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Lifer
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Would be cool if you can take a pill and just be healthy :) maybe can also solve our obesity issue


Just Sitting Back to Get in Shape:
Two Pills Do the Work of Exercise
By MARK SCHOOFS and RON WINSLOW
August 1, 2008

"Exercise in a pill."

That's how researchers are describing two drugs that apparently mimic the effects of physical exercise on the body, raising prospects of new treatments against diseases, new ways to cheat at sports, and new rationalizations for couch potatoes to stuff themselves at brunch.


The Salk Institute
One of the study's tireless mice during its long-distance workout
In a series of startling experiments in mice, the drugs improved the ability of cells to burn fat and retain muscle mass, and they substantially prolonged endurance during exercise. Using one of the compounds for just a month, even sedentary, couch-potato mice improved their endurance running by a staggering 44%. Some mice that combined a month of exercise with the other drug bolstered their long-distance running by about 70% over untreated mice.

One of the drugs is already in late-stage human trials for other purposes, and the mouse experiments raise hopes for new strategies to protect people against obesity, diabetes and muscle-wasting diseases such as muscular dystrophy.

But underscoring the risks, one of the compounds has been withdrawn from human trials because of toxic side effects, and researchers said that the drugs could easily be abused by competitive athletes to enhance their performance. Researchers have already devised a test to detect them in blood and urine.

A spokesman for the World Anti-Doping Agency said in a written statement that, following policy, it wouldn't say when the test would go into use. But the statement noted that "a number of anti-doping organizations, including the International Olympic Committee, store doping control samples of their events for eight years for potential future retesting." A spokeswoman at GlaxoSmithKline, which developed one of the drugs, said that if athletes get their hands on the drug, "they won't be getting it from us."

The exercise-pill study, published Friday in the journal Cell, was conducted on mice, and it is possible that the drugs may show less benefit, or even none at all, when applied to humans. Still, the underlying genetic switches activated by the drugs appear to be the same in humans and mice.

ENHANCED ENDURANCE


? See video of two mice, one that received one of the drugs tested and another that didn't, exercising on treadmills.1
? Health Blog: Experimental Drug Boosts Endurance... in Mice2The researchers examined how the drugs acted on the cellular and molecular level, but they also evaluated the simple ability of mice to run on a treadmill. Unlike humans who may suffer a motivational issue before exercise, "mice are very good at running as far as they can," said principal investigator Ronald Evans, a researcher at the Salk Institute for Biological Sciences, La Jolla, Calif., and the Howard Hughes Medical Institute. "When they get exhausted they just stop running. They can't run any more."

First, Dr. Evans and his team gave the mice a drug known as GW1516, which used to be under development by GlaxoSmithKline as a drug against dyslipidemia, a disorder affecting cholesterol. Side effects forced the company to scuttle it, a Glaxo representative said.

Still, the drug enabled mice to run for more than three hours, compared with less than two hours for untreated control mice. But this drug's effect occurred only when the mice also got regular exercise; sedentary mice got no benefit from the drug. "This is the no-pain, no-gain drug," said Dr. Evans.

Based on research into the genetic switches that control endurance muscle cells, Dr. Evans and his team decided to give the mice a second drug: AICAR, or acadesine, which was recently licensed by Schering-Plough Corp. and is in late-stage trials for the prevention of problems that can occur during coronary surgery. This drug enabled even sedentary mice to run longer, as if they were in good physical condition. "That is the true couch-potato experiment," Dr. Evans said.

Anabolic steroids, often abused by athletes, enhance the performance of fast-twitch muscle cells -- those that provide power and speed. The two drugs being researched are among the first compounds shown clearly to improve the slow-twitch muscle cells used in endurance activities. Whereas fast-twitch muscle cells burn sugar, slow-twitch cells primarily burn fat, which means they could help combat obesity. Previously, resveratrol, found in red wine, was shown to enable mice to run farther, but exactly how it works on slow-twitch muscles isn't clear. A person would also have to drink "hundreds of bottles" of wine to get enough resveratrol to improve athletic performance, said Dr. Evans.

Patients who are bedridden or wheelchair-bound "can't exercise, and this would give them some of the benefits," said Joseph Hornyak, associate professor of physical medicine and rehabilitation at the University of Michigan at Ann Arbor. But the pills would be unlikely to provide all the benefits of real exercise. "People who exercise have lower levels of depression and higher bone density," said Prof. Hornyak. "Whether or not this pill would confer those benefits, we don't know."

