Exodus from AMD Continues: COO, SVP Leave the Company.

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Arkadrel

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1 way to find out if its BD related or not... wait and see.
Buyout of amd or not? wait and see.

non of the above? just new CEO wanting his own ppl under him in those positions? wait and see.

Its a rather pisimistic outlook to assume its because of a BD problem... which also goes contra to everything we ve heard from AMD. They seem pretty excited about the new arch of this thing...and just reading JFAMDs blog and those explaintions of the new stuff they put into it, it doesnt sound like it should flop.

"Bulldozer goes to 11!" now that would be a ironic title for a blog, if it turns out to be a flop.

I dont think it ll be a flop, I just think people like to speculate and nvidia/intel guys love to hate on amd.
 

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There is a rumor out, that these are related to the SEC investigations about insider leaks in the chip business.
 

Lonyo

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If Llano and BD do fail you can bet they will be like "Oh that was all Dirk and those other 2 guys".

I know this because where I used to work we would always blame crap on the guy who quit/got fired. Sometimes even a year or more later.

Meyer resigned Jan. 10 amid reports of a clash with the AMD Board of Directors over the direction of the company. According to analysts, AMD has faltered in its server chip competition with larger rival Intel, being unable in recent years to build a strong case for its Opteron chips.
However, a larger issue appears to have been Meyer’s decision to forgo a strong push into the exploding tablet and smartphone spaces. Several months ago, Meyer and his executive team presented a strategic plan that reportedly disappointed directors, who were disappointed by AMD’s inability to take server market share from Intel and Meyer’s laid-back approach to tablets.
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Desktops-and-Notebooks/AMD-Loses-Two-More-Executives-571560/
That comment relates to why Meyer was 'let go of'.
The bolded section relates to the loss of Seyer.

Marty Seyer joined AMD in 2002 as the vice president of server business. In fact, the whole career of Mr. Seyer can be linked to server technology

Server guy goes and apparently the board has been displeased with AMDs performance in the server market.
 
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Phynaz

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Edit: Here's a thought: What if the board is in discussions of a buyout...with Nvidia. That could explain an exodus as many of the higher ups would probably rather flip burgers than work for JHH.

Not with the kind of golden parachutes that are negotiated for executives in the case of buyouts. They could go play golf daily for the next three years and walk away with millions.
 

Wreckage

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Not with the kind of golden parachutes that are negotiated for executives in the case of buyouts. They could go play golf daily for the next three years and walk away with millions.

If I recall Dirk's parting gift was $12 million.

I actually don't see NVIDIA as interested in AMD. They don't need the graphics business and they have already created an alternative to x86.

From what I hear the top suitor is Oracle. Although there could be others. Apple, HP, Sony? Probably others that are interested.

AMD is a good company with some bad luck in a cut throat market. Having a sugar daddy to take care of them could go a long way to keeping them competitive.
 

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AMD is a good company with some bad luck in a cut throat market. Having a sugar daddy to take care of them could go a long way to keeping them competitive.

good perhaps, but if i make exception of this year and 2010, they ve been losing money for a good decade, its amazing really that theyre still in business.
 

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Face->palm

SEC is investigating various people not the company. So not so ironic. The investigation isn't just AMD there was a ring of people in it from someone at AMD to someone at a supplier to Apple. So their investigation wasn't at all about one specific company. Actually the companies affected (and really they are the victims) are in many different areas of the high tech industry.
 

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Not with the kind of golden parachutes that are negotiated for executives in the case of buyouts. They could go play golf daily for the next three years and walk away with millions.

Exactly my point previously. No exec walks from a buy out unless they are stupid or got a super offer from somewhere else.
 

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it's hard to say that ati/graphics division hasn't been pulling it's own weight lately. However, at best this news is neutral regarding BD, at worst it is bad. Especially now, the last thing AMD wants to do is distract from the ongoing SB recall saga.


Edit: Here's a thought: What if the board is in discussions of a buyout...with Nvidia. That could explain an exodus as many of the higher ups would probably rather flip burgers than work for JHH.



If they managed to live with this executives till now, they could have waited one or two months, till Bulldozer comes out.
With a brand new product, a new CPU that replaces Flinstone era CPUs, it would be just a matter of management turnover.
I have the feeling they grasped this SandyBridge issue just on purpose: "it is going to reduce the impact in times when Intel gets hit with one billion bill and the partners have nothing to sell till April."
It would be pure speculation to st´retch the above in less pleasant waters "it is going to dilute the sensation when we present a CPU that can barely hold up with a non overclocked SandyBridge(and we know it happily works at 4,8GHz), 3 months before Intel gets out with IvyBridge."

Buyout?
The X86 architecture is a dinosaur.
If we would be at the height of X86 it would make sense to buy AMD. However X86 at the stage of a star going supernova; the only thing still fueling X86 is the miniaturization.
Sandy Bridge relies on 32nm for "new generation" performance.
Ivy Bridge should offer 20% more performance thanks to 22nm.
Rockwell is the last stage-16nm.
The architecture is, with smaller tweaks, the same.

After 16nm things get difficult. The cost of machinery and the complexity of producing such miniature is going to present both a technical and an enormous financial challenge.
Just look at TSMC problems at 40nm (Nvidia made a complex chip; great innovative effort almost ruined by manufacturing; only the second generation that we have now (500 series) managed to be at least properly implemented).

