Exploring the mmorpg/rpg realm,need suggestions on good games.:)

skipsneeky2

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Just recently started playing Wizard 101, this is the first mmorpg game i have ever played and quite frankly its been enjoyable. Perhaps the game is a bit noob friendly but i have always looked at these games with confusion cause there is so much to do and so much things.

Given some thought to something like WOW and my cousin plays runscape but this game looks like something that isn't catering much to noobs.

Just looking for some help with something me and my wife could play perhaps together,shes been sucked into Wizard 101 as well.:biggrin:
 

nageov3t

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in the Free to Play realm, RIFT is probably still my favorite MMO right now.

if you don't mind paying, I've really been enjoying Final Fantasy XIV: ARR... ignore any reviews from the initial launch, they re-launched and really improved things.
 

KidNiki1

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i would second the vote for rift, as it is free to play, isnt too much of a pay to win game, and will give you both a good feeling for pretty much what the rest of the games are like.

as for catering to noobs, WoW has become very casual friendly as it has evolved. if you two decide you want to pay for a game and then pay a monthly sub for WoW, i would at least recommend one of you makes an account, and then uses the refer a friend advantage for the other. that way you will got a lot of bonus xp when you play together.
 

Craig234

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I'd say rift is a good pick also, but there are a lot of good ones, and you might enjoy any depending on the type of game you like - Dungeons and Dragons Online, Star Wars the old republican, the secret world, World of Warcraft, even World of Tanks (not an MMO like the others, a much simpler game but a very fun tank combat game), Tera, Everquest II, Lord of the Rings online, and so on.
 

pathos

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as for catering to noobs, WoW has become very casual friendly as it has evolved. if you two decide you want to pay for a game and then pay a monthly sub for WoW, i would at least recommend one of you makes an account, and then uses the refer a friend advantage for the other. that way you will got a lot of bonus xp when you play together.

As a side note - I'd actually say that WoW has always been a game that has been easier than it's competition. Even vanilla WoW. And, that's one of the (many) reasons it's been so successful. But, yes, it has gotten easier over time, to the point the game was pretty trivial before the last expansion. I haven't played it since the before the last expansion though, I can only assume it's gotten even easier. Still the most popular mmo around, even if it's bleeding subs. And, will be some time yet before it's dethroned (if ever). So, if you don't mind paying for the game, and a subscription, it's probably the go to game.

As for other pay to play games, Final Fantasy 14 A Realm Reborn is the best of the lot, imo. Probably not even close. Wildstar, which is a newly released game, would be a solid choice (although it probably isn't as noob friendly). I wasn't all that impressed with the combat, really. I did enjoy the humor enough to actually warrant purchasing it after the open beta. I haven't yet, but I haven't ruled it out completely. And, then there is The Elder Scrolls. Decent game, although it didn't hold my interest for that long, really.

Then, you have the free to play games. Some you actually have to purchase the game itself. Some are free to download. None have monthly subscription fees. Games like Guild Wars 2 and Star Wars The Old Republic (although, last i checked, the free version of this one was so gimped out, I'd much rather just subscribe to it. Perhaps that's changed). Also, The Secret World, and Tera.

I've never played Rift Wars, so I won't comment on it, other than to say the only time I went to take a look at it, didn't seem like something I'd like.

Strangely enough, the one game that I can't ever escape from permanently, is Aion. It's free to download, and free to play. When it first came out, it had alot of problems, especially as a US release (less for the original market of Korea, where they are much more tolerant of level grinds). But, most of the original problems with the game have been corrected, and it's quite solid now.

The level up experience is quite smooth now, with the nasty Korean grind now gone completely. You don't have to worry about forced pvp while leveling up, unless you want to deal with it. Leveling up to max doesn't require pay to win, you can hit max level easily without spending a dime (I'm guessing at max level, it's probably a different story entirely, but since I have no interest in anything at max level, in any game, even that I can't say for sure). It still has one of the best character creators in any mmo, to this day, and the game is 5 years old, or more. You can literally make make a character look like anything you want.

If I had 1 complaint about Aion, it would be about the gold farmers. The spammers selling gold in the chat channels are easy enough to deal with, right click, block. But, the bot farmers are another thing entirely. Mostly the problem starts in the late 30 zones. You can enter certain zones, to start questing, and there won't be a mob alive, in any direction. Just masses of bot farmers, as far as the eye can see. It seems like it hasn't been nearly as bad lately. And, usually if you're willing to look around enough, you can generally find SOMEWHERE to kill your quest mobs that aren't completely overrun. But, if I have to search around for 20 minutes just to find a pack of quest mobs that aren't insta killed by 50 gold farming bots...there is a real problem. And, the people running the game don't seem to be interested in fixing the problem, at all.
 

