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Exchange Server: Will this be good enough for a while?

Winchester

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We are upgrading servers. We have about 75+ users now and want a server that will last about 4-5 years. Will this config be good enough?
Our current server is a Pentium II 400mhz, 256MB ram, setup with 8.5GB on C: (M🙂with 4GB free and 17GB on E: with 6.5GB free. It will possibly also be our SQL server in the future as well.

Dell PowerEdge 1750

Windows Server 2003
Exchange Server 2003
Dual Xeon 2.8ghz 512k
1GB Ram
2 x 36GB 10k SCSI

EDIT: added ram,
 
Yep. Unless you need large file storgage, or your Exchange server gets hammered. In which case you would need more ram. I personally thing dual Xeon's is overkill, but it really depends.

Look at your cpu usage and memory usage right now to determine what is needed.
 
Our office has about the same number of users and runs Exchange 5.5 (ok, so it's old news) on a single P3 933 with average CPU loads below 10%. If I were you, I'd leave out a CPU and double the RAM.
 
The reason for the 2nd CPU is that it might become our SQL server as well in the future, plus I got it thrown in for free.
 
I'm running Exchange 2003 on a Dell PowerEdge 1600 server and so far it's been running decently. Here's the specs:

2.8G Xeon
1 gig RAM
2 x 74GB SCSI raid1

I have to say, Exchange 2003 is a memory hogging beast! I support about 100 users and I feel like I'm at the very low limit for memory with only a gig. If I had know how much of a resourse hog Exchange 2003 was, I'd have opted for 2 gig of ram instead. I also run DNS, AD (obviously 🙂 ), GFI Exchange anti virus and GFI anti spam software on it. Like others have stated, the more memory, the better. Especially if you aren't going to run a front end server for Exchange.
 
Zodder,

Mine will also be doing DHCP, but as of right now, everything (windows 2000, Exchange 2000, DNS, AD, DHCP) is running on a pentium II 400mhz, 256mb ram,
 
I'd strongly recommend keeping the database, logfiles, paging file, and operating system on separate physical disks or RAID arrays. This will give the best performance. If your Exchange is not Enterprise, your DB is limited to 16GB (ridiculous) so you should make sure you have strict policies on archiving/retention so this is easily managed. Nothing like having your stores dismounted in the middle of a project!
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Cheers!
 
For exchange, it's all about SCSI. Got SCSI? You'll be fine. A dual 1GHz PIII & 2GB RAM should be more than neough, provided you've got at least some decent u160 or u320 drives.
 
Shuttleteam, that is why I am getting two physical drives, EDIT: Just called my Dell rep, he said it would cost me $50 to upgrade to the PERC 128MB with RAID 5, so I added another 36GB HD and did that. Definitely worth it in my mind.

Im not sure on the Enterprise ver or not, we have software assurance through M$ so I guess it is.
 
How hard will it be to migrate to the new server with Server/Exchange 2003 already installed from a Server/Exchange 2000 server?

Should I just install Server 2003 and Exchange 2000 then move the database/emails etc and then upgrade?

 
I think that should last quite awhile it is a beefy system and should be able to perform what needs to be done.

While the price might seem a bit large it shouldn't need to be upgraded.
 
Zodder, it backs up to tape every night. However, I just noticed drive (M: ) does not? But C: and M: (MBX here)are the same size etc. Is it actually backing up M: if it is backup up C:?

I just cant stand to pay $500 for a RAID card.

 
I have to say, Exchange 2003 is a memory hogging beast!
It doesn't matter how much memory you have (or how many users.) It reserves all the memory it can and only releases it if another program calls for memory. You could add another gig and it would swallow it up in no time.
 
Originally posted by: Winchester
Zodder, it backs up to tape every night. However, I just noticed drive (M: ) does not? But C: and M: (MBX here)are the same size etc. Is it actually backing up M: if it is backup up C:?

I just cant stand to pay $500 for a RAID card.
There are a couple of pretty affordable SCSI cards that do RAID1... Adaptec 29320-R and I think the LSI Logic model number is 22320-R. Or just do software mirroring in Windows, it'll still keep you going if one drive fails. At that point you can use the onboard SCSI if you like.

Look at it this way, your business pays a lot more than $500 for other forms of insurance, doesn't it now 🙂
 
Just called my Dell rep, he said it would cost me $50 to upgrade to the PERC 128MB with RAID 5, so I added another 36GB HD and did that. Definitely worth it in my mind.
 
RAID5 will minimally satisfactory for DB performance! RAID10 is much better...

