Explaining the Tea Party

[techs]

(btw this also applies to the other end of the political spectrum)

Think of them as little children. A little kid named Bob. Now Bob gets a 5 dollar a week allowance from his dad, Bill. Bob uses the money to do his favorite thing in the world, go to the park. The park was built with town money, but the costs to run it are funded by a dollar a day entrance fee. Bob goes to the park 5 days a week, but of course would like to go everyday.

Along comes an adult named Joe. Joe is a Tea Bagger. He tells Bob he knows how Bob can go to the park every day. If Bob gets his dad to elect a Tea Bagger then Bills taxes will be cut and Bob can do to the park every day. And it works! Without Bills tax money the parks maintenance can’t be kept up. So the town raises the fee to 1.50 a day. Now Bob can only go to park 4 days a week.

Then Joe tells Bob of a great idea. If the town hires cheap out of state labor to perform maintenance they can reduce the cost back to a dollar.

Being a kid who wants what he wants, and wants it now, Bob doesn’t listen to the older kids who tell him their dads work at the park and will lose their jobs. So the cheaper workers are hired and replace the taxpaying workers. So, shortly the town once again can’t afford to keep up the park and raise the fee to 2.00 a day.

But Joe has another great idea. Just put off maintenance on the park. And so the fee goes back down to a dollar.

Meanwhile Bob’s father who is a tailor has lost the business from the laid off park workers. So Bob now only gets 4 dollars a week.

Before Joe arrived Bob went to the park 5 days a week, and the town kept the park up. Now Bob goes only 4 times a week and the park is decaying.

So Joe has another idea. The poorer kids dads don’t pay as much in taxes yet still get to go to the park for the same daily fee. Let’s end the town funding and charge everyone the same to go to the park.

So, Bobs dad has lower taxes and he can afford to send Bob to the park everyday. But the poorer kids can’t afford to go the park at all. And the fee goes up to 5.00 day. And Bob goes to the park once a week.

Bob is MAD. Why could he go to the park 5 days a week in the past and only one day now?

Joe says hasn’t everything I told you turned out true? Listen now because I have the answer.

Let me buy the park. I will run it for the town. I can do a better job and I promise you that you will be able to go everyday. So Joe buys the park, and all the surrounding parks. Bob starts going to the park everyday. But Joe says he can’t afford to run all these parks so he closes all the parks except Bobs.

And Joe raises the fee to 10 dollars a day and Bob can’t go the park at all.
When Bob complains Joe tells him its his fathers fault for not being rich.

 

[BoomerD]

Rofl....

 

[PJABBER]

My, my, my, the Angry Left is back! And the elections have not even kicked them out of office yet! I can hardly wait to see them froth at the mouth and paw futilely at the ground come November 3d.

 

[IronWing]

My, my, my, the Angry Left is back! And the elections have not even kicked them out of office yet! I can hardly wait to see them froth at the mouth and paw futilely at the ground come November 3d.

What exactly do you think will change with this election? Even the most whacked out tea partiers only expect to gain sufficient seats to cause gridlock. Gridlock is easy. Change is very hard. With gridlock we'll see year long continuing resolutions to keep government running and not much else. No repeal of the health bill, no reductions in spending, no tax cuts. Remember, to repeal Bush's irresponsible tax cuts Congress has to do absolutely nothing. If it's gridlock then the tax cuts get repealed and government collects more money.

 

[techs]

What exactly do you think will change with this election? Even the most whacked out tea partiers only expect to gain sufficient seats to cause gridlock. Gridlock is easy. Change is very hard. With gridlock we'll see year long continuing resolutions to keep government running and not much else. No repeal of the health bill, no reductions in spending, no tax cuts. Remember, to repeal Bush's irresponsible tax cuts Congress has to do absolutely nothing. If it's gridlock then the tax cuts get repealed and government collects more money.

Actually I think the Tea Baggers will have some success with gridlock. We have serious problems in this country and the Tea Party policies of basically doing nothing will be aided by gridlock.

