Face of Islam? -- Gang Raped 13 year old girl Stoned to Death under Sharia Law.

[WhipperSnapper]

Since Israel and the Palestinians are in the news again, I thought now might be a good time to add some context by starting a discussion about Islam. A greater understanding of the nature of this religion might add context to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Which culture is more likely to be on the side of reason and individual rights?

This is old news, but a search of this forum for "Aisho" failed to bring in any hits and I think that her story needs to be told in order to add context to our understanding of Islam. Also, this poor murder victim needs to be remembered.

A 13 year old Somalian girl, Aisho Ibrahim Dhuhulow, was murdered by stoning in Somalia in April 2008. She had been gang-raped by 3 people and then notified the authorities (al-Shabab).

Stoning Victim 'Begged for Mercy'

Court authorities have said the woman came to them admitting her guilt.

She was asked several times to review her confession but she stressed that she wanted Sharia law and the deserved punishment to apply, they said. But a witness who spoke to the BBC's Today programme said she had been crying and had to be forced into a hole before the stoning, reported to have taken place in a football stadium. "More than 1,000 people arrived there," he said. "After two hours, the Islamic administration in Kismayo brought the lady to the place and when she came out she said: 'What do you want from me?'" "They said: 'We will do what Allah has instructed us'. She said: 'I'm not going, I'm not going. Don't kill me, don't kill me.' "A few minutes later more than 50 men tried to stone her."

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According to Amnesty International, nurses were sent to check during the stoning whether the victim was still alive. They removed her from the ground and declared that she was, before she was replaced so the stoning could continue.

(According to another source, this removal, examination, and reburial process was carried out three times. I can't find a direct site for this (Amnesty International maybe?) but I've seen it written at numerous blogs.)

Of course, honor killings of women still occur frequently in the Arab world.

If you are a Muslim, how does this story make you feel? In your view, are the stone throwers and authorities responsible for this true Muslims? Was this stoning consistent with Sharia Law and Islam?

 

[fallout man]

Since Israel and the Palestinians are in the news again, I thought now might be a good time to add some context by starting a discussion about Islam. A greater understanding of the nature of this religion might add context to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Which culture is more likely to be on the side of reason and individual rights?

This is old news, but a search of this forum for "Aisho" failed to bring in any hits and I think that her story needs to be told in order to add context to our understanding of Islam. Also, this poor murder victim needs to be remembered.

A 13 year old Somalian girl, Aisho Ibrahim Dhuhulow, was murdered by stoning in Somalia in April 2008. She had been gang-raped by 3 people and then notified the authorities (al-Shabab).

Stoning Victim 'Begged for Mercy'




(According to another source, this removal, examination, and reburial process was carried out three times. I can't find a direct site for this (Amnesty International maybe?) but I've seen it written at numerous blogs.)


Of course, honor killings of women still occur frequently in the Arab world.



If you are a Muslim, how does this story make you feel? In your view, are the stone throwers and authorities responsible for this true Muslims? Was this stoning consistent with Sharia Law and Islam?

Dude, seriously?

Somalia?

Who cares about that shit-hole.

 

[Nik]

Islam is a religion of peeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaace

 

[Genx87]

Dude, seriously?

Somalia?

Who cares about that shit-hole.

You under some impression this thread is about Somalia?

 

[Tangerines]

Religion of peace strikes again!

 

[Cheeseplug]

Face of Christianity?

(Kampala) - The rebel Lord's Resistance Army (LRA) killed at least 321 civilians and abducted 250 others, including at least 80 children, during a previously unreported four-day rampage in the Makombo area of northeastern Democratic Republic of Congo in December 2009

http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2010/03/28/dr-congo-lord-s-resistance-army-rampage-kills-321

LRA rebels have killed 1,600 Congolese civilians and abducted more than 2,500 since September 2008, after peace talks broke down.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/02/niangara-congo-villagers-massacre

 

[IGBT]

in islam it's a mans world. right or wrong. coming to a neighborhood near YOU.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Face of Christianity?

I didn't see anything in the articles stating that the "Lord's Resistance Army" was Christian nor that Christian governments anywhere in the world stone people for adultery or for being raped. What you should do is point to murders of abortion doctors.

(I'm atheist and advocate atheist, reason, individual rights, so I don't really have a bone in the fight as to whether or not Christianity is a violent religion that the world would be better without. I certainly am not an advocate of Christianity and would prefer if it would disappear, but I don't perceive it as being a huge threat since, in practice it is pretty secular compared to Islam.)

 

[Sinsear]

Islam, religion of peace.

 

[Noobtastic]

Dude, seriously?

Somalia?

Who cares about that shit-hole.

I know right. Palestinians deserve all the attention and aid.

Maybe we should parachute some Zionists over Somalia and maybe the UN and EU would give a shit.

 

[NeoV]

because people in other religions have never killed anyone for stupid reasons

 

[theeedude]

Bunch of sickos.

 

[CKent]

because people in other religions have never killed anyone for stupid reasons

Not to the extent muslims do. There are 50-100% more christians in the world than muslims, yet when one kills someone in the name of their god it's headline news for 2 weeks. Remember George Tiller?

