Extra cooling GeFroce 8800GTS

[shunail]

Hi,
I've 8800GTS SLi and both clinged with 8800GTS Accetel EK Waterblocks running with FluidXP+ Ext under Reserator2. Eventhough temperature idles at 60*C ~ 64*C. Is there any thermal pad or any other thing that I should on top of video card backside to help reduce temperature a little more?? I'm not even overclocking them!! Any idea???


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ABIT IN9 32X MAX MotherBoard /\/\/ Intel E6600 2.4GHz Processor /\/\/ 2 x Kingston 1GB 800 DDR2 RAM /\/\/ 3 x Seagate 750GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive /\/\/ 2 x HP LightScribe Dual Layer DVDRW /\/\/ 2 x NVidia GeForce 8800GTS (SLi) Videocard /\/\/ CreativeLabs X-FI Fidel1ty XtremePro SoundCard
Cooled By: Zalman Reserator 2 ==> Eheim 1240 Pump ==> Zalman ZM-WB3 GOLD ==> ThermalTake AquaBay M3 Reservoir ==> 2 x EK WaterBlocks 8800GTS Accetel blocks
Powered By: BFG 1000W PSU.
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[swtethan]

get a 12 inch desk fan to blow on your resorator 2

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: shunail
Hi,
I've 8800GTS SLi and both clinged with 8800GTS Accetel EK Waterblocks running with FluidXP+ Ext under Reserator2. Eventhough temperature idles at 60*C ~ 64*C. Is there any thermal pad or any other thing that I should on top of video card backside to help reduce temperature a little more?? I'm not even overclocking them!! Any idea???

LESSON 1. U broke 3 laws in watercooling.

NEVER MIX COOPER WITH ALU. You need to DRAIN your system imediately and inspect for corrosion.

Lesson 2. NEVER MIX ZALMAN with other Waterkits because ZALMAN uses ALU.

Lesson 3. PASSIVE style rads were not intended to COOL all the requirements you listed.

Your zalman is not a true radiator. Its a convection POT with fits that cool liquid in a POT. No air is being forced to allow convection to become more efficient. That waterkit is only good for silence and not performance.


U need to read my sticky and re evaluate your parts. You need to imediate drain your system NOW, and redue your coolant while nuking it with a water wetter at a autostore. There is NO EXCEPTION to this. Empty the coolant, read my sticky on coolant sections, and go out and buy a water wetter, and nuke your system with it. Your performance wont be as great, however, you'll be a little safer from forming a hole in your reserator like my friend did.

 

[shunail]

So Ishould buy a coolant from Zalman for now or Redline water Wetter from Murrays and also replace CPU Block with Apogee block??? Should I place fan next to Reserator2 and insert a radiator before Eheim pump or after circulation from the system right before IN to Reserator2 ???

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ABIT IN9 32X MAX MotherBoard /\/\/ Intel E6600 2.4GHz Processor /\/\/ 2 x Kingston 1GB 800 DDR2 RAM /\/\/ 3 x Seagate 750GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive /\/\/ 2 x HP LightScribe Dual Layer DVDRW /\/\/ 2 x NVidia GeForce 8800GTS (SLi) Videocard /\/\/ CreativeLabs X-FI Fidel1ty XtremePro SoundCard
Cooled By: Zalman Reserator 2 ==> Eheim 1240 Pump ==> Zalman ZM-WB3 GOLD ==> ThermalTake AquaBay M3 Reservoir ==> 2 x EK WaterBlocks 8800GTS Accetel blocks
Powered By: BFG 1000W PSU.
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[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: shunail
So just buy a coolant from Zalman for now or Redline water Wetter from Murrays and replace CPU Block with Apogee block??? Should I place fan next to Reserator2 and insert a radiator before Eheim pump or after circulation from the system right before IN to Reserator2 ???

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ABIT IN9 32X MAX MotherBoard /\/\/ Intel E6600 2.4GHz Processor /\/\/ 2 x Kingston 1GB 800 DDR2 RAM /\/\/ 3 x Seagate 750GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive /\/\/ 2 x HP LightScribe Dual Layer DVDRW /\/\/ 2 x NVidia GeForce 8800GTS (SLi) Videocard /\/\/ CreativeLabs X-FI Fidel1ty XtremePro SoundCard
Cooled By: Zalman Reserator 2 ==> Eheim 1240 Pump ==> Zalman ZM-WB3 GOLD ==> ThermalTake AquaBay M3 Reservoir ==> 2 x EK WaterBlocks 8800GTS Accetel blocks
Powered By: BFG 1000W PSU.
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your not understanding the alunimum component. Your reserator is entirely made out of aluminum.