The broadest appeal of the drugs may be for gain-without-pain preeners who would sooner pop a pill than strain themselves or a hamstring. Such "off-label" use is "not only a real possibility but a probability," said Dr. Evans.

If the medicine "results in better-looking people, that would be good," said comedian Fran Lebowitz. "All I have right now is a vision of slim, vain, lazy mice."

 

AgaBoogaBoo

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Tons of money for them, but the issue is in the person regarding obesity, and a pill alone might cure the side effects, but the underlying issues are what need to be changed.

This is a huge opportunity for them as a company, and it's amazing what they'll be able to help people do. My personal issue is when it's used to allow people to be lazy...
 

destrekor

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Hmm... can't deny that I'd be interested in such slow-twitch improvement drugs. I thoroughly enjoy sprinting and short-burst workouts, but endurance sessions kill me inside. My body can do it, yes, and I can run, well not sure how long, but let's say forever, at a slow pace if mentally prepared. We've done distance runs that the distance doesn't bother me, just the pace.

I've got a few mental kinks that I need to work out... somehow... to get myself faster at running. Kind of hit a plateau where I haven't improved run time in over a year... and I drastically need to break the plateau. Not saying drugs are the answer, but it'd be great to try, I'll admit.
Putting the fear in me gets me to break limits I never knew I could... but shit, I can't find a way to get that fear/intensity into regular routine exercise. Not yet at least.

But as far as general use, this would be great for the people who aren't physically capable of endurance training. Wonder if it can combat obesity at all in those not capable/willing to exercise...
 

irishScott

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Something tells me this is going to end up like fish oil. They improve health, but it's much better to just eat fish a couple of times a week.
"People who exercise have lower levels of depression and higher bone density," said Prof. Hornyak. "Whether or not this pill would confer those benefits, we don't know."

Personally I think it should be prescribed to the physically (and potentially mentally) handicapped/impaired only, with exceptions for a few serious diseases (ie: chronic heart problems that prevent regular exercise). Otherwise it's just a laziness pill.
 

irishScott

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Originally posted by: destrekor
Hmm... can't deny that I'd be interested in such slow-twitch improvement drugs. I thoroughly enjoy sprinting and short-burst workouts, but endurance sessions kill me inside. My body can do it, yes, and I can run, well not sure how long, but let's say forever, at a slow pace if mentally prepared. We've done distance runs that the distance doesn't bother me, just the pace.

I've got a few mental kinks that I need to work out... somehow... to get myself faster at running. Kind of hit a plateau where I haven't improved run time in over a year... and I drastically need to break the plateau. Not saying drugs are the answer, but it'd be great to try, I'll admit.
Putting the fear in me gets me to break limits I never knew I could... but shit, I can't find a way to get that fear/intensity into regular routine exercise. Not yet at least.

But as far as general use, this would be great for the people who aren't physically capable of endurance training. Wonder if it can combat obesity at all in those not capable/willing to exercise...

Find a friend with a long range airsoft/paintball gun and good aim. That'll put some fear into you. :D
 

Kadarin

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Originally posted by: irishScott
Something tells me this is going to end up like fish oil. They improve health, but it's much better to just eat fish a couple of times a week.
"People who exercise have lower levels of depression and higher bone density," said Prof. Hornyak. "Whether or not this pill would confer those benefits, we don't know."

Personally I think it should be prescribed to the physically (and potentially mentally) handicapped/impaired only, with exceptions for a few serious diseases (ie: chronic heart problems that prevent regular exercise). Otherwise it's just a laziness pill.

If it were safe to use, I'd use it and continue exercising as I already do. However, I have no moral issue with violating the "no pain, no gain" rule, as apparently you seem to.
 

destrekor

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Originally posted by: irishScott
Something tells me this is going to end up like fish oil. They improve health, but it's much better to just eat fish a couple of times a week.

ack. Never. I'm improving my ability to tolerate foods that taste horrible, but still very picky.
Seafood and most vegetables will be the last things to conquer. Until someone throws fish and broccoli at me and say... eat this or no food today... then fuck I'll eat it.. but only then.
Fish oil is something I'll readily take, as I refuse to eat seafood until it's a survival issue. That, and it's an experiment to see if it'll help with some ADD symptoms as has been promoted, but sadly not effectively studied as of yet. Soon, and maybe even at the moment it is being studied, but it's a lengthy process that could take anywhere from a few months to a better part of a year before changes can be observed. With the thorough lack of Omega 3's in my diet due to processed foods, lack of seafood, and controlled diets of farm-raised animals... I'm thinking there's a good chance Omega 3's will benefit my brain, that is, if my ADD symptoms are from a chemical imbalance, or something else...

