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example of how quantum mechanics and general relativity dont mix...

PatboyX

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so, i just read that quantum mechanics and general relativity when used together in equations produce results of infinite probability.
can anyone give me an example of what sort of equations these would be?
maybe even how quantum mechanics would be used on its own. i can hazard my way through general relativity pretty ok but i know nothing of quantum mechanics.
 
Judging by the number of people who have jumped on this thread - none! - I will tell you my little story: A while back I spotted a book at my library - "In Search Of The Quantum Computer" (or something). I read it. It dealt with many things "quantum". I was confused. So I have since taken it out on two more occasions, foolishly thinking that if some guy could write the damn thing, surely I could understand most, if not all of it. I failed miserably.
This much I did learn: the "normal" laws of physics do not apply in the quantum world. Things are not linear and predictable there. Actions and reactions are assigned a "probabilty" of happening, but not a guarantee. I am not aware of any equations that are more than vague generalities.

I am sure that all the geniuses who stayed away from this can now post and tell me what an idiot I am! I look forward to the education.
 
check out the feynmen lectures on audio. they should have them at your library.. "Six Easy Pieces" .. they are really insightful and they will clear up a bunch of your confusion. they dont have any actual forumlae in them though.. maybe a few, but they are not important
 
wetcoastguy: Your not an "idiot" and no one should refer to you in that means. The fact that you got the book and gave it a try says a lot. A lot of educated people will try and convince one with formulas and so forth that their overall level of knowledge is greater than reality proves out. As for me, I'm no geniuses, no where near it. I'm just a everyday very low level intelligence type guy. Don't know much about much of anything. Just have a few hobbies I like to follow, that's all.

PatboyX: As for your question, I can't even begin to give you any equations, don't know any, well, maybe a couple not related to this thread. I'm just a simple working class guy trying to make a living. For a little bit of educational hobby type thing I do follow certain subject matters now and then. Just for laughs, could be quantum mechanics and general relativity are very closely related. If anyone has been following the work of John Bell then you might know what I'm talking about. Actually, I don't know what I'm talking about at all as this is all just a hobby for simple old me. Hope this can give you a little insight to a new thought process The ability to leap beyond ones normal logical world
 
I've been trying to understand the nature of the incompatibiliteis between quantum mechanics and relativity as well (although on more of a conceptual level than an equation one.) The conclusion I'm coming to that makes sense to me is that relativity says that force of gravity is due to the warping of space-time by mass, however quantium mechanics models all other forces as an exchange of force carrier particles (for example - the electro-magnetic force is carried between particles by photons.) In order to be a consistent universe ruled by one set of principles it's my understanding that there needs to be a similar, quantum explanation for gravity (such as the force of gravity being an exchange of the yet undetected graviton force particle between particles with masses.

I may be way off, I don't know, but this seems to be at the heart of the incompatibility as far as I can conclude.
 
Good starting point for you.... Fairly easy reading I think, a little on the long side.
Wikipedia article on quantum mechanics


Quantum mechanics
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Quantum mechanics is a fundamental physical theory which extends and corrects Newtonian mechanics, especially at the atomic and subatomic levels. It is the underlying framework of many fields of physics and chemistry, including condensed matter physics, quantum chemistry, and particle physics. The term quantum (Latin, "how much") refers to the discrete units that the theory assigns to certain physical quantities, such as the energy of an atom at rest.

Quantum mechanics is a theory of mechanics, a branch of physics that deals with the motion of bodies and associated physical quantities such as energy and momentum. It is believed to be a more fundamental theory than Newtonian mechanics, because it provides accurate and precise descriptions for many phenomena where Newtonian mechanics drastically fails. This includes the behavior of systems at atomic length scales and below ? in fact, Newtonian mechanics is unable to account for the existence of stable atoms ? as well as special macroscopic systems such as superconductors and superfluids. The predictions of quantum mechanics have never been disproven after a century's worth of experiments. Quantum mechanics incorporates at least three classes of phenomena that classical physics cannot account for: (i) the quantization (discretization) of certain physical quantities, (ii) wave-particle duality, and (iii) quantum entanglement. In certain physical situations, the laws of quantum mechanics approximate the laws of classical mechanics to a high degree of precision; this is often expressed by saying that quantum mechanics reduces to classical mechanics and is known as the correspondence principle.

