Excuses for Obama's Failure to Lead

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Aaah, that second espresso for lunch has kicked in nicely. Today I wanted to try the Bolivian "Los Yungas" after catching a whiff of it at a friend's house and not daring to have more caffeine so late that evening.

Do you know that the road from the Bolivian capital, La Paz, to the coffee growing valleys of Los Yungas has officially been declared the most dangerous road in the world? The relatively narrow gravel track with waterfalls spilling onto it from above, and huge drops on the downhill slope, descends nearly 10,000 feet to the misty valleys of the Yungas. As a mid-day indulgence it really hit the spot!

Reviewing the spate of common hand wringing that passes for commentary in the liberal press recently and then briefly catching up with the posts here, it becomes apparent that the Obamapologists are out in full force.

Blame, blame, blame - but ignore the root cause of the pending demise of the astonishing Democratic Party majority power of the past year, maybe the past three years if you count the control of Congress in the last two years of the Bush Presidency.

Take off the blinders of partisanship and the complete lack of leadership by Team Obama becomes apparent.

Oh, the empty speeches continue. The TOTUS continues to roll, but, without substance, who listens anymore?

Leadership is more than partisanship, it is more than ideology, it is more than hopey, changey. It requires real outreach, real listening, real consensus building. It does not come from imposing will, but from a mutual inspiration and common cause.

Several double espressos might be my indulgence of choice today but you know what else jump started my afternoon? Reading the following article by Dr. Charles Krauthammer. Every commentary he writes is fraught with insight and exquisite prose.

Excuses for Obama's Failure to Lead

Charles Krauthammer

February 19, 2010

WASHINGTON -- In the latter days of the Carter presidency, it became fashionable to say that the office had become unmanageable and was simply too big for one man. Some suggested a single, six-year presidential term. The president's own White House counsel suggested abolishing the separation of powers and going to a more parliamentary system of unitary executive control. America had become ungovernable.

Then came Ronald Reagan, and all that chatter disappeared.

The tyranny of entitlements? Reagan collaborated with Tip O'Neill, the legendary Democratic House speaker, to establish the Alan Greenspan commission that kept Social Security solvent for a quarter-century.

A corrupted system of taxation? Reagan worked with liberal Democrat Bill Bradley to craft a legislative miracle: tax reform that eliminated dozens of loopholes and slashed rates across the board -- and fueled two decades of economic growth.

Later, a highly skilled Democratic president, Bill Clinton, successfully tackled another supposedly intractable problem: the culture of intergenerational dependency. He collaborated with another House speaker, Newt Gingrich, to produce the single most successful social reform of our time, the abolition of welfare as an entitlement.

It turned out that the country's problems were not problems of structure but of leadership. Reagan and Clinton had it. Carter didn't. Under a president with extensive executive experience, good political skills and an ideological compass in tune with the public, the country was indeed governable.

It's 2010 and the first-year agenda of a popular and promising young president has gone down in flames. Barack Obama's two signature initiatives -- cap-and-trade and health care reform -- lie in ruins.

Desperate to explain away this scandalous state of affairs, liberal apologists haul out the old reliable from the Carter years: "America the Ungovernable." So declared Newsweek. "Is America Ungovernable?" coyly asked The New Republic. Guess the answer.

The rage at the machine has produced the usual litany of systemic explanations. Special interests are too powerful. The Senate filibuster stymies social progress. A burdensome constitutional order prevents innovation. If only we could be more like China, pines Tom Friedman, waxing poetic about the efficiency of the Chinese authoritarian model, while America flails about under its "two parties ... with their duel-to-the-death paralysis." The better thinkers, bewildered and furious that their president has not gotten his way, have developed a sudden disdain for our inherently incremental constitutional system.

Yet, what's new about any of these supposedly ruinous structural impediments? Special interests blocking policy changes? They have been around since the beginning of the republic -- and since the beginning of the republic, strong presidents, like the two Roosevelts, have rallied the citizenry and overcome them.

And then, of course, there's the filibuster, the newest liberal bete noire. "Don't blame Mr. Obama," writes Paul Krugman of the president's failures. "Blame our political culture instead. ... And blame the filibuster, under which 41 senators can make the country ungovernable."

Ungovernable, once again. Of course, just yesterday the same Paul Krugman was warning about "extremists" trying "to eliminate the filibuster" when Democrats used it systematically to block one Bush (43) judicial nomination after another. Back then, Democrats touted it as an indispensable check on overweening majority power. Well, it still is. Indeed, the Senate with its ponderous procedures and decentralized structure is serving precisely the function the Founders intended: as a brake on the passions of the House and a caution about precipitous transformative change.

