Explain why World of Warcraft is great to me

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: haduken
Stay the hell away from any game that requires a serious time commitment. At that point they change from games of pleasure into priority hobbies that take away from personal development.

That game consumed me for a year. Don't start if you like to be the best at what you do.

It's only a 'priority hobby' if your guild sucks. I raid but I'm in a casual raiding guild. We'll never be the first to down a single thing but we still get to do things we never would without the guild setup we have. It's perfect.

 

[RaiderJ]

I played for three months with a dwarf priest. Excellent character for solo'ing. Basically, the game is a great way to kill a couple hours everyday. You can always play for a month, cancel your subscription, then continue later on since they save your character.

Fun if you play with friends too.

 

[torpid]

I hope the level 70 content is a lot better than the pre-BC level 60 content. Otherwise I can't agree that the game starts at 70. When the cap was 60, the game basically ended at 60 and a new one that was extremely frustrating began. This new game is basically a chat room where you just shoot the crap with some people you probably wouldn't be friends with in real life for 4 hours while hitting one or two buttons over and over until the giant drake drops dead and leaves a purple item that you won't be able to even think of asking for until one month from now.

Sometimes, for variety, they mix in some moving 10 feet and then coming back with the button pushing.

There's a variation on the new game where you spend 4 hours forming a pickup raid and then wipe 30 times in 30 minutes on the first two enemies of MC.

So, hopefully they've gotten rid of that sort of BS in the level 70 content... seems unlikely.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: torpid
I hope the level 70 content is a lot better than the pre-BC level 60 content. Otherwise I can't agree that the game starts at 70. When the cap was 60, the game basically ended at 60 and a new one that was extremely frustrating began. This new game is basically a chat room where you just shoot the crap with some people you probably wouldn't be friends with in real life for 4 hours while hitting one or two buttons over and over until the giant drake drops dead and leaves a purple item that you won't be able to even think of asking for until one month from now.

Sometimes, for variety, they mix in some moving 10 feet and then coming back with the button pushing.

There's a variation on the new game where you spend 4 hours forming a pickup raid and then wipe 30 times in 30 minutes on the first two enemies of MC.

So, hopefully they've gotten rid of that sort of BS in the level 70 content... seems unlikely.

I'm not trying to persuade you to change your mind because your mind is obviously already made up based on your experiences. However...

Your complaint about pickup raids is a little ridiculous. End game raid instances require at least a little bit of coordination, skill, and team work... three things the majority of pickup groups lack, so it's no wonder you wiped repeatedly in MC.

Also, if the amount of fun you have is directly proportional to how many "purple items" you receive, it's no wonder you're not having any fun. Besides the fact that they're epic items and they wouldn't be special if everyone could get their hands on any purple item they wanted, focusing on loot takes the fun out of the game.

The expansion has a lot more 5 man content for level 70's and a lot more solo content. Reputation is a huge part of the expansion, and a lot of the quests to get reputation are solo quests. The rest you'll have to get by running 5 man instances and eventually raids. It seems fairly common to get purple items when so many of them are crafted and only require Revered reputation to get some of the patterns. Also, bosses in instances like Karazhan (which requires some work to get keyed for) drop two purple items each usually. So purple items are a little more common, but still not easy to get. Pickup raids don't make it far in Karazhan.

Finally, the social aspect of the game is one of the biggest. If you're socializing with people you don't like, again, it's no wonder you're not having fun. WoW is full of douchebags, so unless you're a douchebag yourself, finding a good guild is necessary to enjoy the game.

 

[torpid]

The issue was the content. You can only spend so much time with the same group of 50 or so people doing the exact same thing over and over again before you start to stab yourself in the temple just because you are bored. I have zero friends I could spend 3 hours a day with doing the same activity over and over again. And those are my "close" friends.

I have read that the end game content is now mostly 5 man groups, which would likely mean that the encounters aren't as mind-numbingly stupid as MC and BWL were. So far I've enjoyed the early outlands instances and content, but I have this nagging fear that at some point it turns into the same thing when I have to farm for rep or similar. This whole heroic thing seems suspiciously like mind numbing farming.

Really, though, people were saying the same tired crap about the game starting at 60 before BC and it simply wasn't true. There was extremely limited content at that point and about half of it required a very organized and well-equipped guild and thus was inaccessible to roughly 75% of the population.

I'm playing BC now but I suspect that at some point it's going to turn into the same thing. So far it's a lot of fun, although I'm not really getting what's going on with kazzak, whom I've killed a few times yet somehow he seems to be wandering around in outlands now.

