FAA to Air Traffic Control wannabees:

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rudder

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If you are not biologically diverse enough for the agency... forget going to a school that has a certified FAA ATC program or forget about trying to use your military ATC experience... we are not going to give you an interview.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...trollers-ignoring-qualified-students-and-vets

Being a pilot and having flown professionally at major airports, I am aware of the special aptitude it takes to be an air traffic controller. This is a high stress job and there is a reason why controllers work in 2 hour blocks then get breaks. So the FAA is taking these graduates who will require little on the job training and put them below more diverse people off the street who will need a lot of training thinking this all makes sense.
 

Mursilis

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Welcome to government. This is nothing new.

To give an example, our legal department in a large federal agency just promoted a minority female to a team lead position. She had 7 years of experience, and was promoted over numerous white males who had 15+ years of experience, including one candidate with 25 years at the agency. All received "excellent" ratings on the evaluation factors. Every candidate *knew* why the decision was made, but knew it was pointless to protest - this is just the way gov't is run.
 
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OutHouse

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Yea i watched this when channel 7 ran the story. Its seriously fucked up and flat out racist discrimination.
 

PokerGuy

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You just don't get it, you need some fresh brainwashing until you realize that racism in the name of some worthy goal (like fighting racism) is perfectly fine in the eyes of lefties. Just like intolerance in the name of fighting intolerance is fine according to them.

This is the kind of stupidity that puts people's lives in danger for no logical reason. Race should have absolutely nothing to do with it: hire the best people, end of story.
 

schmedy

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I work for the FAA, and ATC is such a highly overblown complex or stressful job. They should ask Natca, the Air Traffic Union's stance on this new hiring practice, I will ask a few of the controllers later today. I do know the overall hiring of the FAA is crap, and they are under staffing so many of the jobs, one of the huge issues behind this is sequestration, and they are making us all do more with less people. All over the US there have been tons of people who have retired with no replacement, and that is to the point we have been told none will ever come.
 

nehalem256

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Just offer to suck the interviewers dick. Given the push for LGBT people that should satisfy the diversity requirement.
 

Exterous

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I work for the FAA, and ATC is such a highly overblown complex or stressful job. They should ask Natca, the Air Traffic Union's stance on this new hiring practice, I will ask a few of the controllers later today. I do know the overall hiring of the FAA is crap, and they are under staffing so many of the jobs, one of the huge issues behind this is sequestration, and they are making us all do more with less people. All over the US there have been tons of people who have retired with no replacement, and that is to the point we have been told none will ever come.

This article really surprises me given all that I have heard about staffing and experience issues. I mean, if you have staffing issues now and a looming glut of retirees with no real replacement that will soon make things worse wouldn't you want to make sure the people you hired were the best candidates? Its like the FAA wants to fail

I guess we'll need a few years of 'close calls' plastered all over the news before this gets fixed....
 

hal2kilo

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Something is seriously wrong with the FAA. They should have had a total GPS centric flight management/traffic control system 15 years ago. The company I work for demonstrated a GPS flight control system at least 25years ago. A european airline in Switzerland bought a couple. Boeing laughed at us cus we weren't one of the big boys in flight electronics.
 

rudder

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Something is seriously wrong with the FAA. They should have had a total GPS centric flight management/traffic control system 15 years ago. The company I work for demonstrated a GPS flight control system at least 25years ago. A european airline in Switzerland bought a couple. Boeing laughed at us cus we weren't one of the big boys in flight electronics.

Up until a few years ago the FAA was buying vacuum tubes from the only manufacturer in Poland in order to use in their radar systems. So I am not surprised by what you say.
 

schmedy

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The Administrator came out the other day talking about privatization so you see where the top of the agency wants things to go. As for GPS, we have it, but it is backed up by ground based radar systems. The reason things have not rolled out faster is not that we are resistant to change or we like the old equipment, but congress has not given us a true budget in the last 8 years, they at the last minute gave us a one year CR, so we have no ability to plan ahead.
 

Ronstang

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Just another illustration as to why governments are so ineffective and perform so poorly. Why anyone with any ability would want to work for a government is beyond me.....then again considering most government employees I have had to deal with....
 
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