 

[PJABBER]

What exactly do you think will change with this election? Even the most whacked out tea partiers only expect to gain sufficient seats to cause gridlock. Gridlock is easy. Change is very hard. With gridlock we'll see year long continuing resolutions to keep government running and not much else. No repeal of the health bill, no reductions in spending, no tax cuts. Remember, to repeal Bush's irresponsible tax cuts Congress has to do absolutely nothing. If it's gridlock then the tax cuts get repealed and government collects more money.

Oh, I expect that we may have more of a backlash than plain ol' gridlock. Remember, the government is funded by the Congress. I expect the new Congress to starve the beast.

The expiring Bush tax cuts? They will be voted on by a lame duck Democrat Congress. No extension will result in the largest tax increase in the nation's history at a time of economic malaise. The election will be done by then, but it is only two years till the next. You think the Dems are despised now? If they don't extend the cuts in the two months they will have left, the will set the stage for a complete rejection of what is left of their agenda.

The government will collect more money through a massive tax increase? LOL, that level of tax increase will shut down the investment spending that is required for economic recovery.

Sure, the government will get a higher percentage, but the government will net lower revenues, maybe much lower. And then the beast will be starved to such an extent that it might result in a fundamental transformation of the entire infrastructure that has been growing since FDR.

 

[techs]

Oh, I expect that we may have more of a backlash than plain ol' gridlock. Remember, the government is funded by the Congress. I expect the new Congress to starve the beast.

The expiring Bush tax cuts? They will be voted on by a lame duck Democrat Congress. No extension will result in the largest tax increase in the nation's history at a time of economic malaise. The election will be done by then, but it is only two years till the next. You think the Dems are despised now? If they don't extend the cuts in the two months they will have left, the will set the stage for a complete rejection of what is left of their agenda.

The government will collect more money through a massive tax increase? LOL, that level of tax increase will shut down the investment spending that is required for economic recovery.

Sure, the government will get a higher percentage, but the government will net lower revenues, maybe much lower. And then the beast will be starved to such an extent that it might result in a fundamental transformation of the entire infrastructure that has been growing since FDR.

Just as I thought. You are one of those people who actually want an economic collapse in the U.S.
You are the enemy of America.
Anyone who not only supports but actively works for their nations economic collapse is at best a terrorist and at worst a traitor.

 

[IronWing]

Oh, I expect that we may have more of a backlash than plain ol' gridlock. Remember, the government is funded by the Congress. I expect the new Congress to starve the beast.

The expiring Bush tax cuts? They will be voted on by a lame duck Democrat Congress. No extension will result in the largest tax increase in the nation's history at a time of economic malaise. The election will be done by then, but it is only two years till the next. You think the Dems are despised now? If they don't extend the cuts in the two months they will have left, the will set the stage for a complete rejection of what is left of their agenda.

The government will collect more money through a massive tax increase? LOL, that level of tax increase will shut down the investment spending that is required for economic recovery.

Sure, the government will get a higher percentage, but the government will net lower revenues, maybe much lower. And then the beast will be starved to such an extent that it might result in a fundamental transformation of the entire infrastructure that has been growing since FDR.

Pipe dreams. The tea party candidates, should they win election, will be told by their party bosses to sit in the back row and shut up just like all first term congress critters get told. Should they last in Congress long enough to amass sufficient seniority, they will by then be co-opted by the lobbyists and things will continue as they have. The beast won't starve. Too many large private interests sucking at that tit to let the sow die.

 

[Darwin333]

What exactly do you think will change with this election? Even the most whacked out tea partiers only expect to gain sufficient seats to cause gridlock. Gridlock is easy. Change is very hard. With gridlock we'll see year long continuing resolutions to keep government running and not much else. No repeal of the health bill, no reductions in spending, no tax cuts. Remember, to repeal Bush's irresponsible tax cuts Congress has to do absolutely nothing. If it's gridlock then the tax cuts get repealed and government collects more money.