So, Ivy Bridge comes out this year.
Then Rockwell, and after Rockwell?
More cores? You would have to make an unthinkable revolution in the whole concept of programming to use more than 4 cores. And 4 cores are long mainstream.

Nvidia has already caught the opportunity that the 28nm and smaller manufacturing offers-integrating ARM cores inside GPUs. 16nm will make possible to throw X86 out of a gaming PC. And we all know that the majority of us does not run nothing more intensive than games. TSMC is already running sample 28nm GPU (2,4x performance).
Besides, regulatory organs would never give the permit to Nvidia to buy out AMD; on the other hand Nvidia needs every available dollar to push the GPUs they are developing right now (Maxwell; around 20nm).

For market regulatory reasons it's not possible for Intel to buy out AMD.
To Intel the brave new world created with the Larabee project is making available every delight that the incubus presented in the mentioned science fiction.

There is only one possibility of a buyout. A company that wants to shape the future of consumer computers, has the financial means and it's brave and visionary enough.
There is only one such company. Oracle

Apple is to concerned packing chinaware into glossy plastic.


A buyout would be greatly easier and less expensive if a 4core Bulldozer fails to reach Sandy Bridge.
Dreams about a 6core Bulldozer selling for 4 core SandyBridge are illusive. The cost of manufacturing is always going to be higher, besides, Intel has more efficient productive capacities and considerably more room to lower prices.
Intel management cannot just give the market share to AMD; the investors would throw them through the window if AMD increases market share.


Intel's future?
Intel is going to pay any price to buy Nvidia. Any.
"Hsung Hsung", CEO of Nvidia is probably already counting one billion due to pour on his personal bank account.
 

cbn

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Buyout?
The X86 architecture is a dinosaur.
If we would be at the height of X86 it would make sense to buy AMD. However X86 at the stage of a star going supernova; the only thing still fueling X86 is the miniaturization.
Sandy Bridge relies on 32nm for "new generation" performance.
Ivy Bridge should offer 20% more performance thanks to 22nm.
Rockwell is the last stage-16nm.
The architecture is, with smaller tweaks, the same.

After 16nm things get difficult. The cost of machinery and the complexity of producing such miniature is going to present both a technical and an enormous financial challenge.
Just look at TSMC problems at 40nm (Nvidia made a complex chip; great innovative effort almost ruined by manufacturing; only the second generation that we have now (500 series) managed to be at least properly implemented).

So, Ivy Bridge comes out this year.
Then Rockwell, and after Rockwell?
More cores? You would have to make an unthinkable revolution in the whole concept of programming to use more than 4 cores. And 4 cores are long mainstream.

Nvidia has already caught the opportunity that the 28nm and smaller manufacturing offers-integrating ARM cores inside GPUs. 16nm will make possible to throw X86 out of a gaming PC. And we all know that the majority of us does not run nothing more intensive than games. TSMC is already running sample 28nm GPU (2,4x performance).
Besides, regulatory organs would never give the permit to Nvidia to buy out AMD; on the other hand Nvidia needs every available dollar to push the GPUs they are developing right now (Maxwell; around 20nm).

For market regulatory reasons it's not possible for Intel to buy out AMD.
To Intel the brave new world created with the Larabee project is making available every delight that the incubus presented in the mentioned science fiction.

There is only one possibility of a buyout. A company that wants to shape the future of consumer computers, has the financial means and it's brave and visionary enough.
There is only one such company. Oracle

Apple is to concerned packing chinaware into glossy plastic.


A buyout would be greatly easier and less expensive if a 4core Bulldozer fails to reach Sandy Bridge.
Dreams about a 6core Bulldozer selling for 4 core SandyBridge are illusive. The cost of manufacturing is always going to be higher, besides, Intel has more efficient productive capacities and considerably more room to lower prices.
Intel management cannot just give the market share to AMD; the investors would throw them through the window if AMD increases market share.


Intel's future?
Intel is going to pay any price to buy Nvidia. Any.
"Hsung Hsung", CEO of Nvidia is probably already counting one billion due to pour on his personal bank account.

Speaking of fab costs, I wonder how much Intel can lower prices if we start seeing a serious ARM vs x86 shootout?

(This year seems to be punctuated by stories of ARM Mobile OSes wanting to become more like Desktop OSes.)
 

Arkadrel

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How fast are the fastest current dual core arm processors?

Zacate is like 75mm^2 and running 1.6ghz.
How fast is a dual core 1.1 Ghz Arm processor compaired to the 86x one?


If say... 86x is 5x times as fast, but uses 9x as much power,... I can see people that want low power go for it, but... most people wouldnt just want a processor that was 5x slower than their current one.


Also, I dont think things stop at 16nm... they will go lower than 16nm.
And when they cant get thinner... they ll start stacking layers upon layers (3d cube type thingy).

if 1 layer 32nm can give a sandy bridge...
imagine what 100layers (cube) of 16nm can give? ^-^


I dont think 86x is dieing atleast within the next 10years or so.
 

OBLAMA2009

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Speaking of fab costs, I wonder how much Intel can lower prices if we start seeing a serious ARM vs x86 shootout?

(This year seems to be punctuated by stories of ARM Mobile OSes wanting to become more like Desktop OSes.)

what i could never figure out is why arm device are more expensive than intel ones. an arm chip is $10 and yet iphone/droid costs $600. an intel chip is $100 and yet a computer costs $300.
 

Emulex

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amd should just merge with intel so we'd have good video and be done with amd crap for good .

let it be INTEL versus ARM