Jumpem

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i would second the vote for rift, as it is free to play, isnt too much of a pay to win game, and will give you both a good feeling for pretty much what the rest of the games are like.

as for catering to noobs, WoW has become very casual friendly as it has evolved. if you two decide you want to pay for a game and then pay a monthly sub for WoW, i would at least recommend one of you makes an account, and then uses the refer a friend advantage for the other. that way you will got a lot of bonus xp when you play together.

How has WoW become casual friendly? Does it still require forced grouping and raids to get high end gear?
 

skipsneeky2

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Rift looks a bit like something i would try out, figured some free to play would be a good way to start and if i could find myself another game i like i could perhaps give in to something i pay to play.

Think WOW has a free trial period?Is it a sample of the whole game or is the experience a total 180 of what it would be if you simply buy and join in? I tend to like a trial or demo before i drop cash on any game.

I kind of like the solo battles i get into on Wizard 101, its why Rift interests me. The social interactions are fun as well, helping out others makes the experience just so much better too.:)
 

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I started Rift for the second time Friday night and it's a good game in most respects. It's pretty, the mechanics are well developed at this point. It suffers from theme park-itis like most modern mmos. Everything is mapped out and indicated and planned and you really don't have to think about anything you're doing at the lower levels, at least. Later I'm sure the deep soul tree specialization might open up some possibilities, but at the lower levels it's a quest train. Just hop on and level up. Still, for an F2P game it is nicely done.
 

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We have played WoW up until the last expansion (Pandas) which we never looked at, but the years we spent when wow was still halfway good were excellent. MANY amazing memories and I still have to find a game where I was so involved with like WoW.

It's possible that WoW is still for you since, ADMIT IT GUYS, a lot of similar MMORPGs are just doing what WoW does.

My wife in the mean time is playing SWTOR which she likes and up until recently we played The Secret World also.

I personally liked The Secret World a lot, it has unique spins on things and some cool puzzles/quests in it. Although the World in TSW seems "smaller" say compared to WoW (yet not small by a long shot!) I thought that TSW had about the best designed levels and sceneries amongst all MMORPGs. (Minus the rather lame first level with the Zombies). It also has some bugs and can run like crap even on a fact PC, but I'd say you should give TSW a shot.

As for MMORPGs, it might depend what genre you like. Whether you like fantasy/medieval like Wow more....or a "modern" world like TSW.

Also..when you join a MMORPG, whether it's wow or TSW or whatever, you MUST join a good guild/cabal since without the social component MMORPGs are really just a fraction of the fun.

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Think WOW has a free trial period?Is it a sample of the whole game or is the experience a total 180 of what it would be if you simply buy and join in?
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Try to remember, it's the normal game but you may be capped to lvl 20. (?). And of course as a free player you will run from one limitation to another, limited chat, limited gold etc..etc..
 
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pathos

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How has WoW become casual friendly? Does it still require forced grouping and raids to get high end gear?

Alot of ways. But, one example, they added the "looking for a raid" tool. Now, you no longer have to be in a raiding guild, or a guild at all, to raid. You just enter yourself into a que.

And, the fight mechanics change when you do it that way. They stop having any intricate raid aspects, and turn into zerg fests, basically.
 

Aikouka

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I personally liked The Secret World a lot, it has unique spins on things and some cool puzzles/quests in it. Although the World in TSW seems "smaller" say compared to WoW (yet not small by a long shot!) I thought that TSW had about the best designed levels and sceneries amongst all MMORPGs. (Minus the rather lame first level with the Zombies). It also has some bugs and can run like crap even on a fact PC, but I'd say you should give TSW a shot.

Extra Credits has an interesting video on quest design where they focus on one of The Secret World's quests to show how different and puzzling it is compared to your usual MMO quests.
 

Thebobo

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Plain old EQ - it has free to play options.

Rift - I still play now and then. Good game.
 

brandonb

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WoW doesn't offer anything over competitors these days and its a subscription game.

Rift is pretty much a WoW clone, and it's free to play. And honestly. RIFT is probably the better game anyhow between the two.

However, I'm still playing EQ 1..
 

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I think FFXIV is one of the most well-rounded MMOs available currently. It was a little threadbare in it's earliest months but all three of the major patches (third dropping tomorrow) has added a number of secondary and tertiary activities to enjoy in addition to the old standards of levelling/raiding.
 

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I think Aion and TERA are both more interesting games than RIFT, and just as free to play. Aion in particular had a very deep PvP endgame. I'm not sure how much of that is still around at this point.

RIFT looks and plays very dated. So does Wildstar for that matter ...
 

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I like Tera as F2P. The combat mechanic is different and fun to play with and the characters are pretty to look at.

Guild war 2 I've heard good things about. It's also free after initial purchase and I have a lot of friends that play it on and off. It's great to jump into and out of, apparently.