Gridlock IS exactly what they are expecting to change. Gridlock isn't always bad and it isn't always good, it depends on which side you are on and who is in power. To the righties, gridlock is manna from heaven compared to 2 years ago when Obama first got elected. While gridlock won't help the rights agenda it will stop or at least drastically slow down the lefts agenda.

Personally, I like split rule. When one party controls all branches of government it tends to not work out that well for us. When the power is somewhat split then compromise at some level must be made and that usually weeds out the really dumb shit from both parties... or nothing gets done which at least means they haven't fucked anything up. Its rather irrelevant though for the real issues like, I dunno, enforcing the rule of law on the uber-elites. Naw, that won't happen because those same people own both parties. I can't wait to see what they do with this foreclosure mess the banksters have gotten themselves into. I wonder if they will threaten Armageddon again if they don't get to circumvent due process and black letter law.

I do have to give Obama props for vetoing HR3808 which would have allowed the banksters to circumvent state law. I find it amazing that the bill was passed, very quietly I might add, in the first place AND from what I can tell it was done by a voice vote in both the House and Senate so we can't even see which assholes voted for it.

As far as the tax cuts, neither party is going to let the tax cuts expire because they like their jobs. Health care is not going to get repealed anyway so I don't see the point in debating it but it will be interesting to see if the Republicans block or help fixing the fucked up parts of the bill they didn't read before passing it like the 1099 requirements.

 

[Darwin333]

Just as I thought. You are one of those people who actually want an economic collapse in the U.S.
You are the enemy of America.
Anyone who not only supports but actively works for their nations economic collapse is at best a terrorist and at worst a traitor.

Then why hasn't your party locked up the assholes that have been proven to do just that? Oh thats right, the banksters own your party too. Guess you can't do much about that, they gotta do what massa tells them to, but some guy on an internet forum probably isn't a bankster so he is fair game.

 

[PJABBER]

Just as I thought. You are one of those people who actually want an economic collapse in the U.S.
You are the enemy of America.
Anyone who not only supports but actively works for their nations economic collapse is at best a terrorist and at worst a traitor.

My, my, my, such angry words! Such an Angry Leftist!

First, I am not in the Congress, nor am I responsible for their actions or inactions. So I don't believe your insults should be applied to me.

Though I do my best to actively advocate for economically sensible action, it seems outside the competence of most of our elected representatives in the Congress. Maybe this is because they are mostly lawyers rather than, well, anything else.

"The first thing we do," said "Dick The Butcher" in Shakespeare's Henry VI, is "kill all the lawyers." I don't think we are yet at this point, I would rather just remove them from any further responsibility for the welfare of the nation.

Second, I have spent a good portion of my life in service to the ideals represented by the Constitution of the United States. At great personal cost. I kinda think you haven't. Why was that? No pressure.

Third, I rather think that it is way past time for a significant change in the entrenchment of powers in the federal government. I don't know that the new Congress will be any better than the four years of the Democrat dominated Congress we have experienced, but I would anticipate that it will be "different." I don't know how, but I am willing to go that route than the one we have been on, to our great dismay.

 

[techs]

My, my, my, such angry words! Such an Angry Leftist!

First, I am not in the Congress, nor am I responsible for their actions or inactions. So I don't believe your insults should be applied to me.

Though I do my best to actively advocate for economically sensible action, it seems outside the competence of most of our elected representatives in the Congress. Maybe this is because they are mostly lawyers rather than, well, anything else.

"The first thing we do," said "Dick The Butcher" in Shakespeare's Henry VI, is "kill all the lawyers." I don't think we are yet at this point, I would rather just remove them from any further responsibility for the welfare of the nation.

Second, I have spent a good portion of my life in service to the ideals represented by the Constitution of the United States. At great personal cost. I kinda think you haven't. Why was that? No pressure.

Third, I rather think that it is way past time for a significant change in the entrenchment of powers in the federal government. I don't know that the new Congress will be any better than the four years of the Democrat dominated Congress we have experienced, but I would anticipate that it will be "different." I don't know how, but I am willing to go that route than the one we have been on, to our great dismay.