So if you want to save your face from a leak, get rid of the EK block, drop the zalman one on. Or you can use the red line water wetter with Distilled h2o. DO NOT USE FLUID XP.

i dont understand why people like this stuff so much. Its absolutely horrible. But i suggested you empty out your system to inspect for corroision. Once you see all your alu components clean, which mostly should be your reserator, then refill with distilled + coolant additive + 5-6mL of the wetter in your reserator.

My friend poped a leak in his reserator by using a cooper block that wasnt gold plated. It took about 5 months for the thing to spring a leak. And it looked VERY VERY BAD.

This problem isnt a component of cooling anymore. Its a problem of you leaking in the future. Problems like this will make you stay away from water for the rest of your life. Im trying to save you from this problem b4 it happens so you stay with water.

Just remember, you NEVER, and i cant stress this statement anymore, NEVER MIX bare cooper with ALU under any reasons. Theres a reason why most REAL waterblocks, and waterkits, i state real because i dont concider ThermalCRAP real, or zalman, or XSPC. Even koolance i wouldnt recomend due to its alu parts.

You either now need to get rid of the reserator, or switch entirely to zalman parts. There is no solution for this. Even a water wetter will prolong protection, however.. the best you can hope for is that you'll upgrade parts b4 it melts!

 

[shunail]

I looked over as you said that I should use Aluminum blocks. Koolance also makes full coverage water blocks for 8800GTS. Is that OK? EKWaterblocks states that "Aluminium part is made for cooling the mosfets of 8800 GTS series" and the base is "electrolytic copper". I didn't understand the aluminum part. Is water flowing through copper part in the base??

I can still return these waterblocks (have 3 more days for return) to them. I'm scared now at work. Want to rush home and shut the system and pump down!


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ABIT IN9 32X MAX MotherBoard /\/\/ Intel E6600 2.4GHz Processor /\/\/ 2 x Kingston 1GB 800 DDR2 RAM /\/\/ 3 x Seagate 750GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive /\/\/ 2 x HP LightScribe Dual Layer DVDRW /\/\/ 2 x NVidia GeForce 8800GTS (SLi) Videocard /\/\/ CreativeLabs X-FI Fidel1ty XtremePro SoundCard
Cooled By: Zalman Reserator 2 ==> Eheim 1240 Pump ==> Zalman ZM-WB3 GOLD ==> ThermalTake AquaBay M3 Reservoir ==> 2 x EK WaterBlocks 8800GTS Accetel blocks
Powered By: BFG 1000W PSU.
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[swtethan]

skip water, go phase

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: shunail
I looked over as you said that I should use Aluminum blocks. Koolance also makes full coverage water blocks for 8800GTS. Is that OK? EKWaterblocks states that "Aluminium part is made for cooling the mosfets of 8800 GTS series" and the base is "electrolytic copper". I didn't understand the aluminum part. Is water flowing through copper part in the base??

I can still return these waterblocks (have 3 more days for return) to them. I'm scared now at work. Want to rush home and shut the system and pump down!


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ABIT IN9 32X MAX MotherBoard /\/\/ Intel E6600 2.4GHz Processor /\/\/ 2 x Kingston 1GB 800 DDR2 RAM /\/\/ 3 x Seagate 750GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive /\/\/ 2 x HP LightScribe Dual Layer DVDRW /\/\/ 2 x NVidia GeForce 8800GTS (SLi) Videocard /\/\/ CreativeLabs X-FI Fidel1ty XtremePro SoundCard
Cooled By: Zalman Reserator 2 ==> Eheim 1240 Pump ==> Zalman ZM-WB3 GOLD ==> ThermalTake AquaBay M3 Reservoir ==> 2 x EK WaterBlocks 8800GTS Accetel blocks
Powered By: BFG 1000W PSU.
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electrolytic copper is acceptable. However i would return the blocks and think about rebuilding your entire loop.

I would just leave the cooling to CPU only on the Zalman. MAybe throw in a north bridge or south bridge and END it there.

For the GTS, i would just get thermalrights HR for 8800 series, and air cool that sucker. Your system cant take the increase load on the 8800GTS block. It just wasnt meant to handle that output.


To make things more square for you, 120x2 radiator can support a low restriction moderate GPU + CPU. However the moment you add Overclocking to any component, then it pushes the 120x2 to its upper limit. It still will be good enough.