Muslims average over 1 suicide bombing a day. Hit up the BBC's website, they're the second most pro-muslim news service behind Al-Jazeera, and even their middle east page reads like a war zone.

As far as the OP, I'm surprised they bothered with such an old lady. Usually they prefer single-digit ages for their rape victims, aka wives. Just like their prophet.

 

[ProfJohn]

because people in other religions have never killed anyone for stupid reasons

Can you give an example of another religion that advocates the killing of their own members in the way that Islam does?

Being raped = stoned to death
Adultery = stoned to death

 

[ProfJohn]

-snip-

Nice avatar.

I hope you removed all the rocks from around your house

 

[Jadow]

Islam is a religion of peeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaace

and the Koran is such a great spiritual book of love and peace. LOL

 

[Danube]

Even rape is allowed under Sharia in some cases (a reason rapes by Muslim immigrants in Scandinavian countries went way up. Scandinavian pols blamed their women for the way they dressed).

It's too bad libs excuse rad Islam as they do.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Can you give an example of another religion that advocates the killing of their own members in the way that Islam does?

Being raped = stoned to death
Adultery = stoned to death

Wouldn't orthodox Christianity and Judaism also advocate that based on the Bible? Thing is, those religions are highly secular today and no one would take those parts of the Bible seriously. (In contrast, some Muslim governments have taken it seriously though in recent years Iran has banned the practice.)

 

[CKent]

Even rape is allowed under Sharia in some cases (a reason rapes by Muslim immigrants in Scandinavian countries went way up. Scandinavian pols blamed their women for the way they dressed).

It's too bad libs excuse rad Islam as they do.

In addition to evading blame under the premise that they're uncontrollable animals and that women ask for it by dressing slutty (she was like, totally showing an ankle!), most muslim men have no concept of marital rape. It's simply unthinkable that a wife wouldn't do her duty, which is to say nothing as the man does whatever he wants.

 

[OrByte]

Islam, religion of peace.

Its sort of like "Fair and Balanced"

right?

 

[Hacp]

While it is tragic, it is best to leave these things to sort themselves out. There are more pressing matters to worry about at home. We're fucked up enough already, we don't have time worrying about how other people are more fucked up.

 

[Lemon law]

Can you give an example of another religion that advocates the killing of their own members in the way that Islam does?

Being raped = stoned to death
Adultery = stoned to death

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Oh how quickly we forget Christianity especially during the Hundred years war. The slaughter of fellow Christians for any reason and by any means. Burning witches and burning at the stakes were particular favorites, and torture is a long favored Christian family tradition.

But yes by all means, we Christians have come a long way baby since, excepting GWB&co who newly reinvented Torture, but lets see, we in the USA still held slaves until 1865, did not grant women the right to vote until 1912, and still cannot pass a equal rights amendment to our constitution even at the present time.

Yet we expect other cultures that are more mired in the times of Alexander the Great to be as enlightened as we are?

Maybe we need to look at our cultural rear view mirror when we were at the level of culture they are at now. Back in those good old days when women had no rights and were simply property, and rulers were selected on the divine rights of nobility.

But oh goodie, we in the USA are truly enlightened by our military, as we go half way around the world and burn women children house and villages to enlighten clueless Muslims, and then are amazed when they conclude they want to be anything but exactly like us.

Maybe we should stay at home where we can barb ague children at oh what a cookout Wako. And cheer up, we Americans still get to be gay bashers.

It makes so proud to be an cultural American I could puke. But be it resolved, to experience the highest form of culture on the planet, go visit Jane Goodal and join some upland gorillas.

 

[kage69]

Sick news from a predictable locale. But "Face of Islam"? Nope.

Those of you quick to point fingers at extremism and zealotry need to recall the manner in you which you dismiss the likes of Warren Jeffs, or a multitude of Catholic priests, standing as an example of all of Christendom.

I take comfort in knowing that these sick fucks and their fundie interpretations are in the minority. For every ultra conservative Pakistani or Somali managing to keep their worldviews in the 15th century, there are thousands of muslims throughout the ME and Asia who live in the now and do the exact same thing most American christians do regarding their bibles: pick and choose, and generally ignore the crazy shit.

It's a sickening tragedy and I hope it receives plenty of exposure, muslim moderates need to denounce it outright. Criticism from the outside doesn't carry the same weight, works that way in all cultures.

 

[RedCOMET]

I know right. Palestinians deserve all the attention and aid.

Maybe we should parachute some Zionists over Somalia and maybe the UN and EU would give a shit.

Lol... No, if they had oil, then the US would give a shit...

But in other news.. what your telling me is that its ok to gang bang a chick and then kill afterwards under Sharia Law... Gee sign me up

 

[kylebisme]

and the Koran is such a great spiritual book of love and peace. LOL

I doubt even one Islamophobe here has ever read more than a few out of context quotes from it. Granted, a lot of Muslims obviously haven't really taken it in either, as nothing in it rightly suggests punishing rape victims, let alone by stoning them to death.