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Exit strategy for Iraq
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mastertech01
Moderator Emeritus Elite Member
We have to finish the Enter strategy before we get to the Exit strategy.
phillyTIM
Golden Member
Today there were three major bombings: Iraq, Israel & Afghanistan. Major infrastructure bombings occured in the past couple days in Iraq (water, oil). Jihad insurgents are flowing into Iraq faster than oil is flowing out, readying more attacks. Ba'ath Party & Republican Guard troops have not been caught, they are going underground to commit tactical, guerrilla attacks. The friendly-United Nations got bombed in Iraq. American forces are building a wall (fortress around their command center in Baghdad) cutting themselves away from partnering with the Iraqi people. Multiple bombings happened in Afghanistan, NBC News says "the Taliban is back". Israel sustains another Palestinine bombing, putting the US Roadmap for Peace into jeaopordy. It's still remain to be proven what caused the American blackout last week, which Al Quaida already reported to take responsibility.
And we have George Bush sitting here playing golf. The mofo who stirred up all this S##T in the first place.
Seems that Bush is not in the process of stamping out terror. Au contrairre'. He's created MORE.
The only exit strategy we may end up in the Middle East is the US leaving with it's tail between it's legs.
And that M#THERF#CKER BUSH is the one who will have caused us to look like the bumbling dumb baffoons that he is.
And we have George Bush sitting here playing golf. The mofo who stirred up all this S##T in the first place.
Seems that Bush is not in the process of stamping out terror. Au contrairre'. He's created MORE.
The only exit strategy we may end up in the Middle East is the US leaving with it's tail between it's legs.
And that M#THERF#CKER BUSH is the one who will have caused us to look like the bumbling dumb baffoons that he is.
Well of course since we live in a upside down world where love is hate, you should realize that all admired traits are a function of our sick upside down values too. Part of the way we are raised is that the most successful people, the ones we think are cool, are actually the most dead. In our sick world the trick is to get somebody stirred up so you can laugh at how they feel. The best players never feel anything but derision for those who do, because they are the most dead. The object of so much psychotic behavior is to stir somebody up so he can be communally laughed out of town. It's like chickens peeking a weak hen. The only difference is that the person who reacts does so because they are still partially alive. They haven't mastered the art of being completely dead. A word to the wise, Corn, if you care at all about life. How you treat others is a measure of the weight on your soul. It's called projecting ones self hate.
LunarRay
Diamond Member
Chemical or Biological Haughtiness or both?
The big question, I think, is: How were they, the Iraqi delivery system folks, going to deliver all that haughtiness upon the US? We can't leave Iraq until we uncover the WMH for fear the terrorist may dig the stuff up from its grave and use it somewhere. The exigent circumstance continues until the threat is extinguished. So I gather.
Lets make sure we are on the same page here, Corn. On a dark and stormy night things began as follows:
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PhillyTIM:
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And that M#THERF#CKER BUSH is the one who will have caused us to look like the bumbling dumb baffoons that he is.
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Corn:
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LOL, you remind me of a particular Bush hating moron at my office. Mention Bush and his face gets red and by the time he's done with his whimpering diatribe he's got a couple veins protruding from his skull. You two were probably seperated at birth.
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Moonbeam:
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Well of course since we live in a upside down world where love is hate, you should realize that all admired traits are a function of our sick upside down values too. Part of the way we are raised is that the most successful people, the ones we think are cool, are actually the most dead. In our sick world the trick is to get somebody stirred up so you can laugh at how they feel. The best players never feel anything but derision for those who do, because they are the most dead. The object of so much psychotic behavior is to stir somebody up so he can be communally laughed out of town. It's like chickens peeking a weak hen. The only difference is that the person who reacts does so because they are still partially alive. They haven't mastered the art of being completely dead. A word to the wise, Corn, if you care at all about life. How you treat others is a measure of the weight on your soul. It's called projecting ones self hate.
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Corn:
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So right you are Moonie, I should show pity toward anger filled fanatics like PT and my co-worker instead of fueling their rage with my devilish smirk when they pop off.....because it would be a shame for them to end up dead like me.
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So the first point is that you deselected most of my post to respond to, picking that portion which you felt you could most easily deflect.
Secondly I said nothing about what you should do or show to anybody. I gave you a description of a psychological process that happens everywhere in life regarding the treatment of people who still express emotional reactions to the inculcation of self hate, and those who have ceased to respond by playing dead, the well adjusted, as they like to refer to themselves. I did so because as an honest may you will appreciate seeing the truth, right? 😉 You chose to wiseacre and deflect by rearranging reality in a scenario more appealing to your approach. A more honest reply might have gone like this:
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Yes Moonie, you are right. I take great delight when liberals blow it by expressing rage. I can see that the game our sick society plays is a put-down war where the person who reacts emotionally loses. Feeling how bad we feel is a no no, and anybody expressing emotion is considered weak. The fact really is, I know, that only by feeling can we experience a real sense of being alive, but to be alive is to be laughed at. Further I can see that my own suppressed anger is the source of delight I have in seeing others loose their temper. Since I can't allow myself to hate openly like they, I have to get my thrill by feeling superior to them. That is how my hate bleeds through. We are both the same, I'm just better at the game of being sick. Thank you for helping me to see.