Quantum mechanics can be formulated in either a relativistic or non-relativistic manner. Relativistic quantum mechanics (quantum field theory) provides the framework for some of the most accurate physical theories known, though non-relativistic quantum mechanics is also frequently used for reasons of convenience. We will use the term "quantum mechanics" to refer to both relativistic and non-relativistic quantum mechanics; the terms quantum physics and quantum theory are synonymous. It should be noted, however, that certain authors refer to "quantum mechanics" in the more restricted sense of non-relativistic quantum mechanics.

Most physicists believe that quantum mechanics provides a correct description for the physical world under almost all circumstances. It seems likely that quantum mechanics fails in the vicinity of black holes, or when considering the observable Universe as a whole. In these regimes, quantum mechanics conflicts with the predictions of general relativity, the dominant theory of gravity. The question of compatibility between quantum mechanics and general relativity remains an area of active research.

The foundations of quantum mechanics were established during the first half of the 20th century by Max Planck, Albert Einstein, Niels Bohr, Werner Heisenberg, Erwin Schrödinger, Max Born, John von Neumann, Paul Dirac, Wolfgang Pauli and others. Some fundamental aspects of the theory are still actively studied.





Description of the theory
There are a number of mathematically equivalent formulations of quantum mechanics. One of the oldest and most commonly-used formulations is the transformation theory invented by Paul Dirac, which unifies and generalizes the two earliest formulations of quantum mechanics, matrix mechanics (invented by Werner Heisenberg) and wave mechanics (invented by Erwin Schrödinger).

In this formulation, the instantaneous state of a quantum system encodes the probabilities of its measurable properties, or "observables". Examples of observables include energy, position, momentum, and angular momentum. Observables can be either continuous (e.g., the position of a particle) or discrete (e.g. the energy of an electron bound to a hydrogen atom.)

Generally, quantum mechanics does not assign definite values to observables. Instead, it makes predictions about probability distributions; that is, the probability of obtaining each of the possible outcomes from measuring an observable. Naturally, these probabilities will depend on the quantum state at the instant of the measurement. There are, however, certain states that are associated with a definite value of a particular observable. These are known as "eigenstates" of the observable ("eigen" meaning "own" in German).

A concrete example will be useful here. Let us consider a free particle. Its quantum state can be represented as a wave, of arbitrary shape and extending over all of space, called a wavefunction. The position and momentum of the particle are observables. An eigenstate of position is a wavefunction that is very large at a particular position x, and zero everywhere else. If we perform a position measurement on such a wavefunction, we will obtain the result x with 100% probability. An eigenstate of momentum, on the other hand, has the form of a plane wave. It turns out that the wavelength is equal to h/p, where h is Planck's constant and p is the momentum of the eigenstate.

Usually, a system will not be in an eigenstate of whatever observable we are interested in. However, if we measure the observable, the wavefunction will immediately become an eigenstate of that observable. This process is known as wavefunction collapse. If we know the wavefunction at the instant before the measurement, we will be able to compute the probability of collapsing into each of the possible eigenstates. For example, the free particle in our previous example will usually have a wavefunction that is a wave packet centered around some mean position x0, neither an eigenstate of position nor of momentum. When we measure the position of the particle, it is impossible for us to predict with certainty the result that we will obtain. It is probable, but not certain, that it will be near x0, where the amplitude of the wavefunction is large. After we perform the measurement, obtaining some result x, the wavefunction collapses into a position eigenstate centered at x.