Leave it to Mickey Kaus, a principled liberal who supports health care reform, to debunk these structural excuses: "Lots of intellectual effort now seems to be going into explaining Obama's (possible/likely/impending) health care failure as the inevitable product of larger historic and constitutional forces. ... But in this case there's a simpler explanation: Barack Obama's job was to sell a health care reform plan to American voters. He failed."

He failed because the utter implausibility of its central promise -- expanded coverage at lower cost -- led voters to conclude that it would lead ultimately to more government, more taxes and more debt. More broadly, the Democrats failed because, thinking the economic emergency would give them the political mandate and legislative window, they tried to impose a left-wing agenda on a center-right country. The people said no, expressing themselves first in spontaneous demonstrations, then in public opinion polls, then in elections -- Virginia, New Jersey and, most emphatically, Massachusetts.

That's not a structural defect. That's a textbook demonstration of popular will expressing itself -- despite the special interests -- through the existing structures. In other words, the system worked.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/18/AR2010021803413.html
 
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Slick5150

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I think it's ridiculous to claim a failure of leadership from the Exec office at this point. The Presidents job is to lay out a vision, it then requires legislative work to enact much of that policy vision.

Unfortunately, that's where the real lack of leadership lies (in both parties).
 

yllus

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Were you banned for a few weeks? I didn't realize how much nicer the forum area was without your spam until now.
 

Red Dawn

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Aaah, that second espresso for lunch has kicked in nicely. Today I wanted to try the Bolivian "Los Yungas" after catching a whiff of it at a friend's house and not daring to have more caffeine so late that evening.

Do you know that the road from the Bolivian capital, La Paz, to the coffee growing valleys of Los Yungas has officially been declared the most dangerous road in the world? The relatively narrow gravel track with waterfalls spilling onto it from above, and huge drops on the downhill slope, descends nearly 10,000 feet to the misty valleys of the Yungas. As a mid-day indulgence it really hit the spot!

Reviewing the spate of common hand wringing that passes for commentary in the liberal press recently and then briefly catching up with the posts here, it becomes apparent that the Obamapologists are out in full force.

Blame, blame, blame - but ignore the root cause of the pending demise of the astonishing Democratic Party majority power of the past year, maybe the past three years if you count the control of Congress in the last two years of the Bush Presidency.

Take off the blinders of partisanship and the complete lack of leadership by Team Obama becomes apparent.

Oh, the empty speeches continue. The TOTUS continues to roll, but without substance, who listens anymore?

Leadership is more than partisanship, it is more than ideology, it is more than hopey, changey. It requires real outreach, real listening, real consensus building. It does not come from imposing will, but from a mutual inspiration and common cause.

Several double espressos might be my indulgence of choice today but you know what else jump started my afternoon? Reading the following article by Dr. Charles Krauthammer. Every commentary he writes is fraught with insight and exquisite prose.
If you are a Rightwing Republican who's been against Obama from day one.
 
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ayabe

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I can only speculate what new horrors and oppressions you're laying on the poor tin miners of Bolivia as we speak.

Hopefully you're wearing your best white suit.
 

Sinsear

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Aaah, that second espresso for lunch has kicked in nicely. Today I wanted to try the Bolivian "Los Yungas" after catching a whiff of it at a friend's house and not daring to have more caffeine so late that evening.

Do you know that the road from the Bolivian capital, La Paz, to the coffee growing valleys of Los Yungas has officially been declared the most dangerous road in the world? The relatively narrow gravel track with waterfalls spilling onto it from above, and huge drops on the downhill slope, descends nearly 10,000 feet to the misty valleys of the Yungas. As a mid-day indulgence it really hit the spot!


Too funny. I love the way you start threads and how it really gets under the skin of the resident libtards.
 
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Too funny. I love the way you start threads and how it really gets under the skin of the resident libtards.