Now you add a 8800 series then your stessing the rad. Putting that at its upper limit even more. On a config like this, i recomend either a dual radaitor setup, or a 120x3. In your case, you have neither. :X

Your cooling capacity on the zalman is at best somewhere between a 120x1 and 120x2 radiator. As you can see you Stressed your entire cooling system. You are going to need an active fan to help cool the reserator, or lessen its load. In your case, removal of the GPU block is the most recomended due to the mixing of metals.


Leave the zalman cooling the CPU, and maybe a Northbridge/Southbridge.

The rest stay on air, or get upgraded watercooling parts from a real watercooling vendor.

IE. Swiftech/DangerDen/D-tek/Thermochill Not Zalman, Coolermaster, ThermalCrap

 

[shunail]

2x EK waterblocks cost me $241.13 (which is alot) and the best I could do is to get it exchanged with other waterblock with the company I bought these from and I've 2 more days to return now. You said electrolytic copper is acceptable, and so they are... I'm all confused now . Should I try Swiftech MCW60??
I can add radiator after video cards if anything (most likely Swiftech MCR120-QP). I tried placing fan next to Reserator2, which was getting very hot, now its cooled down a little.
May be the software that I'm using to monitor temperature is not right. Its ABit uGuru and it shows
PWM Phase1 = 61*C
PWM Phase2 = 61*C
Please help me before my system start fire!!

I'll get RedLine Water wetter tomorrow and drain FluidXP completely before pouring Redline for starter

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ABIT IN9 32X MAX MotherBoard /\/\/ Intel E6600 2.4GHz Processor /\/\/ 2 x Kingston 1GB 800 DDR2 RAM /\/\/ 3 x Seagate 750GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive /\/\/ 2 x HP LightScribe Dual Layer DVDRW /\/\/ 2 x NVidia GeForce 8800GTS (SLi) Videocard /\/\/ CreativeLabs X-FI Fidel1ty XtremePro SoundCard
Cooled By: Zalman Reserator 2 ==> Eheim 1240 Pump ==> Zalman ZM-WB3 GOLD ==> ThermalTake AquaBay M3 Reservoir ==> 2 x EK WaterBlocks 8800GTS Accetel blocks
Powered By: BFG 1000W PSU.
=======================================================

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: shunail
2x EK waterblocks cost me $241.13 (which is alot) and the best I could do is to get it exchanged with other waterblock with the company I bought these from and I've 2 more days to return now. You said electrolytic copper is acceptable, and so they are... I'm all confused now . Should I try Swiftech MCW60??
I can add radiator after video cards if anything (most likely Swiftech MCR120-QP). I tried placing fan next to Reserator2, which was getting very hot, now its cooled down a little.
May be the software that I'm using to monitor temperature is not right. Its ABit uGuru and it shows
PWM Phase1 = 61*C
PWM Phase2 = 61*C
Please help me before my system start fire!!

I'll get RedLine Water wetter tomorrow and drain FluidXP completely before pouring Redline for starter

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ABIT IN9 32X MAX MotherBoard /\/\/ Intel E6600 2.4GHz Processor /\/\/ 2 x Kingston 1GB 800 DDR2 RAM /\/\/ 3 x Seagate 750GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive /\/\/ 2 x HP LightScribe Dual Layer DVDRW /\/\/ 2 x NVidia GeForce 8800GTS (SLi) Videocard /\/\/ CreativeLabs X-FI Fidel1ty XtremePro SoundCard
Cooled By: Zalman Reserator 2 ==> Eheim 1240 Pump ==> Zalman ZM-WB3 GOLD ==> ThermalTake AquaBay M3 Reservoir ==> 2 x EK WaterBlocks 8800GTS Accetel blocks
Powered By: BFG 1000W PSU.
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well the problem in your case is the heat exchanger isn't up to capacity. The pump thats built into the zalman is also not up to spec to push all that water though.

If you want to make this work, your only option is to go air on the video cards.

And did you say PAIR?? WOAH... that kind of setup would require a dual radiator dual pump. or a hugh 120x3 rad.

Exchange the EK blocks. Get aircooling, and keep your cpu and NB on the zalman. I already told you this is your only option on the equiptment you gave. The Swiftech MCW60 also uses cooper so no benifits would be gained. Not to mention the EK block cools the 8800 better as well.


If you really want to watercool, then get a new setup. Thats the only option you have if you want everything on water.