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You are very welcome, Corn.
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PhillyTIM:
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And that M#THERF#CKER BUSH is the one who will have caused us to look like the bumbling dumb baffoons that he is.
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Corn:
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LOL, you remind me of a particular Bush hating moron at my office. Mention Bush and his face gets red and by the time he's done with his whimpering diatribe he's got a couple veins protruding from his skull. You two were probably seperated at birth.
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Moonbeam:
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Well of course since we live in a upside down world where love is hate, you should realize that all admired traits are a function of our sick upside down values too. Part of the way we are raised is that the most successful people, the ones we think are cool, are actually the most dead. In our sick world the trick is to get somebody stirred up so you can laugh at how they feel. The best players never feel anything but derision for those who do, because they are the most dead. The object of so much psychotic behavior is to stir somebody up so he can be communally laughed out of town. It's like chickens peeking a weak hen. The only difference is that the person who reacts does so because they are still partially alive. They haven't mastered the art of being completely dead. A word to the wise, Corn, if you care at all about life. How you treat others is a measure of the weight on your soul. It's called projecting ones self hate.
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Corn:
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So right you are Moonie, I should show pity toward anger filled fanatics like PT and my co-worker instead of fueling their rage with my devilish smirk when they pop off.....because it would be a shame for them to end up dead like me.
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So the first point is that you deselected most of my post to respond to, picking that portion which you felt you could most easily deflect.
Secondly I said nothing about what you should do or show to anybody. I gave you a description of a psychological process that happens everywhere in life regarding the treatment of people who still express emotional reactions to the inculcation of self hate, and those who have ceased to respond by playing dead, the well adjusted, as they like to refer to themselves. I did so because as an honest may you will appreciate seeing the truth, right? 😉 You chose to wiseacre and deflect by rearranging reality in a scenario more appealing to your approach. A more honest reply might have gone like this:
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Yes Moonie, you are right. I take great delight when liberals blow it by expressing rage. I can see that the game our sick society plays is a put-down war where the person who reacts emotionally loses. Feeling how bad we feel is a no no, and anybody expressing emotion is considered weak. The fact really is, I know, that only by feeling can we experience a real sense of being alive, but to be alive is to be laughed at. Further I can see that my own suppressed anger is the source of delight I have in seeing others loose their temper. Since I can't allow myself to hate openly like they, I have to get my thrill by feeling superior to them. That is how my hate bleeds through. We are both the same, I'm just better at the game of being sick. Thank you for helping me to see.
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You are very welcome, Corn.
LunarRay
Diamond Member
Yes Moonie, you are right. I take great delight when liberals blow it by expressing rage. I can see that the game our sick society plays is a put-down war where the person who reacts emotionally loses. Feeling how bad we feel is a no no, and anybody expressing emotion is considered weak. The fact really is, I know, that only by feeling can we experience a real sense of being alive, but to be alive is to be laughed at. Further I can see that my own suppressed anger is the source of delight I have in seeing others loose their temper. Since I can't allow myself to hate openly like they, I have to get my thrill by feeling superior to them. That is how my hate bleeds through. We are both the same, I'm just better at the game of being sick. Thank you for helping me to see.
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You are very welcome, Corn.
Yes! I concur in your analysis, Dr. Beamer. I would suggest "... bleeds through" is a slower process and unless the entirety is "bleed through" in a reasonable and beneficial time frame the resulting stress will change corn to carrots..
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You are very welcome, Corn.
Yes! I concur in your analysis, Dr. Beamer. I would suggest "... bleeds through" is a slower process and unless the entirety is "bleed through" in a reasonable and beneficial time frame the resulting stress will change corn to carrots..
Zebo
Elite Member
I should have said 43% haughtiness...GWB and many were pissed at SD's unwillingness to cow-towe to US, this pissed them off, after all we are supreme, who in the hell does saddam think he is? The rest is the loot...Been on the drawing board since the 70's. Tell you the truth I don't have that BIG of a probelm for the goods as long as Iraq gets destiny of it's profits and allocation of production... not hal.
DealMonkey
Lifer
Wouldn't corn, under those levels of pressure, change to cornbread? Or at least creamed corn?
Corn
Diamond Member
Deflect off what? I merely responed to that part which called me to do so.
In any event, you've got it backwards......its the dead who are desperate to feel alive, acting out their rage trying to free themselves from thier zombification. Pity, Moonie, behind this grin, pity them I do. Expressing one's emotions surely isn't a sign of weakness, being ruled by them at the exclusion of all else on the other hand.......