"The first thing we do," said "Dick The Butcher" in Shakespeare's Henry VI, is "kill all the lawyers." I don't think we are yet at this point, I would rather just remove them from any further responsibility for the welfare of the nation

You do realize Dick the Butcher was an anarchist?:

The accolade is spoken by Dick the Butcher, a follower of anarchist Jack Cade, whom Shakespeare depicts as "the head of an army of rabble and a demagogue pandering to the ignorant," who sought to overthrow the government. Shakespeare's acknowledgment that the first thing any potential tyrant must do to eliminate freedom is to "kill all the lawyers"

Which is why this is the rallying cry fascists and communists.

We are a government of laws. That is what this country is built on. With all due respect, if you don't believe that then a country like China is more suited to you.

 

[BoberFett]

techs, LOL.

 

[PJABBER]

We are a government of laws. That is what this country is built on. With all due respect, if you don't believe that then a country like China is more suited to you.

Lawyers take Dick the Butcher's words as a compliment!

 

[techs]

Lawyers take Dick the Butcher's words as a compliment!

Well, Republican lawyers do. I'm not sure about Tea Bagging lawyers. I have yet to find one who can pass the bar. Or any bar, for that matter.

 

[PJABBER]

Well, Republican lawyers do. I'm not sure about Tea Bagging lawyers. I have yet to find one who can pass the bar. Or any bar, for that matter.

LOL! Pride goeth before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.

Are you a lawyer?

 

[techs]

LOL! Pride goeth before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.

Are you a lawyer?

Hell no.

 

[PJABBER]

Hell no.

OK, so you would be second in line! No pressure.

 

[WHAMPOM]

My, my, my, such angry words! Such an Angry Leftist!

First, I am not in the Congress, nor am I responsible for their actions or inactions. So I don't believe your insults should be applied to me.

Though I do my best to actively advocate for economically sensible action, it seems outside the competence of most of our elected representatives in the Congress. Maybe this is because they are mostly lawyers rather than, well, anything else.

"The first thing we do," said "Dick The Butcher" in Shakespeare's Henry VI, is "kill all the lawyers." I don't think we are yet at this point, I would rather just remove them from any further responsibility for the welfare of the nation.

Second, I have spent a good portion of my life in service to the ideals represented by the Constitution of the United States. At great personal cost. I kinda think you haven't. Why was that? No pressure.

Third, I rather think that it is way past time for a significant change in the entrenchment of powers in the federal government. I don't know that the new Congress will be any better than the four years of the Democrat dominated Congress we have experienced, but I would anticipate that it will be "different." I don't know how, but I am willing to go that route than the one we have been on, to our great dismay.

I hope your understanding of Shakey's plays is worse then that of the Constitution. LOL!!
What did you do? Missread the Cliff notes?

 

[PJABBER]

I hope your understanding of Shakey's plays is worse then that of the Constitution. LOL!!
What did you do? Missread the Cliff notes?

LOL! I rather think that both you and tech fail to understand my word play and the double and triple meanings in my posts! Such impotence on your parts gives me a shiver up my leg!

Sigh, the utter failure of modern education raises its ugly head once more.

 

[JSt0rm]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Armey
^ he is the leader. The outsider lol.

 

[MotF Bane]

techs, LOL.

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[Whoozyerdaddy]

LOL... true conservatives find their balls and a bank account and lefties lose their minds and write stupid parables about parks. :awe:

 

[CallMeJoe]

LOL... true conservatives find their balls and a bank account and lefties lose their minds and write stupid parables about parks. :awe:

If Sharron Angle, Rand Paul, Christine O'Donnell, Carl Paladino, Joe Miller, Rich Iott, etc., are what passes as "true conservatives", the Right is in far worse shape than I realized.

Barry Goldwater must be positively gyroscopic to have such people labeled "Conservative".

 

[JSt0rm]

We all said that Bush killed the republican party and its true. It's thrashing about in its death throws but dead it is.