Excellent article on MSNBC. Hungrypete says this is required reading for Liberals!

Page 2 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

hungrypete

Diamond Member
Aug 4, 2000
3,001
0
0


<<

<< Except Zwingle and Oalex and a couple others, I'd like to officialy label them as "Jackasses Whom I Would Probably Push Down and/or Punch Out". >>



LOL,



Note: I am laughing at you, not with you.
>>



If I can't pronounce where you are from, I might not give a damn what you think right now! ;)
You fat baby.
 

GasX

Lifer
Feb 8, 2001
29,033
6
81


<< this is bs. of course it's a natural instinct to hit back when you've been hit, and it does make sense to you when you're out for revenge.

when we hear of a serial killer or criminal on the loose, we don't pack up our guns and hunt the guy down do we?
it probably makes sense to the people who are hunting that person down that the only way to relieve their suffering is to do what they're doing, but there are things called LAWS. we as a society have decided not to resort to vigilantism, but instead bring criminals to justice through courts and trials (this make not make sense to a lot of us right now)

as far as im concerned, this whole situation is just being used by bush now to distract everyone from the bigger problems we have
here at home. notice how he said "lengthy campaign" last night, i'm sure he wouldnt mind this war lasting until 2004, so he'd be a shoo-in for president.

i know many of you respect colin powell. look at the article over at cnn.com:
Secretary of State Colin Powell is pushing for a limited military component in this self-declared war against terrorism and instead wants to place more emphasis on less traditional "tools" in the United States arsenal -- financial, political, diplomatic and legal,
>>



This is an example of someone reading the thread and getting pre-conceived notions about the article and then reading the article and applying their bias.

The article does not promote a long campaign or a short campaign. The article promotes actively seeking out those responsibilities and making their actions have consequences as well. Simple as that.

i think this is the better way to go.[/i] >>

 

hungrypete

Diamond Member
Aug 4, 2000
3,001
0
0


<< Here's a hint, it's in Michigan and I'm not fat. >>



Well I'm dumb and people in Michigan should take that into consideration before naming towns and 'fat baby' is a quote from Space Ghost Coast to Coast which I found humorous last night.

You fat baby.
There aint no village.
Sharks and Bears: Nature's Best Friends
This is BS, man!

You can't go wrong with top notch lunacy like that, you fat baby.

edit: I apologize in advance for being in an unsually good mood today and therefore being obnoxious. More to come, stay tuned!
 

hungrypete

Diamond Member
Aug 4, 2000
3,001
0
0


<< this thread = flame bait >>



then the article is too



<< QUOTE FROM ARTICLE HEADER
Knocking the liberal argument that the proper response to terrorism is for U.S. to change its ways
>>

 

mithrandir2001

Diamond Member
May 1, 2001
6,545
1
0
I have to call myself both a Liberal and a Conservative because I believe strongly in various arguments on both sides. And I wouldn't call myself a Moderate either. Moderates are people who don't have strong convictions, whereas mine are well formed. So does this article apply to me? Yes and no.
 

Mrburns2007

Platinum Member
Jun 14, 2001
2,595
0
0
Moderates have strong convictions, there just not willing to go to the extreme to solve problems.
 

Jzero

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
18,834
1
0
Why bother being offended at the label? Humans have a need to compartmentalize. It's no big deal....if you're a liberal and you agree with this, who cares? It's not a potshot, is a counter-argument, just like most of what HungryPete and others have said. Well, some people have made some really lame personal attacks, but HP and others have done well in avoiding that. This article, is also an editorial--it's an opinion, just like everyone else has, and it's worth exactly as much. So why get pissed? Besides--getting mad at your countrymen is just playing into terrorists' hands!

I'm a liberal, and I disagree with this article in part, but why should I be offended at it? That's just dumb. I DO resent Rumsfeld's comment about "Changing the way THEY live." While we definitely need to make some "repairs" to the Taliban regime and it's little terrorist summer camps, that does not give us a license to be imperialist. We often "impose" ourselves on countries that do not need our "help." We ignore countries that do need our help.

I don't blame Clinton for bloodshed in the Balkans, we did what we thought was right to protect innocent people. Just like Panama, Grenada, Vietnam and Korea.

The problem is that while we assist people in Eastern Europe who happen to be white, we almost completely ignore people in Africa, Asia and South America who are non-white, yet appear to be in a similar plight. We do little to help Tibet, but we rushed into Kuwait on the quick. Why? Because we have financial interests in Kuwaiti oil. We stay out of Central American politics, unless we think it has something to do with "The War On Drugs." We turn a relatively blind eye to human rights abuses on our own soil and the world over unless those abuses are being perpetrated by communism or other enemies of "The American Way."

The kind of "Justice" handed out by the US is not equal-opportunity, and it is usually not completely altruistic, in fact we usually don't "offer" our aid unless we have something to gain from it.
And that is what sparks the kind of anti-Americanism that we see in so many places. Not to mention, they want a scapegoat and they aren't at liberty to criticize their own crap governments, so they choose ours.

We're considering a two-pronged attack. We should add a third prong--trying to get along with the global community. If we're going to help one group of refugees, we should help other refugees, even if we can't use that as a bargaining chip for petroleum prices. If we're going to attack one perpetrator of human rights abuses, we should attack all of them, even if we don't see them as an immediate threat to the American way. If a conflict does not involve us, even if it could cost us some money down the line, we should stay out of it unless our assistance is requested. Or, we should be the worldwide mediator and jump in and quell any problems....although I think the latter option would be hard to carry out, so we should just try to be fair and even.

But trying to tell others how to live, as Rumsfeld would put it, smacks of countless fallen "Empires" and "Missionaries." It's no good.

I'd like to pose a lame analogy to go along with the lame "Rat" and "Battered Wife" analogies in the article: Imagine America as a powerful parent, and other less fortunate countries as children looking to us for guidance. When one child inexplicably gets all kinds of love and aid, while another, who behaves the same way keeps getting smacked, the unhappy kid is going to get mad, and he's going to lash out. Some kids lash out against their brothers. Some kids lash out against the parents.

Maybe we have to treat them like delinquent kids, but we also have to treat the kids fairly.

Dumb analogy, right? I agree, but it makes the point in the half-arsed and overly-simplistic way that only analogies can.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
70,858
6,393
126
Hmm, anybody remember this thing called the American Revolution?

Do you recall what the Revolution was about?

Do you think that the British may have said something like, "We have a choice: either to change the way we live, which is unacceptable; or to change the way that they live. And we chose the latter."?

Would you agree with the above statement if it meant extortion, establishing tyranical governments, undermining the will of the people of other nations, or ignoring the principles of the US Constitution and Bill of Rights when dealing with other nations?

Is it just me or does not that article sound like, "We're Imperialist and we'll remain Imperialist as long as we want to."?