ProfJohn
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Nice picture.
?Doing an unauthorized fly by, 30 days, having a picture you can hang on your wall for life, priceless.?
I lived in the VaBeach area for years. Before 9-11 there was no fence on the south side of the main runway and you could walk out into the field and stand right under the planes as they landed. Could read the names of the guys flying them. Pretty awesome sight.
F-18's are great jets, but they are much louder, something that has upset a lot of residents around the air bases.
My brother lives a few miles from their practice landing strip, when they do night touch and goes it is loud as hell outside and annoying when inside. Either way they are a beautiful thing to watch.
Awesome jet. I recall seeing one at an air show years ago
Inverted 45 degrees, full thrust at 80 knots if I remember correctly....damn exciting.
Inverted 45 degrees, full thrust at 80 knots if I remember correctly....damn exciting.
Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
Originally posted by: spacejamz
Cool pic...
have a question though...does anyone know if a Phoenix missile was ever actually used to destroy a hostile target at over a 100 miles out? Those missiles were over $1 million a pop and if IIRC, the F-14 was designed just so it could carry this type of missile...
wonder how many Phoenix missiles there were? Wasn't the F-14 the only plane capable of launching this missile?
Two confirmed lauunches, no confirmed kills
Could possibly be the biggest bust of any weapon aside from Star Wars
Not exactly. The Soviets never attacked a carrier battle group. It did its job perfectly.
mooncancook
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foghorn67
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yep. Phoenix was a scary detterent.Originally posted by: Sukhoi
Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
Originally posted by: spacejamz
Cool pic...
have a question though...does anyone know if a Phoenix missile was ever actually used to destroy a hostile target at over a 100 miles out? Those missiles were over $1 million a pop and if IIRC, the F-14 was designed just so it could carry this type of missile...
wonder how many Phoenix missiles there were? Wasn't the F-14 the only plane capable of launching this missile?
Two confirmed lauunches, no confirmed kills
Could possibly be the biggest bust of any weapon aside from Star Wars
Not exactly. The Soviets never attacked a carrier battle group. It did its job perfectly.
Babbles
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Like any other warm-blooded American male, I have that certain soft-spot for the Tomcat.
Also, it has been my understanding that there is no plane now or planned (i.e. F-35) that can actually fulfill all of the roles that the F-14 performed. That is the Super Hornet can do some stuff, the F-22 other roles, but none of them as well as the F-14. At least that has been my impression of things.
Babbles
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Originally posted by: preslove
I wouldn't say it is a myth in so much as just greatly misunderstood. If I remember correctly, the purpose of that particular exercise was to see how much opposition force was needed to overcome two (I think) F-18s. So, the purpose was to 'defeat' the American force to determine what the limits of US tactics were.
I believe (and I could very well be wrong) that it ended up being that the American F-18 were not allowed to use the AWACS or to shoot down the Indian planes from a certain distance and the F-18s were greatly outnumbered. So in essence you had a situation where every possible downside could be applied to the US forces.
preslove
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Originally posted by: Babbles
Originally posted by: preslove
I wouldn't say it is a myth in so much as just greatly misunderstood. If I remember correctly, the purpose of that particular exercise was to see how much opposition force was needed to overcome two (I think) F-18s. So, the purpose was to 'defeat' the American force to determine what the limits of US tactics were.
I believe (and I could very well be wrong) that it ended up being that the American F-18 were not allowed to use the AWACS or to shoot down the Indian planes from a certain distance and the F-18s were greatly outnumbered. So in essence you had a situation where every possible downside could be applied to the US forces.
Huh. Sounds like I was taken in by u.s. military propoganda for obtaining F22's
This is sad. Now, think about this one. One day, in about 60 years, they're going to retire the B-52. The plane will have been with us for over a century. We've barely been capable of flight for that long. The day that happens will be very interesting indeed.
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: Babbles
Originally posted by: preslove
I wouldn't say it is a myth in so much as just greatly misunderstood. If I remember correctly, the purpose of that particular exercise was to see how much opposition force was needed to overcome two (I think) F-18s. So, the purpose was to 'defeat' the American force to determine what the limits of US tactics were.
I believe (and I could very well be wrong) that it ended up being that the American F-18 were not allowed to use the AWACS or to shoot down the Indian planes from a certain distance and the F-18s were greatly outnumbered. So in essence you had a situation where every possible downside could be applied to the US forces.
Huh. Sounds like I was taken in by u.s. military propoganda for obtaining F22's
Yes and no. What is true is that the IAF SU-30MKIs did very well against the USAF opfor. The Su-30MKI was shown to be significantly superior to the Su-27 that it is based on, which was a surprise.
0roo0roo
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Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: Babbles
Originally posted by: preslove
I wouldn't say it is a myth in so much as just greatly misunderstood. If I remember correctly, the purpose of that particular exercise was to see how much opposition force was needed to overcome two (I think) F-18s. So, the purpose was to 'defeat' the American force to determine what the limits of US tactics were.
I believe (and I could very well be wrong) that it ended up being that the American F-18 were not allowed to use the AWACS or to shoot down the Indian planes from a certain distance and the F-18s were greatly outnumbered. So in essence you had a situation where every possible downside could be applied to the US forces.
Huh. Sounds like I was taken in by u.s. military propoganda for obtaining F22's
well thats politics
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: Babbles
Originally posted by: preslove
I wouldn't say it is a myth in so much as just greatly misunderstood. If I remember correctly, the purpose of that particular exercise was to see how much opposition force was needed to overcome two (I think) F-18s. So, the purpose was to 'defeat' the American force to determine what the limits of US tactics were.
I believe (and I could very well be wrong) that it ended up being that the American F-18 were not allowed to use the AWACS or to shoot down the Indian planes from a certain distance and the F-18s were greatly outnumbered. So in essence you had a situation where every possible downside could be applied to the US forces.
Huh. Sounds like I was taken in by u.s. military propoganda for obtaining F22's
Then you're a fool. Planes like the F-14 through F-18 were introduced in the 70s. Over 3 decades later and they're still being used. We're not the only country in the world, and there is actual competition - other countries also build such fighter jets, if we didn't update our own arsenal we'd lose the advantage. The F-22 brings about many technological advances (such as stealth) designed to help keep our pilots alive as well as increase the chance of mission success.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-22
Still, when you consider that the F-18 first entered service in the navy in 83, and it took until 2006 for the navy to finally have a version that could replace the F-14, that says a lot in my book for the Tomcat.
The JSF (joint strike fighter) will eventually replace the earlier versions of the Hornet, and increase the fighter capacity of the navy. Still, the various versions of the F-18 have done an admirable job of replacing a multitude of aircraft (F-4, A-6, A-7 & now F-14, amongst others). But nothing will ever be as sexy as the F-14 on full afterburner, going off the deck of a navy carrier!
So long, Tomcat. Good knowin' ya!! :brokenheart:
The JSF (joint strike fighter) will eventually replace the earlier versions of the Hornet, and increase the fighter capacity of the navy. Still, the various versions of the F-18 have done an admirable job of replacing a multitude of aircraft (F-4, A-6, A-7 & now F-14, amongst others). But nothing will ever be as sexy as the F-14 on full afterburner, going off the deck of a navy carrier!
So long, Tomcat. Good knowin' ya!! :brokenheart:
One thing to note, I've seen the F-18E versions lately at airshows, and the first thing that sticks out is just how big the F-18 has become. It used to be a medium sized aircraft, in between the F-16 and F-15 in size, but now it's quite large, about the size of the F-15.
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