[Extech]Intel's 14nm milkshake

[SiliconWars]

I don't know exactly when in Q1 production starts but even a late Q1 production start makes an early Q3 launch possible. As a general rule 3 months or 4 from production to launch is a usual timeframe. Of course I fully understand that you are hoping Intel is later than this.

I don't know exactly either but it's clear you don't also.

We're in the 3-month to 9-month window. What I have always said is that *best case* is 3 months, and I was proven correct, going by the recent slides anyway.

I'm quite happy to move it on to 6 or 9 months. Any of you who actually believe it's 3 months? Yeah, not really seeing too many defenders of that all of a sudden. Maybe I'm still being "obtuse" though?

 

[mikk]

I don't know exactly either but it's clear you don't also.

Which is irrelevant though. Q1 production start is targeted and that makes Q3 plausible. Early Q3 is more likely than late Q3 given the timeframe.

We're in the 3-month to 9-month window. What I have always said is that *best case* is 3 months, and I was proven correct, going by the recent slides anyway.

What 3-9 months window?

I'm quite happy to move it on to 6 or 9 months. Any of you who actually believe it's 3 months? Yeah, not really seeing too many defenders of that all of a sudden. Maybe I'm still being "obtuse" though?

I think you are even more happy to move it to 9-12 months. Feel free to do so. It doesn't make it serious. Not sure how experienced you are but 3-4 months is common. For desktop it can be earlier of course. AMD starts Desktop Kaveri production in late Q4 and they launch in January, although I expect first availability in February. Mobile is slower due to all the extra validation tasks OEMs have to do and other involved hardware components.

 

[shady28]

Apple said, not long ago, that IOS and OSX would not merge.

The disaster at Microsoft is actually due to trying that. And I am sure everyone in the top would point that out, anytime someone comes up with the idea. Ballmer and Sinofski got fired due to that. Number 1 and 2 in MS.

As a Mac user, I think MS is getting it right. They were just way too early.

And I think the Bay Trail based Win 8.1 tablets are starting to pave the way, just not as quickly as some pundits may like. Cherry Trail looks like it will knock out the last of the meaningful limitations of Bay Trail, excepting possibly GPU performance.

In 2-3 years I can see the transition to have just a tablet with a dock running Windows 8.1, or 9 or w/e they have at that point. With the right expansion capabilities, it could knock out the desktop, laptop, and tablet with one device. Convergence like this has been the name of the game for a decade now, I'm pretty sure that's not over yet.

 

[jhu]

In 2-3 years I can see the transition to have just a tablet with a dock running Windows 8.1, or 9 or w/e they have at that point. With the right expansion capabilities, it could knock out the desktop, laptop, and tablet with one device. Convergence like this has been the name of the game for a decade now, I'm pretty sure that's not over yet.

It's called Surface Pro (which came out last year) and Surface Pro 2, although they're not very quiet.

 

[jdubs03]

If there was a one quarter delay in production, there will be a one quarter delay in releases. August/September seems like a likely release for Broadwell, and that is the U-series chips not just the M-series. I don't see how 6 and 9 months are coming about, the delay was 3 months at the most.

In terms of MSFT, I think they made the right choice. I don't understand the hate they got releasing Windows 8. Granted my V8P is 8.1, but it took me about 5 minutes to get the basics of the UI. I use desktop quite a bit, but I do also use the Modern UI apps, and there is a decent selection in the Store.

My view is 10.6"-13.3' hybrids with digitizers (WACOM) are the real future, I think the 2-in-1 is a smart push, but I rather have that U-series than a Y. For instance Broadwell should allow the Surface Pro 3 to be quite a bit thinner and lighter while still having a U-series.

 

[shady28]

It's called Surface Pro (which came out last year) and Surface Pro 2, although they're not very quiet.

They're also not very affordable. That means they aren't going to transform the landscape much if at all.

I was really referring to devices like the Asus T100, Acer W4, and the Dell Venue 8 and 11 Pro. The Bay Trail based devices are impressive, and affordable.