Originally posted by: irishScott
Find a friend with a long range airsoft/paintball gun and good aim. That'll put some fear into you. :D

I think you've provided an idea, but sadly I don't think the Army instructors will like it.
Have cadre equipped with paintball pistols during PT. :D
One day.... one day :laugh:
 

AgaBoogaBoo

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Originally posted by: Kadarin
Originally posted by: irishScott
Something tells me this is going to end up like fish oil. They improve health, but it's much better to just eat fish a couple of times a week.
"People who exercise have lower levels of depression and higher bone density," said Prof. Hornyak. "Whether or not this pill would confer those benefits, we don't know."

Personally I think it should be prescribed to the physically (and potentially mentally) handicapped/impaired only, with exceptions for a few serious diseases (ie: chronic heart problems that prevent regular exercise). Otherwise it's just a laziness pill.

If it were safe to use, I'd use it and continue exercising as I already do. However, I have no moral issue with violating the "no pain, no gain" rule, as apparently you seem to.
That's a good point - for those who are exercising now, this might not be so bad if it helps them get more out of their routine.
 

destrekor

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Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
Originally posted by: Kadarin
Originally posted by: irishScott
Something tells me this is going to end up like fish oil. They improve health, but it's much better to just eat fish a couple of times a week.
"People who exercise have lower levels of depression and higher bone density," said Prof. Hornyak. "Whether or not this pill would confer those benefits, we don't know."

Personally I think it should be prescribed to the physically (and potentially mentally) handicapped/impaired only, with exceptions for a few serious diseases (ie: chronic heart problems that prevent regular exercise). Otherwise it's just a laziness pill.

If it were safe to use, I'd use it and continue exercising as I already do. However, I have no moral issue with violating the "no pain, no gain" rule, as apparently you seem to.
That's a good point - for those who are exercising now, this might not be so bad if it helps them get more out of their routine.

Agreed. For regular fitness, I'd have absolutely no problem with it, as long as it could be used and acquired legally. For competitive athletes, I'd definitely argue for its ban, and it seems the world would agree with that last point. For the lazy, I'd hate it, but like me... one who trains but is having a mental block on bettering performance, it could be a nice tool to help supplement regular training. If I could use it, I'd probably only need it to show myself its possible, get there, and then stay there/improve on my own. But I'm dreaming... will likely never be approved for use as a fitness aid in humans, at least not something you could go to a regular doctor as say "hey, I exercise regularly but need some help... can I get me some of that good stuff?". :D
 

irishScott

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Originally posted by: Kadarin
Originally posted by: irishScott
Something tells me this is going to end up like fish oil. They improve health, but it's much better to just eat fish a couple of times a week.
"People who exercise have lower levels of depression and higher bone density," said Prof. Hornyak. "Whether or not this pill would confer those benefits, we don't know."

Personally I think it should be prescribed to the physically (and potentially mentally) handicapped/impaired only, with exceptions for a few serious diseases (ie: chronic heart problems that prevent regular exercise). Otherwise it's just a laziness pill.

If it were safe to use, I'd use it and continue exercising as I already do. However, I have no moral issue with violating the "no pain, no gain" rule, as apparently you seem to.

Touche. I'm one of those mutants who gets more direct satisfaction out of the workout as opposed to the results of said workout. :D
 

destrekor

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Originally posted by: irishScott
Originally posted by: Kadarin
Originally posted by: irishScott
Something tells me this is going to end up like fish oil. They improve health, but it's much better to just eat fish a couple of times a week.
"People who exercise have lower levels of depression and higher bone density," said Prof. Hornyak. "Whether or not this pill would confer those benefits, we don't know."

Personally I think it should be prescribed to the physically (and potentially mentally) handicapped/impaired only, with exceptions for a few serious diseases (ie: chronic heart problems that prevent regular exercise). Otherwise it's just a laziness pill.

