Explain coilover suspensions to me

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DougoMan

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Are they fundamentally different/superior than a regular spring/strut suspension that cars come with?

If so, why don't any oems use them?

It surprises me that people are replacing suspensions on say, an M3, a car known primarily for its superior handling, with these seemingly much different suspension setups.
 

brblx

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define coilover. it used to just mean the coil was mounted on the damper. now it means dampers with adjustable lower spring mounts.

no, i would not consider the latter superior to a well-engineering non-adjustable setup. you're not changing the spring rate by raising or lowering it, just fucking up the damping.
 

Throckmorton

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A coilover is a combination of a shock absorber and a coil spring. There's no advantage except it makes the design simpler, since you only need 2 mount points instead of 4 (top and bottom of spring, top and bottom of shock absorber).
 
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brblx

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a lot of suspensions on higher end cars, especially performance ones with many points of articulation, often do not mount the spring on the front damper (and do not use strut-style upper mounts for the steering knuckle).

i agree that it's probably a cost/simplicity thing in many cases.
 

punjabiplaya

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simple and relatively cheap adjustable suspension setup

plus you get stickers in the box, they add like 50 whp
 

Bartman39

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Are they fundamentally different/superior than a regular spring/strut suspension that cars come with?

Simply put yes... Not sure if all understand just what can be done with coil over type suspension kits but the better units can be adjusted for both compression and rebound besides adjusting spring height and a simple change of spring rate will help with very precise suspension tuning... Most coil over kits are for either drag cars or light road cars such as the M3... Also the adjustments only take very little time as compared to a reg strut/coil or coil/shock suspension...

One thing to note is the coil over type suspension would not be very economical for major auto makers due to cost of mass production and the average Joe Smoe would not even care if his car had that kind of adjustments... But the weekend road warrior would...:thumbsup:


Stuff to look at for ya...

http://www.summitracing.com/search/...pension/Part-Type/Coil-Over-Kits/?Ns=Rank|Asc
 
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not familiar with adjustable compression rates. how is that accomplished? seems like you would have to move both the upper and lower mounting points, and even then, you'd just be pre-loading the spring- i would think performance would be the same once the car's weight is loaded onto it.
 

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not familiar with adjustable compression rates. how is that accomplished? seems like you would have to move both the upper and lower mounting points, and even then, you'd just be pre-loading the spring- i would think performance would be the same once the car's weight is loaded onto it.


Dont think of them as gas charged is the key... I dont think the adjustable compression type has this...? So without the gas charge you can meter the action from both directions and different rates either way... I ran a 10 second drag car a few years ago and it had a back half setup with ladder bars and coil overs which were Competition Eng. and they had both compression & rebound adjustments... The compression settings came in real handy to help control launches combined with the rebound settings... Nice smooth dip but the car would plant and weight transfer real well... Did 1.4-1.5 60ft times depending on conditions if memory serves...?


Basicly this setup lets the springs do their job without strange effects produced from a gas charged shock...
 

IcePickFreak

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I think a big reason people will swap to coilovers on street cars is because they allow you to lower the car while keeping a reasonable spring rate. Plus you can adjust the ride height right to your preference versus getting what you get with drop springs.
 

exdeath

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1) If the car has a 'modified' MacPherson strut system, with a more inboard spring not mounted over the damper, the spring has to be very large and heavy, as well as binding (buldging outward on compression due to being closer to the pivot point). Coil overs move the spring outward and over the damper where they have more linear movement and more leverage and can achieve the same wheel rate with a much lower spring rate and smaller lighter spring.

2) Adjustable spring perch with a simple spanner wrench for ride height adjustment.

3) Solid steel spherical bearing in the top plate eliminates flex, binding, creaking noises, suspension bounce, and wear and tear in the strut mount which is usually nothing more than a rubber donut.

4) Damper itself can be rebound/compression adjustable regardless of having a complete coilover replacement. Or in some cases someone simply wants a stiffer setup and the only means available for that make/model is with a complete aftermarket coilover conversion.

5) Upper mount is mounted in adjustable plates that allow quick and easy independant camber and caster adjustments.

6) Weight reduction, many coil over kits in addition to the spring weight previously described, focus on weight reduction using aluminum bodies, etc.


The term "coilover" was originally coined as it related to replacing stock suspensions that had a larger heavier inboard spring not over the strut, or even leaf springs. Most new cars today are already "coilover" stock, but replacement setups that are chosen for the other benefits are still called "coilover conversion kits".

So OPs example of an M3 which already has coilover struts from the factory, might have the entire coilover setup replaced with an aftermarket one that is adjustable or stiffer or has better mounts, but it was already "coilover" before it was replaced, so it's not really being "converted".
 
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exdeath

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not familiar with adjustable compression rates. how is that accomplished? seems like you would have to move both the upper and lower mounting points, and even then, you'd just be pre-loading the spring- i would think performance would be the same once the car's weight is loaded onto it.

Adjustable dampening is obtained via variable valving in the damper body. You're just controlling how much oil bypasses the damper piston. Think of a hydraulic piston that works similar to the twist to open spice dispensers that make the holes bigger or smaller.

Adjustable ride height coilovers are used with linear rate springs. If you have a 12" spring that is 600 lbs force per inch that is compressed (preloaded) by the perches to 10" with the vehicle at rest in neutral position, it's still only going to provide 600 lbs of force when the vehicle is pushed down the first inch and the spring is now 9" compressed. There would be 1800 lbs of force total in the spring, but 1200 is preload and not "seen" by the suspension, only that last 600 has an effect on the car.

You also start with a spring length that is best for your coilover model and desired right height. Too short and the spring bounces off the perches on rebound, too long and you have too much preload and coil bind where the spring starts bending outward and knocking into things like the piston tube, upper mount, inner fender, swaybar, etc. Incorrect spring length on a lowered vehicle is often the #1 cause of "excessive noise" and clunking sounds attributed to aftermarket coilovers.
 
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