Wave functions can change as time progresses. An equation known as the Schrödinger equation describes how wave functions change in time, a role similar to Newton's second law in classical mechanics. The Schrödinger equation, applied to our free particle, predicts that the center of a wave packet will move through space at a constant velocity, like a classical particle with no forces acting on it. However, the wave packet will also spread out as time progresses, which means that the position becomes more uncertain. This also has the effect of turning position eigenstates into broadened wave packets that are not position eigenstates.

Some wave functions produce probability distributions that are constant in time. Many systems that are treated dynamically in classical mechanics are described by such "static" wave functions. For example, a single electron in an unexcited atom is pictured classically as a particle moving in a circular trajectory around the atomic nucleus, whereas in quantum mechanics it is described by a static, spherically symmetric probability cloud surrounding the nucleus (Fig. 1). (Note that only the lowest angular momentum states, labelled s, are spherically symmetric).

The time evolution of wave functions is deterministic in the sense that, given a wavefunction at an initial time, it makes a definite prediction of what the wavefunction will be at any later time. During a measurement, the change of the wavefunction into another one is not deterministic, but rather unpredictable, i.e. random.

The probabilistic nature of quantum mechanics thus stems from the act of measurement: the object interacts with an apparatus, and their respective wavefunctions become entangled. In effect, the object ceases to exist as an independent entity. This may introduce some uncertainty into the prediction of what the outcome of a measurement may become, at some stage in the future, insofar as this prediction is required to draw information only from the object wavefunction. However, it might be thought that, by preparing the apparatus beforehand, its influence during the measurement might be predictable, or at least afterwards detectable, so that this kind of uncertainty might be merely a matter of insufficient data. But, as it turns out, to actually detect such influence data, by handling the apparatus, is incompatible with its functioning as a measurement device. That is, for practical reasons, the apparatus cannot do both at the same time.

It is therefore a matter of principle, rather than practice, that one has the uncertainty which necessitates a probabilistic prediction. This is one of the most difficult ideas to understand about the nature of quantum systems. It was the central topic in the famous Bohr-Einstein debates, in which they sought to clarify these fundamental principles by way of thought experiments.

There are some interpretations of quantum mechanics that do away with the concept of "wavefunction collapse" by altering the concept of what constitutes a "measurement" in quantum mechanics. For example, see relative state interpretation.




Quantum mechanical effects
As mentioned in the introduction, there are several classes of phenomena that appear under quantum mechanics which have no analogue in classical physics. These are sometimes referred to as "quantum effects".

The first type of quantum effect is the quantization of certain physical quantities. In the example we have given, of a free particle in empty space, both the position and the momentum are continuous observables. However, if we restrict the particle to a region of space (the so-called "particle in a box" problem), the momentum observable will become discrete; it will only take on the values h/L, where L is the length of the box. Such observables are said to be quantized, and they play an important role in many physical systems. Examples of quantized observables include angular momentum, the total energy of a bound system, and the energy contained in an electromagnetic wave of a given frequency.

Another quantum effect is the uncertainty principle, which is the phenomenon that consecutive measurements of two or more observables may possess a fundamental limitation on accuracy. In our free particle example, it turns out that it is impossible to find a wavefunction that is an eigenstate of both position and momentum. This implies that position and momentum can never be simultaneously measured with arbitrary precision, even in principle: as the precision of the position measurement improves, the maximum precision of the momentum measurement decreases, and vice versa. Those variables for which it holds (e.g. momentum and position, or energy and time) are canonically conjugate variables in classical physics.

Another quantum effect is the wave-particle duality. It has been shown that, under certain experimental conditions, microscopic objects like atoms or electrons exhibit particle-like behavior, such as scattering. ("Particle-like" in the sense of an object that can be localized to a particular region of space.) Under other conditions, the same type of objects exhibit wave-like behavior, such as interference. We can observe only one type of property at a time.