 

[wheresmybacon]

Originally posted by: MikeyLSU
I started playing today...don't really have any intention of keeping it after the trial is over, just wanted to see what it is all about. I just don't see myself playing any game where I have to pay a monthly fee...

Back to the point...I'm playing as a paladin and got to lvl 8. It doesn't seem too interesting so far though. Very repetative by just fighting enemy after enemy the same way.

There's your problem.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: torpid
The issue was the content. You can only spend so much time with the same group of 50 or so people doing the exact same thing over and over again before you start to stab yourself in the temple just because you are bored. I have zero friends I could spend 3 hours a day with doing the same activity over and over again. And those are my "close" friends.

I have read that the end game content is now mostly 5 man groups, which would likely mean that the encounters aren't as mind-numbingly stupid as MC and BWL were. So far I've enjoyed the early outlands instances and content, but I have this nagging fear that at some point it turns into the same thing when I have to farm for rep or similar. This whole heroic thing seems suspiciously like mind numbing farming.

Really, though, people were saying the same tired crap about the game starting at 60 before BC and it simply wasn't true. There was extremely limited content at that point and about half of it required a very organized and well-equipped guild and thus was inaccessible to roughly 75% of the population.

I'm playing BC now but I suspect that at some point it's going to turn into the same thing. So far it's a lot of fun, although I'm not really getting what's going on with kazzak, whom I've killed a few times yet somehow he seems to be wandering around in outlands now.

Well, there is a lot of content in BC. I don't get to play nearly as often as I want to, so maybe that's why it doesn't get as monotonous for me. I'd say at a minimum it should keep you occupied for a while. The new 25 man raids are no joke, and unless you're in one of the top guilds you're going to have to work at it.

WoW is not a never ending game though... once you're in full Tier 5 there's not a whole lot left for you to gain by playing if just playing the game with your friends isn't enough.

 

[NYHoustonman]

IMO if you're not into it yet and aren't feeling it, stay away (not sure if anyone has mentioned this)... Do yourself a favor and don't go looking for a reason to get hooked.

 

[Jules]

Originally posted by: Mem

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: Mem
The game is not for everybody,these are the things I hate, too much walking around at low levels and restricted on where you can go due to high mobs in a lot of areas,transportation could be better.
No guild hall or guild town,no personal house,if they can sort these things out then the game could be a lot better,

those things will add nothing to the game. they need more things to do once you hit max level, not another area to just stand around in.

it seems like all there is to do is pvp grind or raid grind. neither of which are fun. i'm not sure how much the expnasion fixed that but i doubt it did anything except add 10 more levels. once you hit 70 its probably still the same crap over and over.

I know that in SWG it added a real sense of being in a guild rather the very weak version you have in WoW.Any person that has played SWG and been in a guild knows what I mean. I have played a lot of MMORPGs and have yet to find one that was as much fun as SWG Pre CU,shame they ruined it with NGE and copied a few things from WoW.

Agreed.

 

[Smilin]

I've been quite surprised at the amount of new content in BC.

When I hit 60, pre-bc, it didn't take long at all to fall into "grinding instances" which was pretty much all there was to do. Since I've hit 70 in BC I've been playing for maybe a couple months now and there are still a few instances I've not seen. I also have an entire zone of 70 content that I've not been in much beyond grabbing the flight path.

I dig the 5 man stuff. You can pull off weekday instances instead of those massive organizational monsters like MC. It also gives pugs a reasonable chance at having a good run. Trying to pug MC or Ony or something was awful. I tried it twice outside of a guild and it was rough one time and a wipefest the other.

There are still some uber tough 5-10 man stuff that generally requires a guild.

Is it just me or does it seem like there are as many quests in BC as there were in all of pre-bc wow? Maybe not quite but BC was definately not a trivial expansion.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Smilin
Is it just me or does it seem like there are as many quests in BC as there were in all of pre-bc wow? Maybe not quite but BC was definately not a trivial expansion.

I'd say it's somewhere between one half to as many as, but I think that's a problem. Quests in BC are usually so meaningless and boring, they make these two follow-up quests in the Stalvan Mistmantle quest line look exciting and enthralling!

http://www.thottbot.com/q80
http://www.thottbot.com/q97

 

[ITPaladin]

LOTRO is live now.

Give that a try.

Emphasis seems more on fun questing, storyline in the quests (especially the epic storyline), and visiting the world of ME.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: ITPaladin
LOTRO is live now.