Very good Corn, you have stayed in the game to a point where meaningful things have been said. We have come far enough along that my backwardness has been clarified. See what you can do with this bit more:
"Expressing ones emotions surely isn't a sign of weakness, being ruled by them to the exclusion of all else on the other hand...." Hehe, I'm not sure why you didn't go ahead and spell out your feelings on that but we can assume you imply such a state of affairs is not good, something about which, behind your grin, you pity them for. Well now, I know it's neither here nor there, since I am a nobody, but these remarks of yours here impress me on a number of levels. They seem to posses a bit of character, honesty and integrity.
Lets start with the least self-flattering of the honest revelations you offer since we know that brutal frankness at times can be like confession. To grin when the feeling is pity.... Saying that says and means many things to me. It says that you feel helpless in the face of negative emotion. You know the emotion is sick which makes you feel sorry for the sick person, and you know that negative feelings are destructive, hence you would like to grin inferior the expression to try and turn it off, to deflect it from contaminating you, to shame the person to stop. All perfectly natural reactions in an upside down world. We can return to this more profitably after we examine how we are a bit deeper. What does someone feel who is raging at Bush? What is the root of that rage? How would anybody know? Is there a simple overarching principle at work? I say there is and the way the question gets answered is to have personally experienced that rage sufficiently to follow it down. This is what I suggest you will find:
Rage is a defense against sadness. Rage is a defense against tears. Sadness is a particularly tough issue for men so rage is an especially male disease. It is the reason that men are violent. They don't want to feel sad. So if you can get angry enough, if you can rage enough in the right setting, say your local men's support group or with a mentor who knows, you can get to your tears. When the damn bursts the flood of tears lasts seemingly for ever. Saddens, generalized sadness, is a defense against grief. So if you can cry and cry and cry you will cry so hard you will slip back to the past. You will be crying about something that's real, something that happened long ago. Then saddness becomes grief. Grief is saddness that's real. You know exactly why you cry. It's then you start to heal, because it's then you can finish out closed books. The bottomless pit of self pity has in fact a bottom. Grief fully experienced is grief transcended. This is naturally somewhat difficult to do.
So now we can understand a few things in relation to your comments. Yes, rage, constant rage is an illness. It is a suppressive instrument designed to block a deeper pain. But the cure is not to not feel rage, but to go all the way through, but consciously and in a setting where it's OK. So to pity the person who is angry has its up and its down. It's a pity we have to be angry, but pity can also be a defense against rage. 'I'm not going to allow myself to be so pathetic.' Hehe. Well of course that's even more pathetic because it's one step deeper asleep, one step farther removed from what you really feel, grief over the loss of your self. It's a pretense you aren't just like everybody else, infected with self hate, hate for your grieving self.
So we can get a glimpse of how the world is nuts:
The world: Anger is destructive; it is destroying our world. We will mock and put down the angry to make them shut up. We need to control.
Reality: Anger is destructive; it is destroying our world. It is the result of being mocked and put down as a child. Only through feeling and expressing can it be truly transcended, cured at the root. We need to love.
You can see there the conservative and the liberal and of course hopefully the potential for a third way.
LunarRay
Diamond Member
DealMonkey,
I said;
Yes! I concur in your analysis, Dr. Beamer. I would suggest "... bleeds through" is a slower process and unless the entirety is "bleed through" in a reasonable and beneficial time frame the resulting stress will change corn to carrots..
DM said;
Wouldn't corn, under those levels of pressure, change to cornbread? Or at least creamed corn?
The end result is often "creamed corn" but, not after a duration. The "Cornbread" would seem a stretch in that you'd have to dry out the corn then do what ever folks do to turn it into powdery stuff so you can make the bread.. I prefer flour tortilla and wonder bread, anyways, I've not consumed much of the stalk food.
But, In Ireland they use tatoe to make "pateen" I think it's spelt.. no wood alkyhall in there.. Makes the mind sore... (Pain) so I've observed. 🙂
I said;
Yes! I concur in your analysis, Dr. Beamer. I would suggest "... bleeds through" is a slower process and unless the entirety is "bleed through" in a reasonable and beneficial time frame the resulting stress will change corn to carrots..
DM said;
Wouldn't corn, under those levels of pressure, change to cornbread? Or at least creamed corn?
The end result is often "creamed corn" but, not after a duration. The "Cornbread" would seem a stretch in that you'd have to dry out the corn then do what ever folks do to turn it into powdery stuff so you can make the bread.. I prefer flour tortilla and wonder bread, anyways, I've not consumed much of the stalk food.
But, In Ireland they use tatoe to make "pateen" I think it's spelt.. no wood alkyhall in there.. Makes the mind sore... (Pain) so I've observed. 🙂
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