For paid options, I think FF14 is the best selection of the lot right now. Wouldn't say it has a ton of content, but for something that's less than a year old it's had 3 major content patches (newest one going in tomorrow) and numerous little ones.
 

skipsneeky2

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Lots of new options nice:) In Wizard 101 i am at rank 11 and nearly bored cause i have done every quest without unlocking premium areas and all i could do for the moment is fight main bosses and grind xp and get to 15 hopefully before i could drop cash on the game to unlock the premium areas and continue with new stuff.

Neverwinter looks nice, the dlc is a bit of a turn off but i am willing to spend the cash if the base game itself is excellent. Rift will be downloaded today, see how it fares but from youtube gameplay videos the game looks massive and quite fun.:)
 

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I think we could get a sticky on "which MMO should I dip my toes into?" since this pops up often enough. Here are the MMOs I've had recent experience with, in no particular order:

1. D&D Online. The original MMO. Very dated graphics, not much D&D left in it, only a gear grind at the top. Paywalls for content after the first few dungeons. You could grind for years and unlock everything without paying a dime, but probably won't. You will want to find groups, solo is painful.

2. Lord of the Rings Online. Pretty much same as #1, same company.

3. Star Trek Online. You can play the whole game without paying a dime, and it's quite enjoyable. Being "uber" endgame will cost you either a lengthy grind or some serious coin. You *will not* group up until endgame, at which point you can either seek likeminded raiders or just PUG it for endgame content.

4. Star Wars the Old Republic. WoW clone with lightsabres. First 50 (out of 55) levels are f2p, with gear (and other) restrictions. Game has its hand out the entire time asking you to subscribe *and* spend money in the cash shop. Very solo friendly.

5. Eve Online. Very different gameplay than any other MMO, based mostly on trading your time playing for other things. Most commonly used items are player produced. You can solo with multiple accounts and clients (which can run on the same machine).
 

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Star Trek Online. You can play the whole game without paying a dime, and it's quite enjoyable.

I might give this a try. How is the navigation/ship physics? Is it at all realistic? What is the view when piloting? Third-person or a first-person bridge view?
 

Craig234

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1. D&D Online. The original MMO.

Not even close.

This has been a recent 'troll' in Rift chat at least, people say 'WoW is the original MMO' because they think they're cute getting the responses correcting them.

Assuming you're not doing that, there have been large online role-playing games for a long time, on systems such as CompuServe.

Meridian 59 is often referred to as 'the original MMORPG'. A breakthrough game was Ultima Online; the next breakthrough was Everquest, going from the overhead 3rd person playstyle to a first-person game. Pretty much everything after that is derivative and another flavor of EQ.

Those are the more reasonable answers to 'first MMORPG', which I think are the same answer as 'first MMO' since the early ones were MMORPG's.

The next major 'breakthrough' perhaps is World of Warcraft, but because of its success and big-budget polish, not its technical design. It's a pretty clear Everquest sequel.
 

Craig234

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I might give this a try. How is the navigation/ship physics? Is it at all realistic? What is the view when piloting? Third-person or a first-person bridge view?

I don't want to discourage you from the game - I saw lots of people play and love it, and if you do, great.

My experience was that I like Star Trek, but did not like the game much for these reasons:

Combat - well this was going to be a problem regardless, as the TV show combat is not well suited to a game - so anything they came up with was going to have to be pretty different from that - but I just didn't enjoy it that much. I can see where people could get better at it, and there were things to learn, like much in the game they didn't make it that clear.

Obscure gameplay - I found this to probably be the game hardest to get good info on the items and skills and such. You'd get a drop of some item with no idea what it does - and file it away hoping to find out someday. You'd be asked to pick skills for crew members - and have little idea what good choices were. Even just trying to play, you might find yourself entering a zone where you're killed in a couple seconds by a higher level enemy fleet and find it hard to leave.

Some of that is common in MMO's, but I thought it was worse in this one.

I thought they tried on some areas - like ground combat missions - but they didn't seem that fun, either. They did make an effort to make some 'alien' environments, and there's a lot to like in the art and graphics, but even the 'wow this looks great' flying in space gets old soon.

Some things were nice - the missions with the actual cast such as Takei and Nimoy were a highlight.

To your questions - my recollection is that 'physics' didn't seem that much in the design, and if I recall the view was mostly third person but not a problem. It's been years since I played it, so I might not remember all the views or they might have changed.

So, I'd say give it a try and I hope you are one of those who love the game, but I have to say I didn't like it the way I'd like to.
 

MongGrel

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Maybe I should go back to Rift, I was crushing it with my Rogue when it came out.

Haven't played it in over a year though, at least.

No offense intended, but always heard STO sucked a bit.

Eve is time sensitive heavily for leveling, as in you can't power level and people have been doing it many years. That and very cutthroat, about as cutthroat as you can get. I've played it a couple times over the years and to really do much you will be spending some cash.

LOTRO I had two accounts and had my own private guild for awhile and a guild house and a whole area that was just mine.

Have been tempted to try it out again since they have put PVP besides the one zone with the alt characters in, but just haven't I guess.
 
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