 

[frozentundra123456]

They're also not very affordable. That means they aren't going to transform the landscape much if at all.

I was really referring to devices like the Asus T100, Acer W4, and the Dell Venue 8 and 11 Pro. The Bay Trail based devices are impressive, and affordable.

Compared to ultra books, the surface pro is not that bad. The problem that I see with it though is that the keyboard dock should come standard. That is what makes the T100 such a killer deal. I also think a true detachable tablet or tablet with a dock is the only wat to go. None of the flip/fold/ twist devices seem right when you try to use them as a tablet.

 

[shady28]

Compared to ultra books, the surface pro is not that bad. The problem that I see with it though is that the keyboard dock should come standard. That is what makes the T100 such a killer deal. I also think a true detachable tablet or tablet with a dock is the only wat to go. None of the flip/fold/ twist devices seem right when you try to use them as a tablet.

The thing is, Intel built the Surface Pro for the enterprise and the Surface RT for casual users. They made a clear dividing line between the haves and have-nots.

People don't buy things that way. No one likes crippleware (Win RT) when they're spending hundreds of their own money, and the days of a typical consumer spending $1000+ on a laptop/tablet are long gone. Hence there's a backlash. i.e., RT Sucks, and full Win 8 tablets are too expensive (Surface Pro) or perform horribly (Cedar Trail), hence the Microsoft platform sucks.

But if you can get the full desktop onto a tablet at a reasonable (sub $500) cost, then that turns back around on itself. Suddenly you have a single device capable of replacing the laptop/desktop and the tablet. I don't think Bay Trail is there yet. It is far superior to Cedar Trail, but with the typical 2GB RAM, crippled memory bandwidth, and underpowered GPU it is still lacking. Cherry Trail might be in 'good enough' territory.

I do think Bay Trail Win 8.1 tablets will be big sellers, just not gang busters like MS needs.

We're getting pretty close :

 

[ShintaiDK]

The thing is, Intel built the Surface Pro for the enterprise and the Surface RT for casual users. They made a clear dividing line between the haves and have-nots.

Wutt?

 

[monstercameron]

Wutt?

he clearly meant Microsoft...

 

[shady28]

Wutt?

Sorry, Microsoft not Intel.

 

[jdubs03]

The thing is ultrabooks are the premium line, and the manufacturers will charge high to maintain their margins. There is no way you'll see a brand new $500 i5 ULV tablet. The only solid tablets at that level are going to be the Atom systems, starting with Bay Trail and Z3770. I'm hoping Intel actually releases a Z3780 as a Bay Trail+, I think that'd help out for spring, before Cherry Trail takes over in the fall.

In regards to the Surface Pro, I too think that the type cover should be included at the same prices, it just makes sense, and Microsoft will make a profit on both, but from what I have been hearing the 2nd generation devices seem to be selling quite a bit better than the 1st, without either the touch/type cover 2. The eventual power cover is a great addition but its a shame that its $150, though people will definitely buy that.

The only issues I have seen with the Core detachables is that they've been quite bulky, making them top heavy. Broadwell should help alleviate that issue, and the SP3 will be quite an improvement in design. If they can get it to 1.7 lbs and 11mm thickness I think the biggest gripe will be gone.

 

[tweakboy]

Wait til 2015 for Strawberry chip...lol

 

[sm625]

and full Win 8 tablets are too expensive (Surface Pro) or perform horribly (Cedar Trail), hence the Microsoft platform sucks.

Cedar trail really isnt that bad in terms of performance. The problem 90% of the time for me is that the OS is just clunky and horribly coded. Problems like the onscreen keyboard popping up and pushing my text box out of focus, and then cutting a giant chunk out of my maximixed application, and just leaving that chunk missing when I close the keyboard, forcing me to unmaximize the window, and then re-maximize the window. I could go on and on all day long listing these problems, but suffice it to say microsoft doesnt know what they are doing.

 

[tweakboy]

Ill have Strawberry please.

 

[tweakboy]

with Whip cream