For the most basic configuration, run your OS on a RAID1 volume. Use RAID5 for DB only if you have to. Do NOT put the log files on this volume! Use a single disk if you have to. This is not an issue if you're confident your backups are good and you can restore effectively.

Whatever you do, never, EVER make all your drives into a single RAID5 volume and partition it! That's like driving a Ferrari around with the parking brake on!

Also, NEVER back up the M drive! ALWAYS use software that uses an Exchange specific connector for backing up individual mailboxes and public folders. You will be sorry if you don't!

Beware, there is no more M drive in Exchsvr2003. This is a good thing as many exchsvr installations were fubar'd by lackluster admins scanning the M drive with A/V software during panic moments, etc.

The $500 RAID card is money well spent, trust me! 🙂

Cheers!
 
Shuttleteam,

Ok, what do you suggest for my Server 2003 and Exchange 2003 Server? I will have 3 x 36GB 10k SCSI drives with the PERC4-DI, 128MB Battery Backed Cache, 1 Int 1 ext Ch-Embedded Raid.

We use Veritas and right now I dont see that M: is being backed up, so what "plugin" do I need to be able to back them up and move them to the new server?
 
3 36GB disks sounds quite low for 75 users!

For a start, mirror two disks with the OS with log files and paging file there. Put the database on the third disk. You could gain much more performance by getting two more disks and running RAID10 with a hotspare. Of course RAID10 with four 36GB disks will yield 74GB which is not a lot of space. (less than 1GB per user NOT including the OS!)

What version Veritas are you using? Hopefully at least 8.6x. 9.x is much better and both will handle exchsvr fine as long as you have the agent for Microsoft Exchange licensed. You *can* back up the database entirely without this agent, but that becomes an issue when a single user loses an email or contact and would like it restored. The remaining 74 users are going to be pissed when they lose 1 day's worth of messages!

Cheers!
 
Originally posted by: zodder
there will not be any RAID configuration
You're a brave man. 🙂

There is a fine line between "brave" and "insane". Storing your manager's e-mail on a server without redundant storage kinda crosses that line 🙂

Sure, you're backing up the server to tape... But what happens if your tape backup is bad? Or, if the backup software isn't configured right, and skips over some files that were in use during the overnight backup? Not to mention that the server will be down while you're waiting for Dell to overnight you a new hard drive, and none of those 75+ users will be able to check their e-mail. Bad idea, dude.
 
First, I was curious why you were upgrading to Exchange 2k3? Is Exchange 2000 not working well for you? I personally wouldn't upgrade unless you were also upgrading your AD to 2k3. Also you WILL want 2gigs of ram. More than that won't make much of a difference (in Exchange 2k it can even cause problems).

What kind of mailbox limits do you currently have? I wouldn't be too worried about performance if you only have 75 users unless they treat their mailbox as a storage medium. My users are limited to 20megs except in special cases, and we have a 6 month retention policy. Like others have said, I would try and "downgrade" the machine a bit unless you really are getting stuff for free. I really wouldn't want to have MS SQL server running on the same box as my exchange so look into getting another cheap box in the future.

I would also look into Dell's Gold support with 4 hour response time. It may cost a little more, but there's nothing like having a raid controller go out and then getting a replacement in less than 90 minutes. I even had a poweredge 1650 burn up next to me while I was doing some updates and I had a tech out looking at it within 3 hours. (They wanted to see what happened, we got a 1750 replacemnet, and Dell ended up recalling the mobo on the 1650.)

I almost forgot... I would highly recommend getting the Exchange connector for Veritas (unless you are using a really old version then I don't know what's available). Technically you could use Windows backup to backup your Exchange server, but as someone mentioned earlier, if one person needs a single message or even an entire mailbox restored you will need to restore the entire information store. This will not only take a long time, it will also replace ALL email with the last backup. The exchange piece for Veritas lets you restore pieces of your information store let it be mailboxes,messages, contacts, whatever.
 
Shuttleteam, There are actually 52 mailboxes, which as of right now take up less than 10GB total. There is only room for 3 hard drives in the server. Veritas is ver. 8.5 It already has an agent for microsoft exchange.

Ultimatebob, I edited it, I got a PERC 128MB RAID controller for $50 more

Bigshooter, I will see if they will switch the 2nd processor for an extra GB of ram; seems that suggestion is universal. I dont think there are any current mailbox limites, I just made people delete all of their items in their deleted folders, some had stuff as far back as 1999
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so there will be several changes. There are very few people who use attachments, maybe 10. I will with Exchange 2003, have limits etc. I want everything setup right, because whoever was here before didnt. Veritas is ver. 8.5 It already has an agent for microsoft exchange.

This is great info guys, I am appreciating your help and input.
 
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