 

[shunail]

The pump thats built into the zalman is also not up to spec to push all that water though.

I'm using external Eheim 1240 pump, took out internal pump already. Same I did with Reserator 1 Plus when I had that. If you think Reserator 2 is not good, tell me what should I get then to work with this setup??? Noise is the biggest factor here since I want to leave my computer on at night and with loud noise, I can't sleep! We are both in same room



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ABIT IN9 32X MAX MotherBoard /\/\/ Intel E6600 2.4GHz Processor /\/\/ 2 x Kingston 1GB 800 DDR2 RAM /\/\/ 3 x Seagate 750GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive /\/\/ 2 x HP LightScribe Dual Layer DVDRW /\/\/ 2 x NVidia GeForce 8800GTS (SLi) Videocard /\/\/ CreativeLabs X-FI Fidel1ty XtremePro SoundCard
Cooled By: Zalman Reserator 2 ==> Eheim 1240 Pump ==> Zalman ZM-WB3 GOLD ==> ThermalTake AquaBay M3 Reservoir ==> 2 x EK WaterBlocks 8800GTS Accetel blocks
Powered By: BFG 1000W PSU In: Gigabyte 3D Aurora GZ-FSCA1-ANB Case
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[aigomorla]

OH!

This changes everything then.

What cpu block are you running?

You need to swap out that reserator with this:

3x120 radiator

then hook up 3 yates and you can downvolt them even if it has good flow. But i doubt you'll hear them even on high. Problem is how your going to wire everything. I dont think you can fit that rad inside your case.

 

[shunail]

I was intending towards adding Thermaltake Aqua TMG2 radiator with reserator 2 and Pentosin in the system and was thinking that would be the end of this hot story but I guess thats not it.

OK, now I'm at the point to drop everything down esps Reserator 2. So tell me, I would buy an external radiator, reservoir (ofcourse it'll be two reservoir setup since I've ThermalTake AquaBay M3 Reservoir and ofcourse need to replace CPU block as well. So any suggestion for these two and THE COOLANT please!!!

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ABIT IN9 32X MAX MotherBoard /\/\/ Intel E6600 2.4GHz Processor /\/\/ 2 x Kingston 1GB 800 DDR2 RAM /\/\/ 3 x Seagate 750GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive /\/\/ 2 x HP LightScribe Dual Layer DVDRW /\/\/ 2 x NVidia GeForce 8800GTS (SLi) Videocard /\/\/ CreativeLabs X-FI Fidel1ty XtremePro SoundCard
Cooled By: Zalman Reserator 2 ==> Eheim 1240 Pump ==> Zalman ZM-WB3 GOLD ==> ThermalTake AquaBay M3 Reservoir ==> 2 x EK WaterBlocks 8800GTS Accetel blocks
Powered By: BFG 1000W PSU In: Gigabyte 3D Aurora GZ-FSCA1-ANB Case
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[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: shunail
I was intending towards adding Thermaltake Aqua TMG2 radiator with reserator 2 and Pentosin in the system and was thinking that would be the end of this hot story but I guess thats not it.

OK, now I'm at the point to drop everything down esps Reserator 2. So tell me, I would buy an external radiator, reservoir (ofcourse it'll be two reservoir setup since I've ThermalTake AquaBay M3 Reservoir and ofcourse need to replace CPU block as well. So any suggestion for these two and THE COOLANT please!!!

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ABIT IN9 32X MAX MotherBoard /\/\/ Intel E6600 2.4GHz Processor /\/\/ 2 x Kingston 1GB 800 DDR2 RAM /\/\/ 3 x Seagate 750GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive /\/\/ 2 x HP LightScribe Dual Layer DVDRW /\/\/ 2 x NVidia GeForce 8800GTS (SLi) Videocard /\/\/ CreativeLabs X-FI Fidel1ty XtremePro SoundCard
Cooled By: Zalman Reserator 2 ==> Eheim 1240 Pump ==> Zalman ZM-WB3 GOLD ==> ThermalTake AquaBay M3 Reservoir ==> 2 x EK WaterBlocks 8800GTS Accetel blocks
Powered By: BFG 1000W PSU In: Gigabyte 3D Aurora GZ-FSCA1-ANB Case
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lol.... you need to get rid of the EK blocks. And either set up a small mini loop for the gfx cards or air cool it.

EK blocks first off were ment to have flow in the 3/8 - 1/2 range. Your aqua bay is 1/4 native, and you used 3/8 couplers. That means your overall flow is still 1/4.

