explain this 3dmark2k3 weirdness ?!?!?

[Soulkeeper]

system config #1

General Information
Operating System Microsoft Windows 2000
DirectX Version 9.0a
Mobo Manufacturer ASUSTeK Computer INC.
Mobo Model <A7V>
AGP Rates (Current/Available) 4x / 1x, 2x, 4x
CPU AMD Athlon(tm) XP/MP/4 2099 MHz
FSB 105 MHz
Memory 768 MB

Display Information
Graphics Chipset NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200
Driver Name NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200 with AGP8X
Driver Version 4.3.4.5
Driver WHQL Certified No
Video Memory 128 MB
Core Clock 275 MHz
Memory Clock 602 MHz

Sound Information
Sound Adapter Driver Name SB Live! Audio [FF80]
Sound Adapter Driver Version 5.12.2.252

Benchmark Settings
Program Version 3DMark03 Revision 2 Build 0
Resolution 1024x768@32 bit
Texture Filtering Optimal
Pixel Processing / Antialiasing None
Post Processing false
Vertex Shaders Optimal

Main Test Results
3DMark Score 1588 3DMarks






system config #2

General Information
Operating System Microsoft Windows 2000
DirectX Version 9.0b
Mobo Manufacturer http://www.abit.com.tw/
Mobo Model NF7-S/NF7 (nVidia-nForce2)
AGP Rates (Current/Available) 8x / 8x
CPU AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 2205 MHz
FSB 200 MHz
Memory 1024 MB

Display Information
Graphics Chipset NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200
Driver Name NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200 with AGP8X
Driver Version 4.5.2.3
Driver WHQL Certified Yes
Video Memory 128 MB
Core Clock 275 MHz
Memory Clock 601 MHz

Sound Information
Sound Adapter Driver Name NVIDIA(R) nForce(TM) Audio
Sound Adapter Driver Version 6.14.348.0

Benchmark Settings
Program Version 3DMark03 Revision 2 Build 0
Resolution 1024x768@32 bit
Texture Filtering Optimal
Pixel Processing / Antialiasing None
Post Processing false
Vertex Shaders Optimal

Main Test Results
3DMark Score 1497 3DMarks




weird how 600+ bucks in upgrades don't get you too far

i am however very happy with this nf7-s
it hit 200fsb just fine

 

[Soulkeeper]

weird kt133 with pc133 outperforms an nforce2 system with pc3200

same vid card just the nf2 system has more mem and a higher clocked barton instead of a t-bred
also the kt133 system uses sb live! 5.1

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Firstly, you're comparing the 43.45 drivers to the 45.32s.
Secondly, your Ti4200 being non-DX9 will limit your scores to that range no matter what's backing it.
Thirdly, the nF2 chipset drivers (IIRC) still have issues with the APU/IDE scores and CPU utilization.

- M4H

 

[Soulkeeper]

so let's see 100mhz more clock speed
double the fsb speed
more than double the memory bandwidth
double the agp rate
double the cache
supposedly better sound

and i lose performance ??

i don't care what drivers i'm using that is rediculous
i'm not the only one that thinks that am i ??

 

[Soulkeeper]

the kt133 was the best athlon chipset ever made muahahahahaha !!!!!!

ohh well maybe it is just a 3dmark/driver thing what a bummer

i was expecting atleast 2000 on the nf2 system

 

[MercenaryForHire]

so let's see 100mhz more clock speed
Won't help your video card.

double the fsb speed
Won't help your video card.

more than double the (theoretical) memory bandwidth
Won't help your video card.

double the agp rate
Won't help your video card.

double the cache
Won't help your video card.

supposedly better sound
Irrelevant. No sound during tests.

Get the picture yet? The Ti4200 is what's holding you back. Any non-DX9 card will be massacred in 3DMark03. And yes, drivers do make a big difference - especially if the chipset drivers are lacking.

- M4H

 

[Soulkeeper]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
so let's see 100mhz more clock speed
Won't help your video card.

double the fsb speed
Won't help your video card.

more than double the (theoretical) memory bandwidth
Won't help your video card.

double the agp rate
Won't help your video card.

double the cache
Won't help your video card.

supposedly better sound
Irrelevant. No sound during tests.

Get the picture yet? The Ti4200 is what's holding you back. Any non-DX9 card will be massacred in 3DMark03. And yes, drivers do make a big difference - especially if the chipset drivers are lacking.

- M4H

there are sound tests in the benchmark and since i am not comparing to dx9 cards then it shouldn't matter
i am comparing two system configs using the same vid card
agp speed does help with like .5% heh
also there are cpu tests in the benchmark
all system components make a difference in 3dmark2k3 not just the vid card
so wether the upgrades help my vid card or not is irrellivant
the benchmark score as a whole is my main concern


but yeah i guess the nvidia drivers must suck or something....

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Soulkeeper

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
so let's see 100mhz more clock speed
Won't help your video card.

double the fsb speed
Won't help your video card.

more than double the (theoretical) memory bandwidth
Won't help your video card.

double the agp rate
Won't help your video card.

double the cache
Won't help your video card.

supposedly better sound
Irrelevant. No sound during tests.

Get the picture yet? The Ti4200 is what's holding you back. Any non-DX9 card will be massacred in 3DMark03. And yes, drivers do make a big difference - especially if the chipset drivers are lacking.

- M4H

there are sound tests in the benchmark and since i am not comparing to dx9 cards then it shouldn't matter
i am comparing two system configs using the same vid card
agp speed does help with like .5% heh
also there are cpu tests in the benchmark
all system components make a difference in 3dmark2k3 not just the vid card
so wether the upgrades help my vid card or not is irrellivant
the benchmark score as a whole is my main concern


but yeah i guess the nvidia drivers must suck or something....

I thought everyone knew that 3dmark2k3 is pretty much completely dependent on video card alone. You could have a p4 @ 5ghz but that same 4200..your score wouldnt improve much..at all...

 

[Dack76]

I thought everyone knew that 3dmark2k3 is pretty much completely dependent on video card alone. You could have a p4 @ 5ghz but that same 4200..your score wouldnt improve much..at all...

I second that

 

[sellmen]

If you want to compare the two systems, run 3dmark2001se, not 3dmark2003. 3dmark2003 is 90% GPU dependent - the same video card will give you approximately the same score.

 

[Soulkeeper]

yeah i know it's gpu dependent but i still didn't expect my score to drop

ohh well