Unsolved problems in physics: In the correspondence limit of quantum mechanics: Is there a preferred interpretation of quantum mechanics? How does the quantum description of reality, which includes elements such as the superposition of states and wavefunction collapse, give rise to the reality we perceive?Another quantum effect is quantum entanglement. In some cases, the wave function of a system composed of many particles cannot be separated into independent wave functions, one for each particle. In that case, the particles are said to be "entangled". If quantum mechanics is correct, entangled particles can display remarkable and counter-intuitive properties. For example, a measurement made on one particle can produce, through the collapse of the total wavefunction, an instantaneous effect on other particles with which it is entangled, even if they are far apart.

This only appears to conflict with special relativity. There is no transmission of information in the process, which would require a physical object to move (instantaneously) between the two particles. It is only by coming together, at some later meeting, that the two investigators can compare their data, and detect the remarkable correlations they contain.





Mathematical formulation
In the mathematically rigorous formulation of quantum mechanics, developed by Paul Dirac and John von Neumann, the possible states of a quantum mechanical system are represented by unit vectors (called "state vectors") residing in a complex separable Hilbert space (variously called the "state space" or the "associated Hilbert space" of the system.) The exact nature of this Hilbert space is dependent on the system; for example, the state space for position and momentum states is the space of square-integrable functions, while the state space for the spin of a single electron is just the product of two complex planes. Each observable is represented by a densely-defined Hermitian (or self-adjoint) linear operator acting on the state space. Each eigenstate of an observable corresponds to an eigenvector of the operator, and the associated eigenvalue corresponds to the value of the observable in that eigenstate. If the operator's spectrum is discrete, the observable can only attain those discrete eigenvalues.

The time evolution of a quantum state is described by the Schrödinger equation, in which the Hamiltonian, the operator corresponding to the total energy of the system, generates time evolution.

The inner product between two state vectors is a complex number known as a probability amplitude. During a measurement, the probability that a system collapses from a given initial state to a particular eigenstate is given by the square of the absolute value of the probability amplitudes between the initial and final states. The possible results of a measurement are the eigenvalues of the operator - which explains the choice of Hermitian operators, for which all the eigenvalues are real. We can find the probability distribution of an observable in a given state by computing the spectral decomposition of the corresponding operator. Heisenberg's uncertainty principle is represented by the statement that the operators corresponding to certain observables do not commute.

The Schrödinger equation acts on the entire probability amplitude, not merely its absolute value. Whereas the absolute value of the probability amplitude encodes information about probabilities, its phase encodes information about the interference between quantum states. This gives rise to the wave-like behavior of quantum states.

It turns out that analytic solutions of Schrödinger's equation are only available for a small number of model Hamiltonians, of which the quantum harmonic oscillator and the hydrogen atom are the most important representatives. Even the helium atom, which contains just one more electron than hydrogen, defies all attempts at a fully analytic treatment. There exist several techniques for generating approximate solutions. For instance, in the method known as perturbation theory one uses the analytic results for a simple quantum mechanical model to generate results for a more complicated model related to the simple model by, for example, the addition of a weak potential energy. Another method is the "semi-classical equation of motion" approach, which applies to systems for which quantum mechanics produces weak deviations from classical behavior. The deviations can be calculated based on the classical motion. This approach is important for the field of quantum chaos.

An alternative formulation of quantum mechanics is Feynman's path integral formulation, in which a quantum-mechanical amplitude is considered as a sum over histories between initial and final states; this is the quantum-mechanical counterpart of action principles in classical mechanics.





Interactions with other scientific theories
The fundamental rules of quantum mechanics are very broad. They state that the state space of a system is a Hilbert space and the observables are Hermitian operators acting on that space, but do not tell us which Hilbert space or which operators. These must be chosen appropriately in order to obtain a quantitative description of a quantum system. An important guide for making these choices is the correspondence principle, which states that the predictions of quantum mechanics reduce to those of classical physics when a system becomes large. This "large system" limit is known as the classical or correspondence limit. One can therefore start from an established classical model of a particular system, and attempt to guess the underlying quantum model that gives rise to the classical model in the correspondence limit.