Give that a try.

Emphasis seems more on fun questing, storyline in the quests (especially the epic storyline), and visiting the world of ME.

Pfft, one does not simply walk into Mordor.

 

[torpid]

Tried the stress test of LOTRO, and thought, if anything, the quests were significantly weaker.

About BC quests, I find a lot of them fun. Not really sure what the point of the bombing runs are, but they were fun enough.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: ITPaladin
LOTRO is live now.

Give that a try.

Emphasis seems more on fun questing, storyline in the quests (especially the epic storyline), and visiting the world of ME.

When you play frodo and go to throw the ring in are there a bunch of other frodos standing there waiting or does it instance-out Mordor?

 

[Vidda]

I don't find it too 'fun', just addictive, as getting to the next level and/or getting new gear is such an addicting agenda.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: pontifex
it seems like all there is to do is pvp grind or raid grind. neither of which are fun. i'm not sure how much the expnasion fixed that but i doubt it did anything except add 10 more levels. once you hit 70 its probably still the same crap over and over.

That's what it sounds like. I played up until level 60 and then it became insanely boring. Doing a raid has to be the most tedious, uninteresting thing I've done in a video game. Add raid times to it and it's like having a second job. The leveling up part isn't too bad though.

 

[LeetViet]

When you stop doing something for fun, it becomes a job.

I enjoy raiding with my friends.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42
That's what it sounds like. I played up until level 60 and then it became insanely boring. Doing a raid has to be the most tedious, uninteresting thing I've done in a video game. Add raid times to it and it's like having a second job. The leveling up part isn't too bad though.

It's pretty much what the other poster said, once you stop having fun, it's a job. I think what really killed PVE raiding for me was the fact that when I was at college, I couldn't use Ventrilo. Raids being fairly quiet except for the little bit of chatter going on in raid chat or the class channel (actually we had a bit of chatter going on there)... it was boring. Also, you've really got to enjoy being around your guildies, or you're going to hate spending so much time with them. Finding one that you get along with can be kind of hard.

 

[SunnyD]

For what most everyone else said. I was a solo artist... I spent most of my time solo leveling up my characters to at the time level 60. Mostly because I play on MY schedule, not someone else's. I had a casual friendly guild that I join up, great people, there to help when I wanted/needed. It was reciprocated. But once I got my third character to level 60, I realized there was nothing left but to sit in Ironforge waiting, spamming for a raid invite, sit around for 2 hours as such, and either log off, or get invited, only to wait another 2 hours for the rest of the spots to fill up while people logged in and out, then finally spend 45 minutes waiting for everyone to get to wherever the raid was going, in the meantime losing a handful of people, causing us to wait another half hour for fillers for those spots, only to get into the raid and sit there spamming whatever key the raid leader said you had to or get kicked.

Whoopie.

It's either that or join a raiding guild which basically dictates your personal life - log in at this time for this raid or else... no thanks - I play on MY terms, not yours.

I quit in January of last year and had no desire to go back.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: SunnyD
For what most everyone else said. I was a solo artist... I spent most of my time solo leveling up my characters to at the time level 60. Mostly because I play on MY schedule, not someone else's. I had a casual friendly guild that I join up, great people, there to help when I wanted/needed. It was reciprocated. But once I got my third character to level 60, I realized there was nothing left but to sit in Ironforge waiting, spamming for a raid invite, sit around for 2 hours as such, and either log off, or get invited, only to wait another 2 hours for the rest of the spots to fill up while people logged in and out, then finally spend 45 minutes waiting for everyone to get to wherever the raid was going, in the meantime losing a handful of people, causing us to wait another half hour for fillers for those spots, only to get into the raid and sit there spamming whatever key the raid leader said you had to or get kicked.

Whoopie.

It's either that or join a raiding guild which basically dictates your personal life - log in at this time for this raid or else... no thanks - I play on MY terms, not yours.

I quit in January of last year and had no desire to go back.

that's an accurate description of trying to get a 20 man pickup game together yea. Awful stuff.

There is nothing wrong with raiding guilds tho. I'm in one. We have some signups for the big stuff. If you want to go you sign up if not.. meh. For the smaller stuff we just group. Nothing to it. With BC there are so many 5 man instances now that getting a "raid" together is quick and easy.

There are some raiding guilds that require you to attend X number of raids that are scheduled and all that. If you want to get nuts with your raiding this would be the way to go. It's not for me though. I prefer the casual. You can definately have it both ways.