Also i dont really think you needed the aquabay. The reserator should of held enough liquid on its own.


If you really want to do this right. I can only recomend 1 external kit that would fit your need.

Its not Cheap

The whitewater block will be far better then your zalman. Also you really dont need to use the NB, and GPU block it comes with. That setup would allow you to run both your GPU and CPU with moderate OCing. Dont keep your hopes up on overvolting your GPU.

If you can custom a rig, i can recomend much better internals. Your job however would be trying to make it look pretty.


Also if you take the external recomendation. No addition of mickey mouse parts you have. You install the system as it is, with the EK blocks. NO ZALMAN, OR THERMALCRAP. And use the coolant recomendation i listed on my sticky.


You seriously asked for a lot when you threw in the sli'd 8800's :T something of your setup calibur would require a cooling on near or PAR to mine. And believe me, its not cheap.

 

[Jules]

Originally posted by: shunail
Hi,
I've 8800GTS SLi and both clinged with 8800GTS Accetel EK Waterblocks running with FluidXP+ Ext under Reserator2. Eventhough temperature idles at 60*C ~ 64*C. Is there any thermal pad or any other thing that I should on top of video card backside to help reduce temperature a little more?? I'm not even overclocking them!! Any idea???


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ABIT IN9 32X MAX MotherBoard /\/\/ Intel E6600 2.4GHz Processor /\/\/ 2 x Kingston 1GB 800 DDR2 RAM /\/\/ 3 x Seagate 750GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive /\/\/ 2 x HP LightScribe Dual Layer DVDRW /\/\/ 2 x NVidia GeForce 8800GTS (SLi) Videocard /\/\/ CreativeLabs X-FI Fidel1ty XtremePro SoundCard
Cooled By: Zalman Reserator 2 ==> Eheim 1240 Pump ==> Zalman ZM-WB3 GOLD ==> ThermalTake AquaBay M3 Reservoir ==> 2 x EK WaterBlocks 8800GTS Accetel blocks
Powered By: BFG 1000W PSU.
========================

im getting 50-53c idle on stocking cooling, did you seat them properly?

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth

Originally posted by: shunail
Hi,
I've 8800GTS SLi and both clinged with 8800GTS Accetel EK Waterblocks running with FluidXP+ Ext under Reserator2. Eventhough temperature idles at 60*C ~ 64*C. Is there any thermal pad or any other thing that I should on top of video card backside to help reduce temperature a little more?? I'm not even overclocking them!! Any idea???


========================
ABIT IN9 32X MAX MotherBoard /\/\/ Intel E6600 2.4GHz Processor /\/\/ 2 x Kingston 1GB 800 DDR2 RAM /\/\/ 3 x Seagate 750GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive /\/\/ 2 x HP LightScribe Dual Layer DVDRW /\/\/ 2 x NVidia GeForce 8800GTS (SLi) Videocard /\/\/ CreativeLabs X-FI Fidel1ty XtremePro SoundCard
Cooled By: Zalman Reserator 2 ==> Eheim 1240 Pump ==> Zalman ZM-WB3 GOLD ==> ThermalTake AquaBay M3 Reservoir ==> 2 x EK WaterBlocks 8800GTS Accetel blocks
Powered By: BFG 1000W PSU.
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im getting 50-53c idle on stocking cooling, did you seat them properly?

his system is overloaded. Thats why he's having heat issues. His equiptment isnt intended to cool a C2D, with 2 8800's in SLI.

 

[shunail]

aigomorla Is there any other suggestion besides Assetek because I don't need this thing comes with GPU block and NB block. All I may need is something with CPU block only and ofcourse COPPER!!!

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: shunail
aigomorla Is there any other suggestion besides Assetek because I don't need this thing comes with GPU block and NB block. All I may need is something with CPU block only and ofcourse COPPER!!!

You already have what you need. Use the zalman as a stand alone. Just use the zalman waterblock, with your ehiem pump, and your reserator as the heat exchanger/radiator.

If your cooling the CPU only, that zalman will perform slighty better then the tuniq tower.


If you really want to go out and get a new setup, then the corsiar nautilius 500 will be acceptable for CPU only. It wont handle the output of CPU + 2 GPU. That astek will handle CPU + GPU + GPU.


But the nautilus will perform about the same as your zalman if your cooling CPU only. So i dont really see a need to change. Just stay with the reserator, cool your CPU only, and jump on AIR for your video cards.