If it were safe to use, I'd use it and continue exercising as I already do. However, I have no moral issue with violating the "no pain, no gain" rule, as apparently you seem to.

Touche. I'm one of those mutants who gets more direct satisfaction out of the workout as opposed to the results of said workout. :D

One that enjoys running?
I need to get me some of that crazy stuff that's in your brain. :p
I enjoy playing sports competitively, as I'm extremely competitive (excellent way to release everything built up), but only the sports that I'm good at or at least decent. Baseball is something I played my whole life, and is probably half the reason I am the way I am. It was short-burst energy use, with little training involved when it came to running. Now I'm switching to an endurance-style training, at least to my body it's endurance, even if most of the time its under 3 miles. I'm not even competitive in sprinting, but enjoy sprint events.
I want to do whatever possible to get to the point that I enjoy going out for a few mile run every day, so I can at least get my run time down. But every time I put those running shoes on, it's something that I internally dread, even if I kind of pump myself up prior.
 

irishScott

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Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: irishScott
Originally posted by: Kadarin
Originally posted by: irishScott
Something tells me this is going to end up like fish oil. They improve health, but it's much better to just eat fish a couple of times a week.
"People who exercise have lower levels of depression and higher bone density," said Prof. Hornyak. "Whether or not this pill would confer those benefits, we don't know."

Personally I think it should be prescribed to the physically (and potentially mentally) handicapped/impaired only, with exceptions for a few serious diseases (ie: chronic heart problems that prevent regular exercise). Otherwise it's just a laziness pill.

If it were safe to use, I'd use it and continue exercising as I already do. However, I have no moral issue with violating the "no pain, no gain" rule, as apparently you seem to.

Touche. I'm one of those mutants who gets more direct satisfaction out of the workout as opposed to the results of said workout. :D

One that enjoys running?
I need to get me some of that crazy stuff that's in your brain. :p
I enjoy playing sports competitively, as I'm extremely competitive (excellent way to release everything built up), but only the sports that I'm good at or at least decent. Baseball is something I played my whole life, and is probably half the reason I am the way I am. It was short-burst energy use, with little training involved when it came to running. Now I'm switching to an endurance-style training, at least to my body it's endurance, even if most of the time its under 3 miles. I'm not even competitive in sprinting, but enjoy sprint events.
I want to do whatever possible to get to the point that I enjoy going out for a few mile run every day, so I can at least get my run time down. But every time I put those running shoes on, it's something that I internally dread, even if I kind of pump myself up prior.

To a degree. I prefer cycling for the sake of going 30 mph down a nice hill near my house, but running's alright. :) I think it's mostly the adrenaline/general feeling of badassery at the end.

Past is where we differ. In elementary/middle school I was the out of shape/no sports skills kid who couldn't run a mile in less than 8 minutes when everyone else was pulling 7s and under (lol). :p Played soccer for most of my life (until mid high school), but I was still near the bottom of the barrel on the team. Number of reasons why, but the net result was that I ended up half pissed at myself and half fascinated by what the more athletic kids could physically accomplish with seemingly nil effort. On the few occasions where I even came close to what the athletic kids could accomplish, I was fucking ecstatic. Kinda led to the attitude: "Ha! So this is what those kids have to do. Awesome."

Obviously things have changed a bit since middle school, and I don't enjoy it out of physical insecurity (I'll play any sport for fun), but the enjoyment seems to have stuck with me for some reason. Only other thing I can think of is that I'm a hell of an adrenaline junky. I drive 10 mph over when I know the cops are out, hug exit ramps, and if I didn't have a problem taking orders without comprehension, I'd probably join the Air Force/Navy and try to become one of the ever decreasing number of fighter pilots.

For the time being I'm stuck with Krav Maga and Falcon 4.0 AF :p
 
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They already have exercise in a bottle. It's called ipecac. Vomiting improves the abdominal muscles, strengthening the trunk of the body. It also increases lung capacity as the user is forced to gasp for air between the peristaltic contractions of the esophagus. And, like a strenuous workout, it leaves you huddled on the floor in a puddle of liquid feeling as though you are about to die. This, combined with the benefits of caloric reduction that ipecac provides, makes it the perfect tool for many Americans to get in shape.