Yea, he sure gets me riled up, so much so I can barely type how little I care about him or his verbal elegance, and the subtle nuances of his intro's. He should write for a living, not just waste time here squandering his talent on us libtards.
 

zsdersw

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Anyone who posts with a picture like that at the beginning of the thread or uses made-up words like "libtards" has no room to ask anyone to take off the "blinders of partisanship".. because clearly you have not done the same.
 

woolfe9999

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What a fatuous piece of drivel that Krauthammer article is. He praises Reagan and Clinton for bi-partisan accomplishments later in their presidencies, while of course not mentioning that both were relatively unpopular and both were widely criticized as ineffectual when they were at the exact same stage of their presidencies that Obama is at right now. A clue in for the politically retarded: all three presidents took office during recessions. All three were unpopular in the early part of their first terms. All three were viewed as ineffectual. And so far, the first two faced an opposition party in a majority in Congress, and had to act in a bi-partisan manner to get anything done. That hasn't happened to Obama, yet, but likely it will. Will Krauthammer be writing an article in 20 years praising Obama for passing a bi-partsian deficit reduction bill in 2011, while arguing that the new democrat in power in 2030, who took over during a recession, is an ineffectual leader compared to him? Moron.

- wolf
 

Genx87

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I think it's ridiculous to claim a failure of leadership from the Exec office at this point. The Presidents job is to lay out a vision, it then requires legislative work to enact much of that policy vision.

Unfortunately, that's where the real lack of leadership lies (in both parties).

Bullshit. The article gives clear examples of the executive working with the legislative branch to accomplish big reform. Obama imo massively dropped the ball on this healthcare reform bill by basically giving it to Nancy and Harry to insert whatever special favor they need to payback and let their idiocy be shown for all.

The bill had a much better chance of being passed if Obama lead it front and center like any great leader would do.
 

kage69

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Anyone who posts with a picture like that at the beginning of the thread or uses made-up words like "libtards" has no room to ask anyone to take off the "blinders of partisanship".. because clearly you have not done the same.


You "libtards" and your common sense, feh!

Seriously though, you shouldn't attempt to clue them in. They might actually put 2 and 2 together and then deprive us of their amusing performances.
Just let them flail about - it's what they do best.
 

woolfe9999

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Bullshit. The article gives clear examples of the executive working with the legislative branch to accomplish big reform. Obama imo massively dropped the ball on this healthcare reform bill by basically giving it to Nancy and Harry to insert whatever special favor they need to payback and let their idiocy be shown for all.

The bill had a much better chance of being passed if Obama lead it front and center like any great leader would do.

You mean like the Clinton healthcare bill that was such a raging success, the same Bill Clinton he praises for bi-partisanship, the one who tried to personally sherpard his bill through Congress and got a very negative reaction to that tactic, causing the bill to get nowhere near where the Obama bill got? The same Bill Clinton who was criticized as a sophomoric President for the way he handled that legislation? Yeah, that Bill Clinton.

Historical revisionism ftl..

- wolf
 

marincounty

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You mean the Greenspan commission that jacked up Social Security taxes that allowed Congress to spend money they didn't have? One of the worst things to come out of Washington in many years.
 

PJABBER

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Were you banned for a few weeks? I didn't realize how much nicer the forum area was without your spam until now.

Nope, never banned. Why would I be? I took full advantage of the anthropogenic global warming induced massive snow dumps to go skiiiiiing!

C'mon, haven't I always treated you and your ilk with a certain kindness and a modicum of ill-deserved respect?

In any case, if you really wanted everyone in earshot to be doing the Lemming Lockstep with you, you would not venture from the DailyKossack or the HuffingPuffingPost, would you?

Here, all is well with the world and you can spout both your songs and listen to voices of reason like mine - all at the same time!

What else can I say but...

Can't we all just get along? :awe:
 
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xj0hnx

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You mean like the Clinton healthcare bill that was such a raging success, the same Bill Clinton he praises for bi-partisanship, the one who tried to personally sherpard his bill through Congress and got a very negative reaction to that tactic, causing the bill to get nowhere near where the Obama bill got? The same Bill Clinton who was criticized as a sophomoric President for the way he handled that legislation? Yeah, that Bill Clinton.

Historical revisionism ftl..

- wolf

Whether the bill was handed off to Nancy, and Harry, or if Obama had hand delivered it through Congress himself wouldn't have made a difference, the bill was shit, and they knew it, probably why Obama handed it off to frick and frack.
 

woolfe9999

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Whether the bill was handed off to Nancy, and Harry, or if Obama had hand delivered it through Congress himself wouldn't have made a difference, the bill was shit, and they knew it, probably why Obama handed it off to frick and frack.

