Propoganda sure I am not qualified to say it is a bad movie I just don't like the way he markets it as a documentary when in fact it is not. He has taken artistic License turned it around and convinced the masses he is a journalist and he is reporting with this pseudomentary. not to mention I don't like the way he is profiteering off nearly 5K dead. I question his motives and I will not line his pockets.