When quantum mechanics was originally formulated, it was applied to models whose correspondence limit was non-relativistic classical mechanics. For instance, the well-known model of the quantum harmonic oscillator uses an explicitly non-relativistic expression for the kinetic energy of the oscillator, and is thus a quantum version of the classical harmonic oscillator.

Early attempts to merge quantum mechanics with special relativity involved the replacement of the Schrödinger equation with a covariant equation such as the Klein-Gordon equation or the Dirac equation. While these theories were successful in explaining many experimental results, they had certain unsatisfactory qualities stemming from their neglect of the relativistic creation and annihilation of particles. A fully relativistic quantum theory required the development of quantum field theory, which applies quantization to a field rather than a fixed set of particles. The first complete quantum field theory, quantum electrodynamics, provides a fully quantum description of the electromagnetic interaction.

The full apparatus of quantum field theory is often unnecessary for describing electrodynamic systems. A simpler approach, one employed since the inception of quantum mechanics, is to treat charged particles as quantum mechanical objects being acted on by a classical electromagnetic field. For example, the elementary quantum model of the hydrogen atom describes the electric field of the hydrogen atom using a classical 1/r Coulomb potential. This "semi-classical" approach fails if quantum fluctuations in the electromagnetic field play an important role, such as in the emission of photons by charged particles.

Quantum field theories for the strong nuclear force and the weak nuclear force have been developed. The quantum field theory of the strong nuclear force is called quantum chromodynamics, and describes the interactions of the subnuclear particles: quarks and gluons. The weak nuclear force and the electromagnetic force were unified, in their quantized forms, into a single quantum field theory known as electroweak theory.

It has proven difficult to construct quantum models of gravity, the remaining fundamental force. Semi-classical approximations are workable, and have led to predictions such as Hawking radiation. However, the formulation of a complete theory of quantum gravity is hindered by apparent incompatibilities between general relativity, the most accurate theory of gravity currently known, and some of the fundamental assumptions of quantum theory. The resolution of these incompatibilities is an area of active research, and theories such as string theory are among the possible candidates for a future theory of quantum gravity.






Applications of quantum theory
Quantum mechanics has had enormous success in explaining many of the features of our world. The individual behavior of the microscopic particles that make up all forms of matter - electrons, protons, neutrons, and so forth - can often only be satisfactorily described using quantum mechanics.

Quantum mechanics is important for understanding how individual atoms combine to form chemicals. The application of quantum mechanics to chemistry is known as quantum chemistry. Quantum mechanics can provide quantitative insight into chemical bonding processes by explicitly showing which molecules are energetically favorable to which others, and by approximately how much. Most of the calculations performed in computational chemistry rely on quantum mechanics.

Much of modern technology operates at a scale where quantum effects are significant. Examples include the laser, the transistor, the electron microscope, and magnetic resonance imaging. The study of semiconductors led to the invention of the diode and the transistor, which are indispensable for modern electronics.

Researchers are currently seeking robust methods of directly manipulating quantum states. Efforts are being made to develop quantum cryptography, which will allow guaranteed secure transmission of information. A more distant goal is the development of quantum computers, which are expected to perform certain computational tasks exponentially faster than classical computers. Another active research topic is quantum teleportation, which deals with techniques to transmit quantum states over arbitrary distances.







Philosophical consequences
Since its inception, the many counter-intuitive results of quantum mechanics have provoked strong philosophical debate and many interpretations. Even fundamental issues such as Max Born's basic rules concerning probability amplitudes and probability distributions took decades to be appreciated.

The Copenhagen interpretation, due largely to Niels Bohr, was the standard interpretation of quantum mechanics when it was first formulated. According to it, the probabilistic nature of quantum mechanics predictions cannot be explained in terms of some other deterministic theory, and do not simply reflect our limited knowledge. Quantum mechanics provides probabilistic results because the physical universe is itself probabilistic rather than deterministic.

