F-117's being mothballed

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DAYTON, Ohio (AP) -- The world's first attack aircraft to employ stealth technology is slipping quietly into history.

Technicians service an F-117 stealth fighter after it arrived at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio, on Monday.

The inky black, angular, radar-evading F-117, which spent 27 years in the Air Force arsenal secretly patrolling hostile skies from Serbia to Iraq, will be put in mothballs next month in Nevada.

Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio, which manages the F-117 program, will have an informal, private retirement ceremony Tuesday with military leaders, base employees and representatives from Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico.

The last F-117s scheduled to fly will leave Holloman on April 21, stop in Palmdale, California, for another retirement ceremony, then arrive on April 22 at their final destination: Tonopah Test Range Airfield in Nevada, where the jet made its first flight in 1981.

The government has no plans to bring the fighter out of retirement, but could do so if necessary.

"I'm happy to hear they are putting it in a place where they could bring it back if they ever needed it," said Brig. Gen. Gregory Feest, the first person to fly an F-117 in combat, during the 1989 invasion of Panama that led to the capture of dictator Manuel Noriega.

The Air Force decided to accelerate the retirement of the F-117s to free up money to modernize the rest of the fleet. The F-117 is being replaced by the F-22 Raptor, which also has stealth technology.

Fifty-nine F-117s were made; 10 were retired in December 2006 and 27 since then, the Air Force said. Seven of the planes have crashed, one in Serbia in 1999.

Stealth technology used on the F-117 was developed in the 1970s to help evade enemy radar. While not invisible to radar, the F-117's shape and coating greatly reduced its detection.

The F-117, a single-seat aircraft, was designed to fly into heavily defended areas undetected and drop its payloads with surgical precision.

A total of 558 pilots have flown the F-117 since it went operational. They dub themselves "bandits," with each given a "bandit number" after their first flight.

Feest, who is Bandit 261, also led the first stealth fighter mission into Iraq during Desert Storm in 1991. He said the fire from surface-to-air missiles and anti-aircraft guns was so intense that he stopped looking at it to try to ease his fears.

"We knew stealth worked and it would take a lucky shot to hit us, but we knew a lucky shot could hit us at any time," he said.

Incredibly, not one stealth was hit during those missions, he said.
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Maybe I haven't been paying close attention but this came as a shock to me. This is the first I've heard of their retirement, I was under the assumption that they would be on active duty for quite some time.

Sad to see it go, it was a plane waaayyy ahead of its time and still has some life left. :beer:
 

BrownTown

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The F117 is more of a "proof of concept" plane than a functional military plane. It is slow, has a very small payload and is very expensive to maintain. However you can take solace in the fact that while the F117 has met its end the work done to develop it has lead to our next generation of stealth planes which unfortunately for the F117 far exceed it in terms of military usefullness.

Basically an F22 is just as stealthy, and FAR better in every other way than the F117.
 

StageLeft

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These are already popping up on Ebay with a buy-it-now of only $1400. Local pickup only.
 

GTaudiophile

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Amazing how attached some can get to a weapon or to any thing.

Amazing how you get attached to your socialist/Liberal/Hate everything military philosophy.
 

dphantom

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Originally posted by: maddogchen
Originally posted by: Skoorb
These are already popping up on Ebay with a buy-it-now of only $1400. Local pickup only.

what? they can't fly them to me?

They could but you would never see them coming. ;)
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Amazing how attached some can get to a weapon or to any thing.

Amazing how you get attached to your socialist/Liberal/Hate everything military philosophy.

You really don`t understand MoonBeam at all do you?
If you did your opinion of him would be far different!

Peace!
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: maddogchen
Originally posted by: Skoorb
These are already popping up on Ebay with a buy-it-now of only $1400. Local pickup only.

what? they can't fly them to me?
Well, it can be arranged with the seller, but even a 500 mile flight is gonna cost you $25k.

 

freegeeks

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that plane in Serbia did not "crashed", it was shot down by the Serbs. Apparantly is was not so stealth
 

BeauJangles

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Originally posted by: freegeeks
that plane in Serbia did not "crashed", it was shot down by the Serbs. Apparantly is was not so stealth

Your grammar, however, did "crashed and burned" in this post.
 

freegeeks

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Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
Originally posted by: freegeeks
that plane in Serbia did not "crashed", it was shot down by the Serbs. Apparantly is was not so stealthy

Your grammar, however, did "crashed and burned" in this post.

english is my third language, any other questions?
 

BrownTown

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Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Amazing how attached some can get to a weapon or to any thing.

Amazing how you get attached to your socialist/Liberal/Hate everything military philosophy.

You really don`t understand MoonBeam at all do you?
If you did your opinion of him would be far different!

Peace!

Seems like a good understanding of MoonBeam to me, maybe you can enlighten us to how is something else?
 

NTB

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Originally posted by: Kntx
7 out of 59 crashed? Wow, that is a pretty unsafe plane!

not necessarily unsafe, but it is (was?) inherently unstable. The F-117 was, if I remember correctly, one of the first completely fly-by-wire aircraft ever produced. Without computers to monitor and adjust the control surfaces, the odds of keeping one in the air are pretty slim, from what I've seen & heard.

Nathan
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Amazing how attached some can get to a weapon or to any thing.

Amazing how you get attached to your socialist/Liberal/Hate everything military philosophy.

:confused:

That really didn't seem to have anything to do with a lefty or anti-military philosophy, I think Moonie's point was that he thinks emotional attachment to objects (especially ones designed for killing people) is kind of strange. Attachment to PEOPLE, yes...attachment to a plane, a little harder to understand.

But don't worry, I'm sure the liberals really are out to get you...keep fighting the good fight ;)
 

Zorba

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At least one of the crashes happened when a wing fail off because mechanics only put in 1 out of 6 bolts.
 

jpeyton

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7 crashed? What a piece of crap.
 

ayabe

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Originally posted by: freegeeks
that plane in Serbia did not "crashed", it was shot down by the Serbs. Apparantly is was not so stealth

Yeah they fired a tons of missles where they thought the plane would be and got lucky. Not to say that you aren't correct, but the air force was getting complacent and was running the same routes night after night, so the Serbs knew where they would be.

Anyways, I just want to say that being a fan of aviation doesn't make you a war monger.
 

preslove

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So, is the F22 really as stealthy as the F-117? I knew that the F22 was "stealthy," but didn't realize that it was as good on this front as the F-117.