That you think it is a bad bill is irrelevant. My post was a response to GenX's comment about the Krauthammer article - his point being that the bill failed because Obama is supposedly a weak leader, i.e. because he handed off the bill to Reid and Pelosi instead of taking ownership of it. That point is false and Krauthammer is clearly cherry-picking his history by praising Clinton's bi-partisanship, trashing Obama's handling of the health bill, and ignoring Clinton's own failure with healthcare reform.

The point you are making, about the merits of this bill, we could have a long discussion about, elsewhere.

- wolf
 

HumblePie

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That you think it is a bad bill is irrelevant. My post was a response to GenX's comment about the Krauthammer article - his point being that the bill failed because Obama is supposedly a weak leader, i.e. because he handed off the bill to Reid and Pelosi instead of taking ownership of it. That point is false and Krauthammer is clearly cherry-picking his history by praising Clinton's bi-partisanship, trashing Obama's handling of the health bill, and ignoring Clinton's own failure with healthcare reform.

The point you are making, about the merits of this bill, we could have a long discussion about, elsewhere.

- wolf

Stop using logic and historical facts to win a debate man. That's not how it is suppose to be around here. Hyperbole and strawman... Man.
 

xj0hnx

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That you think it is a bad bill is irrelevant. My post was a response to GenX's comment about the Krauthammer article - his point being that the bill failed because Obama is supposedly a weak leader, i.e. because he handed off the bill to Reid and Pelosi instead of taking ownership of it. That point is false and Krauthammer is clearly cherry-picking his history by praising Clinton's bi-partisanship, trashing Obama's handling of the health bill, and ignoring Clinton's own failure with healthcare reform.

The point you are making, about the merits of this bill, we could have a long discussion about, elsewhere.

- wolf

Actually, I was kind of agreeing with you, and using the content of the bill to explain why. Health care bill or not, Obama is a weak leader, an empty suit.
 

Specop 007

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Hell, I enjoy sitting back and watch the Democrats continue to plunge the dagger in their own back. They have learned nothing, and continue to blindly push their own personal Socialist agenda all the while screaming out how they know what is best for us.

November comes......
 

Fern

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What a fatuous piece of drivel that Krauthammer article is. He praises Reagan and Clinton for bi-partisan accomplishments later in their presidencies, while of course not mentioning that both were relatively unpopular and both were widely criticized as ineffectual when they were at the exact same stage of their presidencies that Obama is at right now. A clue in for the politically retarded: all three presidents took office during recessions. All three were unpopular in the early part of their first terms. All three were viewed as ineffectual. And so far, the first two faced an opposition party in a majority in Congress, and had to act in a bi-partisan manner to get anything done. That hasn't happened to Obama, yet, but likely it will. Will Krauthammer be writing an article in 20 years praising Obama for passing a bi-partsian deficit reduction bill in 2011, while arguing that the new democrat in power in 2030, who took over during a recession, is an ineffectual leader compared to him? Moron.

- wolf

You miss the forest for the trees.

This is what relatively little he mentions about Clinton.

Later, a highly skilled Democratic president, Bill Clinton, successfully tackled another supposedly intractable problem: the culture of intergenerational dependency. He collaborated with another House speaker, Newt Gingrich, to produce the single most successful social reform of our time, the abolition of welfare as an entitlement.

The point of Clinton's mention is to demonstrate that the sysytem is not broken, that major undertakings can be successful.

In this case the 'forrest' is:

it became fashionable to say that the office had become unmanageable and was simply too big for one man. Some suggested a single, six-year presidential term. The president's own White House counsel suggested abolishing the separation of powers and going to a more parliamentary system of unitary executive control. America had become ungovernable.

We are now hearing this theme again.


To quibble about HilCare is a diversion from the main point at hand, namely that the system isn't necessarily broken because Obama's two largest intiatives have failed. Nor is the problem a needed 60 votes for cloture, other major legislation hass passed that hurdle when no one party held 60 seats in the Senate.

Many have remarked upon Obama's alleged failure to lead. Heck, Dem leaders in Congress have complained about it. Pelosi has complained specifically about his lack of leadership on cap-n-trade, complaining that the House put their fanny's on the line for it and Obama has been nowhere to be seen. Likewise for decision not to push the public option in HC reform.

No Krauthammer makes a valid point about anybody wanting to claim our system is broken becuse those things didn't pass.

Maybe you think Obama shouldn't take any blame for their not passing, but I'll bet you'd give him credit if it passed. Hard to reconcile those two sentiments.

Fern
 
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