Eypt - Mursi calls December 15 referendum, Islamists rally (200,000 Mursi supporters)

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Mursi and his gang of Islamist (The Muslim Brotherhood) are moving fast to consolidate their power. And yes they have the man power to counter those who oppose them on the streets. These guys had this covered from day one IMHO and only the naive or willfully ignorant in Egypt and in the world didn't see this coming when the Muslim Brotherhood swept into power in Egypt.

http://news.yahoo.com/islamists-rally-behind-mursi-egypts-rifts-widen-091452668.html

Mursi calls December 15 referendum, Islamists rally

CAIRO (Reuters) - Egypt's President Mohamed Mursi called a December 15 referendum on a new constitution, hoping to end protests over a decree expanding his powers, as at least 200,000 of his Islamist supporters rallied in Cairo on Saturday.

Approval of the constitution drafted by an assembly stacked with Mursi's Islamist allies will override the November 22 decree that temporarily shielded Mursi from judicial oversight and triggered statements of concern from Western governments.

The decree plunged Egypt into its worst crisis since Mursi won office in a June election and sparked countrywide protests and violence in which two people have been killed and hundreds injured. This hit an economy just showing signs of recovery.

"I renew my call for opening a serious national dialogue over the concerns of the nation, with all honesty and impartiality," said Mursi after receiving the final draft from the constituent assembly. "We must move beyond the period of confrontation and differences, and get on to productive work."

The constitution is meant to be the cornerstone of democracy after three decades of army-backed autocracy under President Hosni Mubarak. Yet drafting it has been divisive, exposing splits between newly empowered Islamists and their opponents.

Protesters in an open-ended sit-in in Cairo's Tahrir Square, which was also the focus of demonstrations against Mubarak, accuse Mursi's Muslim Brotherhood of trying to impose a flawed constitution.
Leading opposition figure Mohamed ElBaradei said on Twitter that "struggle will continue" despite the referendum and that the draft constitution "undermines basic freedoms."

Liberal figures including former Arab League chief Amr Moussa pulled out of the constituent assembly last month, as did representatives of Egypt's Christian minority.
The draft constitution contains Islamist-flavored language which opponents say could be used to whittle away human rights and stifle criticism. It forbids blasphemy and "insults to any person", does not explicitly uphold women's rights and demands respect for "religion, traditions and family values".


The text also limits presidents to two four-year terms, requires parliamentary approval for their choice of prime minister, and introduces some civilian oversight of the military - although not enough for critics.
Mursi described it as a constitution that fulfilled the goals of the January 25, 2011 revolution that brought an end to Mubarak's rule. "Let everyone - those who agree and those who disagree - go to the referendum to have their say," he said.

JUDGES TO SUPERVISE VOTE

To hold the referendum, Mursi will depend on a judiciary which has been on partial strike over the November 22 decree, and which he and the Brotherhood suspect of links to the Mubarak regime. Judges oversee elections in Egypt.

Vice President Mahmoud Mekky said he trusted the judiciary would supervise the vote, state news agency MENA reported. Mursi is betting the Islamists' core supporters and ordinary Egyptians fed up with instability will pass the constitution. While Mursi only secured the presidency by a slim margin, the Islamists have won all elections since Mubarak was toppled.
The opposition must decide whether to urge a boycott or a "No" vote in the referendum. If they secure a "No", the president could retain the powers he has unilaterally assumed.

The referendum call met with cheers from the pro-Mursi rally at Cairo University. Streets were clogged with those sympathetic to the Muslim Brotherhood and more hardline Salafi parties.
The rally was a show of strength by Islamists who feel under attack from leftist, liberal and socialist parties. By early evening, the crowd peaked at at least 200,000, said Reuters witnesses, basing estimates on previous Cairo rallies. Authorities declined to give an estimate for the crowd's size. "The people want the implementation of God's law," chanted flag-waving demonstrators, many bussed in from the countryside.


Tens of thousands of Egyptians protested against Mursi on Friday, chanting: "The people want to bring down the regime," echoing a trademark slogan of the revolts against Arab leaders.
Rival demonstrators threw stones after dark in the northern city of Alexandria and a town in the Nile Delta. Similar clashes erupted again briefly in Alexandria on Saturday, state TV said.

