External hard disk never stop spinning?

oko

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I've just bought an external (buslink 40GB USB2) hard disk for backup
purposes. What I noticed is: unlike internal ones which are turned off
after a while of inactivity, this external one never stops spinning,
even if the PC is powered off! Are all external drives like this?
I hate its noise. Should I just give it back and buy an internal one?
 

Lord Evermore

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Internal drives are signalled by the OS or the BIOS to shut down after whatever time you set. External drives aren't directly connected to the system's BIOS, so power management can't function unless specifically programmed into a device driver for the external controller. External drives all use a generic device driver, so it can't assume that your device can be powered down. If the PC is shut down, the external device doesn't care, as its own controller is still powered; just like a printer doesn't turn off just because your PC is turned off.

Most people don't use external drives except for certain activities, due to the much higher latencies and lower transfer rates, so they're turned off except when in active use. If you only use it for backups, why would you leave it turned on all the time?

An external drive is a better backup device because you can take the drive away from the machine you're backing up, for safekeeping. You probably don't do that though, so an internal drive would work just as well, except that if something happens to damage your main drive, it could very well destroy an internal backup drive as well. If you still want portability, you can get removable drive enclosures (nest devices) which connect to the IDE controller and you can remove the drive (hot swap is only supported with certain enclosures and controller cards; standard onboard controllers won't let you do this). You can even get one that uses IDE connections when in your computer, then connects with USB2.0 with a special cable when you're on another machine.
 

VBboy

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Originally posted by: oko
I've just bought an external (buslink 40GB USB2) hard disk for backup
purposes. What I noticed is: unlike internal ones which are turned off
after a while of inactivity, this external one never stops spinning,
even if the PC is powered off! Are all external drives like this?
I hate its noise. Should I just give it back and buy an internal one?

This is entirely off topic, but did you know you can link that Web site in your signature? :)
 

Lord Evermore

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I think that website's appearance is enough to make anybody think the site owner is a crackpot. Then you actually read the way just the frontpage stuff is written and think it even more.
 

RichieZ

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Ya I think USB/USB2 is not seen as a drive interface therefore there is no power management. For example you can't format a drive in a USB enclosure but you can format one in a firewire controller. When I hookup my combo USB2/firewire to friends computers via USB it never spins down. But when connected to my laptop via firewire it spins down after the time I set in the power management option.
 

oko

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Thanks for the valuable information.

The easiest solution, as Lord Evermore says, may be turning it off when not using.
But I'm using Windows XP's policy editors to backup my important files while shutting down.
I'm sure I'll forget to turn it on when shutting down every night.

RichieZ: What brand is your hard disk? I learned that Maxtor's have a utility to
sleep the drive after x minutes of inactivity.

VBoy: Thanks for the info, I'll try. As for that website, I know first impression may be
bad, but as you read, you get a lot of information about aspartame, like why it was not approved
for years, games played for it to be approved etc. I was interested in that subject after I
discovered that most of my headaches were because of aspartame.