Albert Einstein, himself one of the founders of quantum theory, disliked this loss of determinism in measurement. He held that there should be a local hidden variable theory underlying quantum mechanics and consequently the present theory was incomplete. He produced a series of objections to the theory, the most famous of which has become known as the EPR paradox. John Bell showed that the EPR paradox led to experimentally testable differences between quantum mechanics and local hidden variable theories. Experiments have been taken as confirming that quantum mechanics is correct and the real world cannot be described in terms of such hidden variables. "Loopholes" in the experiments, however, mean the question is still not quite settled.

See the Bohr-Einstein debates

The Everett many-worlds interpretation, formulated in 1956, holds that all the possibilities described by quantum theory simultaneously occur in a "multiverse" composed of mostly independent parallel universes. While the multiverse is deterministic, we perceive non-deterministic behavior governed by probabilities because we can observe only the universe we inhabit.

The Bohm interpretation, formulated by David Bohm, postulates the existence of a non-local, universal wavefunction (Schrödinger equation) which allows distant particles to interact instantaneously. Based on this interpretation, Bohm has speculated that the ultimate nature of physical reality is not a collection of separate objects (as it appears to us), but rather an undivided whole that is in perpetual dynamic flux. However, the Bohm interpretation is not popular among physicists, largely because it is considered very inelegant.





History
In 1900, Max Planck introduced the idea that energy is quantized, in order to derive a formula for the observed frequency dependence of the energy emitted by a black body. In 1905, Einstein explained the photoelectric effect by postulating that light energy comes in quanta called photons. In 1913, Bohr explained the spectral lines of the hydrogen atom, again by using quantization. In 1924, Louis de Broglie put forward his theory of matter waves.

These theories, though successful, were strictly phenomenological: there was no rigorous justification for quantization. They are collectively known as the old quantum theory.

The phrase "quantum physics" was first used in Johnston's Planck's Universe in Light of Modern Physics.

Modern quantum mechanics was born in 1925, when Heisenberg developed matrix mechanics and Schrödinger invented wave mechanics and the Schrödinger equation. Schrödinger subsequently showed that the two approaches were equivalent.

Heisenberg formulated his uncertainty principle in 1927, and the Copenhagen interpretation took shape at about the same time. Starting around 1927, Paul Dirac unified quantum mechanics with special relativity. He also pioneered the use of operator theory, including the influential bra-ket notation, as described in his famous 1930 textbook. During the same period, John von Neumann formulated the rigorous mathematical basis for quantum mechanics as the theory of linear operators on Hilbert spaces, as described in his likewise famous 1932 textbook. These, like many other works from the founding period still stand, and remain widely used.

The field of quantum chemistry was pioneered by Walter Heitler and Fritz London, who published a study of the covalent bond of the hydrogen molecule in 1927. Quantum chemistry was subsequently developed by a large number of workers, including the American chemist Linus Pauling.

Beginning in 1927, attempts were made to apply quantum mechanics to fields rather than single particles, resulting in what are known as quantum field theories. Early workers in this area included Dirac, Pauli, Weisskopf, and Jordan. This area of research culminated in the formulation of quantum electrodynamics by Feynman, Dyson, Schwinger, and Tomonaga during the 1940s. Quantum electrodynamics is a quantum theory of electrons, positrons, and the electromagnetic field, and served as a role model for subsequent quantum field theories.

The many worlds interpretation was formulated by Everett in 1956.

The theory of quantum chromodynamics was formulated beginning in the early 1960s. The theory as we know it today was formulated by Politzer, Gross and Wilzcek in 1975. Building on pioneering work by Schwinger, Higgs, Goldstone and others, Glashow, Weinberg and Salam independently showed how the weak nuclear force and quantum electrodynamics could be merged into a single electroweak force.

 
AluminumStudios: Part of your statement, "the nature of the incompatibiliteis between quantum mechanics and relativity", are they?