Mohamed Noshi, 23, a pharmacist from Mansoura, said he had joined the rally in Cairo to support Mursi and his decree. "Those in Tahrir don't represent everyone. Most people support Mursi and aren't against the decree," he said. Egypt cannot hold a new parliamentary election until a new constitution is passed. The country has been without an elected legislature since the Supreme Constitutional Court ordered the dissolution of the Islamist-dominated lower house in June. The court is due to meet on Sunday to discuss the legality of parliament's upper house. "We want stability. Every time, the constitutional court tears down institutions we elect," said Yasser Taha, a 30-year-old demonstrator at the Islamist rally in Cairo.

(Additional reporting by Marwa Awad, Yasmine Saleh and Tamim Elyan; Writing by Alistair Lyon and Tom Perry; Editing by Myra MacDonald and Jason Webb)
 
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irishScott

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As if we needed any more evidence that an Islamic country and Democracy don't mix. Any literalist interpretation of the Koran produces a culture that makes Democracy a sin, plain and simple.
 

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If they want stability in the form of a stone age civilization, be my guest. People who chose not to learn lessons of the past deserves to fail.
 

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As if we needed any more evidence that an Islamic country and Democracy don't mix. Any literalist interpretation of the Koran produces a culture that makes Democracy a sin, plain and simple.

Agreed. Get CIA plants to hold a rally in a certain location and hit em with a MIRV nuke warhead. The world will be a better place without them. Let's see how god's law holds up against a fission-fusion bomb.
 
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Agreed. Get CIA plants to hold a rally in a certain location and hit em with a MIRV nuke warhead. The world will be a better place without them. Let's see how god's law holds up against a fission-fusion bomb.

Lets make ourselves worse than they are. No.

It's their own dictatorship and they have to work it through. It does eliminate credibility though. I gave Morsi the benefit of the doubt, but I'm done with that.
 

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Lets make ourselves worse than they are. No.

It's their own dictatorship and they have to work it through. It does eliminate credibility though. I gave Morsi the benefit of the doubt, but I'm done with that.

The Islamic world that seeks to establish a caliphate is a current and succinct threat to the western world; it threatens the font of modern civilization. You can't allow yourself to compromise when you're facing an opponent that doesn't know mercy.
 
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So does this mean that all those morons who said the MB was not Islamic were wrong? When are they going to admit the truth?

I warned about these guys and the whole arab spring being a failure, they replaced dictators with Islamic dictators
 

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The Islamic world that seeks to establish a caliphate is a current and succinct threat to the western world; it threatens the font of modern civilization. You can't allow yourself to compromise when you're facing an opponent that doesn't know mercy.

Oh please. Don't be such a bed wetter.
There is enough infighting and subversion the Muslim world they would never all band together like that. Even if they did, what would they do, collectively hurl rocks at us.

Let them work their dictatorship out. I hope no one thought arab transformation would be that easy. We'll be watching this for decades.
 

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Oh please. Don't be such a bed wetter.
There is enough infighting and subversion the Muslim world they would never all band together like that. Even if they did, what would they do, collectively hurl rocks at us.

Let them work their dictatorship out. I hope no one thought arab transformation would be that easy. We'll be watching this for decades.

Rocks... right. That's why Iran is working on ICBMs and nuclear weapons.
 
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Oh please. Don't be such a bed wetter.
There is enough infighting and subversion the Muslim world they would never all band together like that. Even if they did, what would they do, collectively hurl rocks at us.

Let them work their dictatorship out. I hope no one thought arab transformation would be that easy. We'll be watching this for decades.

Yes they would, there already taking over the US and Europe and eventually it will be too late
 

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My My My, how impatient this forum is. As we give the Arab Spring only six months to a year be fully up and running. And on that stinking thinking, many forum members rush to say they have already have reverted to new dictatorships. '

Or the USA can look at itself in 1776 when we proclaimed a newly minted declaration of Independence. Five hard years of fighting followed until Lord Cornwallis was forced to surrender at Yorktown. It then took another decade to draft our constitution and elect our first President in George Washington in 1792. And even then we went into civil war 69 years later
 
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My My My, how impatient this forum is. As we give the Arab Spring only six months to a year be fully up and running. And on that stinking thinking, many forum members rush to say they have already have reverted to new dictatorships. '

Or the USA can look at itself in 1776 when we proclaimed a newly minted declaration of Independence. Five hard years of fighting followed until Lord Cornwallis was forced to surrender at Yorktown. It then took another decade to draft our constitution and elect our first President in George Washington in 1792. And even then we went into civil war 69 years later

How dare you compare the US to them, have you no shame?

The arab spring is a failure, we have seen what happened, maybe they will get freedom but they dont believe in real freedom so the arab spring is a failure

They want freedom only when it suits them, what about the freedom to leave a religion how many of them would support that?

