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F-22 Raptor vs. F-15 Eagle
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The F-22 has no competition in the skies right now, unmatched in what it can do. Shame it had to cost so much 
North of me is an air base and they have been running flights 18 hours a day for about two weeks now as a training engagement. Some people are complaining from the noise, but most are used to it. Jets flying over your house at 1am isn't the normal, usually they stop before 9pm but the past two weeks it has been all hours, especially night training.
North of me is an air base and they have been running flights 18 hours a day for about two weeks now as a training engagement. Some people are complaining from the noise, but most are used to it. Jets flying over your house at 1am isn't the normal, usually they stop before 9pm but the past two weeks it has been all hours, especially night training.
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The F-22 has no competition in the skies right now, unmatched in what it can do. Shame it had to cost so much
It's a shame that there's no more funding to produce additional units either.
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Russia is cooking up something which may have similar capabilities.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_PAK_FA
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Russia is cooking up something which may have similar capabilities.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_PAK_FA
Yeah, we had a big discussion on that a while back:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2067082
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Daedalus685
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They certainly have their list of failures.. but I'm not sure the f-22 is exactly a beacon of perfect execution to be holding in front of them. The program got you 187 planes (160ish currently)... and likely not a single unit more than that given the f35.
Besides that, the Russians have one hell of an air force and are willing to sell to the Chinese... Don't count them out.. and at worst they'd end up with a glorious waste of Chinese money that produces a few dozen planes, which isn't all that far behind the f-22..
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The F-35 isn't anywhere near an F-22 in performance. The F-22 can cruise at mach 1.8 without even using the afterburner, while the F-35 has a top speed of mach 1.8 with all engines maxed out.
Some other points
F-22A carries twice as many air-to-air missiles as the F-35A
F-22A tactically employs at nearly twice the altitude and at 50% greater airspeed than the F-35A and gives air-to-air missiles a 40% greater employment range and increased lethality and also increases air-to-ground weapons employment range.
F-22A can control more than twice the battle space of the F-35A .F-22 sensors can scan 70,000 square miles in 10 minutes, F-35 31,000 square miles.
F-22A AESA radar has more T/R elements than F-35 radar
F-22 features vectored thrust, giving it twice the maneuverability of an F-35
The F-22 can turn at twice the rate of an F-35
Supercruise expands potential kill zones; half as many F-22s needed as F-35 to cover same area
The only downside to the F-22 is the cost.
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The F-22 has no competition in the skies right now, unmatched in what it can do. Shame it had to cost so much
North of me is an air base and they have been running flights 18 hours a day for about two weeks now as a training engagement. Some people are complaining from the noise, but most are used to it. Jets flying over your house at 1am isn't the normal, usually they stop before 9pm but the past two weeks it has been all hours, especially night training.
The brought the F-22 to the air show in Toronto a couple years ago. For those who don't know the area, it's held right downtown on the waterfront. They got so many complaints from nearby condo owners, it's not welcome back. :awe:
That's the only time I likes my noise.
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Do they use the island airport for that? I flew in there a few times with Porter Airlines. Beats the hell out of driving in from Pearson.
Actually I hear the Russian's answer to the Abrams is pretty bad ass.
Problem is there's nobody with the cash to buy it.
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Well.. yes.. but that does not change the fact that no more f-22s will be bought in favour of replacing the current forces with f-35s instead.... The only downside happens to be the only factor the government ever considers.
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That is where the air show is (general area and stage for the more mundane planes) but an F-22 is not allowed to deploy from a base without arresting gear. The only one equipped was in Trenton (one of our larger air force bases) which they used as a backup but I believe in this case the f-22 came in from across the lake for the show (there is a reserve base in Niagara falls).
My roommate is often part of the crew called to install the arresting gear in the southern Ontario area. I don't recall if he had seen the f-22 in Trenton or was simply there in case it needed to land. The CF-18s all certainly came from Trenton, as did the snowbirds.
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The rest fly out of Pearson. Billy Bishop/Toronto Island is too small for jets. They need a longer runway than prop planes do. A comparable 737 needs about double the runway length as a Dash 8 does.
<--- know squat about planes but does the F35 look exactly identical to the F22 because I remember reading something about the F35 is based off of the F22? I'm not talking about abilities/materials/etc, just the architecture. That said, could you tell from the looks if a fighter is an F22 or F35?
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Realize that the F22 is inherently unstable. Damages to the Flight Computer and/or control services will brick it quickly.
I am unsure if the F35 will have the same problem.
I am unsure if the F35 will have the same problem.
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Did they have many jets other than the military ones? I know the stunt prop planes are often flying around the island.. full air show or not. Not sure why someone would want to go see a 747 at an air show though.. lol. The CF-18s often do drills over the base in Petawawa for fun (or something..), though the griffins are far more common to see over the river than any plane. They are based in Quebec these days, Trenton only gets a patrol in now and then or a special event stop over.
In any event, planes are bloody cool
. Even Canada is on the f-35 band waggon.. lol. Though I'm not sure why we need $16billion worth of fighter planes..
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I see what he means.. in the same way one can tell what year a car was made by its looks to the point that anyone who knows little about historical cars would have a hard time telling the difference between luxury cars of the same era.
The f-35 and f-22 are both Gen 5. They have similar angles both because that is what is aesthetically pleasing today, and because they need to have stealth and performance characteristics that are in the same ball park. There are certainly similarities in shape beyond having wings and a pointy front.
I'm planning on becoming a pilot, but I still don't know whether or not to go the AF route or the commercial route. Regardless I'd love to fly an f-22, but the f-35 wll suffice!
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