Just for laughs lets say I'm from another physcial world much different from the laws of this one. I come here for a visit. While I'm here, I for the first time ever, I see flowing water, I see ice and I am somewhat aware of water vapor. I don't have any of these items back home. While I'm here I can't help but notice flowing water and rigid ice as it's so abundant. I go back home and try to work out an equation in regards to the fundamental differences in water vs ice. How different they are. They can't be the same thing as they are so different. I'll need to work on a theory and explain these two different items. I'll also need to work on a seperate theory to explain how water and ice co exist with one another. As for the water vapor, I'll work on another theory for that as it's so different from the other two. It takes more of a leap of faith in theories with the water vapor as one will use theory to explain it more so than the other two. The water vapor being so much harder to see and all. So, back home I come up with three seperate theories to explain each of the these three items I saw/studied while on Earth. Each theory works well with it's own item, but doesn't fit with the other two. So, the conclusion is, "The nature of incompatibilities between water and ice is just to great for all to follow". Wouldn't it be fantastic if they were one in the same, naaaah!, can't be, all the current theories say otherwise.- Just a thought!
 
Let me see if I can get a simple example / analogy.

Quantum Mechanics predicts uncertainties. Consider the ocean. From a plane (up high) it looks flat and smooth. However as you zoom in, you'll start to see swells and waves. As you zoom in more and more, the surface will be less smooth - right at the surface you'll have molecules bouncing all over the place.

The same thing happens with all the fields / quantities in the universe, so what appears smooth to us really has "Quantum Jitters". The problem occurs when you zoom in really far. When measuring things on the plank scale (1x10^-34 meters) or in plank seconds (the time it takes light to travel that far), things get very strange - essentially, what were small jitters, waves and variations seemingly 'tear' the fabric. This is certainly not good.

So, basically thats the problem - you can't apply Quantum theory to increasingly small dimensions.
 
f95toli and Dr. Pizza can probably give better answers, but here's mine - take it with a grain of salt. 😛

First, one needs to understand the difference between stochastic and deterministic systems. A deterministic system is one in which the system has one and only one output for a given input. On the other hand, stochastic systems are systems in which the output of the system has some distribution around a mean value (typically a Gaussian distribution) for a given input. Thus, for stochastic systems, the exact output can never be known from the input value, but you can know the distribution of outputs to expect.

What does this have to do with anything? Quantum mechanics attempts to explain events on a very, very small (length and/or time) scale by considering the events as taking place in a stochastic system. Since you cannot truly observe a single particle, you observe a group of particles. The group of particles will give you a distribution of locations (or other property) over time.

Classical physics, on the other hand, allows us to look at larger-scale objects and systems. Since we can observe one specific object at a time, we can know exactly how it behaves. Given identical circumstances, conditions, and objects, we can reasonably expect the same result for each instance of an event.
 
Originally posted by: PatboyX
so, i just read that quantum mechanics and general relativity when used together in equations produce results of infinite probability.
can anyone give me an example of what sort of equations these would be?

Forces in quantum field theory are the result of the exchange of virtual bosons, like photons for the electromagnetic force, or gravitons for the gravitational force. It's difficult to explain in a text medium, without diagrams and mathematical symbols, but calculations in quantum field theory are typically done as perturbation series.

Feynman showed a way to associate each term in the series with a physical reaction between particles, illustrated in a Feynman graph. Here's a Feyman graph showing the simplest type of electromagnetic interaction of two charged particles by exchanging a photon:
http://plus.maths.org/issue21/features/strings/feynman1.gif
The graph for two massive particles exchanging a graviton is identical, except for labels.

However, quantum theory requires us to take into account every possible interaction, not just the simplest one. These loop graphs represent higher order terms in the perturbation theory, and here's an example of one:
http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~amueller/images/intermed/feyn_loop.jpg

Now we experience a difference between quantum electrodynamics (QED) and quantum gravity. Photons only interact with charged particles, so they don't interact with each other, limiting the number of loop graphs, and giving us a series that converges. Gravitons interact with any particle that has energy, including themselves, leading to a combinatorial explosion of the number loop graphs and a perturbation series that diverges.

 
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