The freedom to criticize Islam, how many people would support that?

Small, limited government is essential to freedom, how many of them would support that?
 

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My My My, how impatient this forum is. As we give the Arab Spring only six months to a year be fully up and running. And on that stinking thinking, many forum members rush to say they have already have reverted to new dictatorships. '

Or the USA can look at itself in 1776 when we proclaimed a newly minted declaration of Independence. Five hard years of fighting followed until Lord Cornwallis was forced to surrender at Yorktown. It then took another decade to draft our constitution and elect our first President in George Washington in 1792. And even then we went into civil war 69 years later

It took mere months for Morsi to seize power and make it a dictatorship, which never happened in the US, for the purpose of creating a Sharia based theocracy without the permission of those who elected him. Impatient? Yes with tyranny that you so easily excuse. An act that betrays his own people, demonstrates a complete lack of trustworthiness, and doubt on Egypt's leadership in any capacity.

It figures you would have no problem with that.
 

irishScott

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My My My, how impatient this forum is. As we give the Arab Spring only six months to a year be fully up and running. And on that stinking thinking, many forum members rush to say they have already have reverted to new dictatorships. '

Or the USA can look at itself in 1776 when we proclaimed a newly minted declaration of Independence. Five hard years of fighting followed until Lord Cornwallis was forced to surrender at Yorktown. It then took another decade to draft our constitution and elect our first President in George Washington in 1792. And even then we went into civil war 69 years later

Last I checked we didn't have 200,000 strong protests supporting someone trying to be the "king" of the newly freed colonies. I think a better analogy would be the French after the initial French revolution.

The Muslim Brotherhood is behind this guy en mass, and frankly it looks like he could be Egypt's Robespierre.

I can't say I'll be surprised if Egypt merely exchanges a secular dictatorship for an Islamic one. Turkey's about the only Islamic nation that's ever functioned under democracy for an extended period, and even they have trouble reconciling the two.
 

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Last I checked we didn't have 200,000 strong protests supporting someone trying to be the "king" of the newly freed colonies. I think a better analogy would be the French after the initial French revolution.

The Muslim Brotherhood is behind this guy en mass, and frankly it looks like he could be Egypt's Robespierre.

I can't say I'll be surprised if Egypt merely exchanges a secular dictatorship for an Islamic one. Turkey's about the only Islamic nation that's ever functioned under democracy for an extended period, and even they have trouble reconciling the two.

France would be a better comparison. But Robespierre didn't have the advantages Morsi does. He has the means to make something in his religious image that will long outlast him. As much as I dislike military actions perhaps it would be best for them to eliminate Morsi and the MB and start over. They are more likely to bring about a representative government than Mohammed Palpitine.
 

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After I pick my jaw up off the floor, I don't think a fight for freedom looks like this:

Muslim Brotherhood 'paying gangs to go out and rape women and beat men protesting in Egypt' as thousands of demonstrators pour on to the streets

The wrong faction is winning in the Islamic world.

Collective stupidity indicates there won't be a right faction or whatever that means.

BTW, LOL @ the women in link supporting rape for political purposes...Where are the staunch Arab "Spring" defenders now?
 

Jaskalas

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Collective stupidity indicates there won't be a right faction or whatever that means.

The 'right' faction is one that supports life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. One that is not Islamic fundie, is not targeting minorities, is not dedicated to tyranny and oppression.

Basically, the opposite of what they have on the ground over there.
 

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Agreed. Get CIA plants to hold a rally in a certain location and hit em with a MIRV nuke warhead. The world will be a better place without them. Let's see how god's law holds up against a fission-fusion bomb.

Mass murder? Wow, this forum has hit a new low.
 

Darwin333

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Agreed. Get CIA plants to hold a rally in a certain location and hit em with a MIRV nuke warhead. The world will be a better place without them. Let's see how god's law holds up against a fission-fusion bomb.

Why? If that is what the people desire, who are we to say otherwise? Let them wallow in their own shit if they want, so long as they don't fuck with us my "give-a-fuck meter" won't even so much as twitch.
 

Darwin333

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The 'right' faction is one that supports life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. One that is not Islamic fundie, is not targeting minorities, is not dedicated to tyranny and oppression.

Basically, the opposite of what they have on the ground over there.

So what you desire is right for everyone? I completely disagree with the direction they are heading in but if the people vote for it (assuming a fair vote), its their country and their decision. Who are you, or we, to say what the "right faction" for them is.