ex-GOP senator speaks out on conservatives

[GarfieldtheCat]

Retired Sen. Alan Simpson, calls out his own party on their bigotry and hypocrisy.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/1...our-secretary-family-value-republicans-video/

I think the class warfare thing is going to get worse and worse, the income inequality worse and worse. This business of the minimum wage, ‘Oh, you can’t afford $15.’ Well, then don’t publish your quarterly reports saying you made a billion and a half. Give me a break.”

“Hypocrisy is the original sin. It’s the guy who’s checking your moral values, like to ask for Jesus, you know — while they’re diddling their secretary. That’s not my idea of family values.”

LOL....all the family value types "diddling their secretary". Having been in Congress for all those years, he probably knows first hand of all the GOP'ers cheating on their wives while claiming to be good Christians. *cough* David Vitter*cough*

“You’ve got homosexuality. You’ve got Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell. We have homophobes in our party. That’s disgusting to me. We’re all human beings. We’re all God’s children. Now, if they’re going to get off on that stuff, Santorum has said some cruel things. Cruel, cruel things about homosexuals. Ask him about it. See if he attributes the cruelness of his remarks years ago, foul. Now, you know, that’s the kind of guys that are going to be on my ticket, you know, it makes you sort out hard what Reagan said, you know, ‘stick with your folks.’ But I’m not sticking with people who are homophobic, anti-women, you know, moral values while you’re diddling your secretary, while you’re giving a speech on moral values. Come on, get off of it.”

Need more GOP'ers to come out and denounce their party's bigotry and discrimination.

 

[retrospooty]

Yup. Regardless of where you personally fall on these issues, politically speaking the GOP has logistical problems that it needs to overcome. They have for whatever reason allowed the narrow minded bigots in the party to have the loudest voice ,even though they aren't the majority... They have allowed them to alienate gays, modern women, minorities, and those that believe in science (referring to evolution not climate change). They will have an extremely difficult time winning national elections until they get off of these ridiculously outdated social values from the 1800's. Good luck reps.

 

[Strk]

The minimum wage part really makes me laugh. Of all the GOP candidates, only one supports increasing it (Santorum). Mind you he is looking at a $0.50 increase over 3 years or something like that. And what happens when he brings that up? He gets attacked for it.

 

[dank69]

RINO, obviously.

 

[retrospooty]

The minimum wage part really makes me laugh. Of all the GOP candidates, only one supports increasing it (Santorum). Mind you he is looking at a $0.50 increase over 3 years or something like that. And what happens when he brings that up? He gets attacked for it.

This is what drives me nuts... The dems are all over crazy increases in minimum wage and it just doesn't work. But they may get their way because the reps are too concerned with trivial things like what two men do in their private lives, and how women practice birth control and blaming brown people for all of their problems instead of important financial matters.

You pay fast food workers $15 an hour and then you will have to pay $11 for your combo meal. You wont, because its not worth it and then fast food franchises start going out of business. Now instead of an $9-$10 an hour job for unskilled labor, there is no job at all. Well done!. The free market pays what the free market pays, it is s self correcting mechanism... If it is worth more, companies will have to pay more on their own. You cant mess with it like that or you break things.

 

[trenchfoot]

Being exclusive rather than being inclusive has its downside doesn't it?

 

[Sonikku]

This is what drives me nuts... The dems are all over crazy increases in minimum wage and it just doesn't work. But they may get their way because the reps are too concerned with trivial things like what two men do in their private lives, and how women practice birth control and blaming brown people for all of their problems instead of important financial matters.

You pay fast food workers $15 an hour and then you will have to pay $11 for your combo meal.

http://fortune.com/2015/07/30/15-per-hour-fast-food-prices/

Researchers at Purdue University’s School of Hospitality and Tourism Management found that raising pay for fast food restaurant workers to $15 an hour—the minimum wage that cities like Seattle and San Francisco have already adopted—would result in an estimated 4.3% increase in prices at those restaurants.

So yeah. About a 4.3% increase. But even keeping the patty size and everything one hundred percent identical it would be far, far short of the 100%+ increase I see thrown around this board constantly. "Enjoy your $8 Big Macs!" derp.

You wont, because its not worth it and then fast food franchises start going out of business.

Technically speaking, the Big Mac isn't worth the $3.99 it goes for today. People still buy that crap in fucking droves.

 

[retrospooty]

http://fortune.com/2015/07/30/15-per-hour-fast-food-prices/

So yeah. About a 4.3% increase. But even keeping the patty size and everything one hundred percent identical it would be far, far short of the 100%+ increase I see thrown around this board constantly. "Enjoy your $8 Big Macs!" derp.

Technically speaking, the Big Mac isn't worth the $3.99 it goes for today. People still buy that crap in fucking droves.

A "study" by Purdue University on how it will affect prices means literally nothing. Less than nothing. That is just not how business works. Who do you think will eat the cost? The franchise owners? That study is an absolute joke, especially using SF as an example. Wages are already high there because housing is ridiculous. Artificially inflating anything doesnt work, the free market works. It's like what we did with student loans. The cost of what people are willing to pay for college is X. The dems come out and want to give all these grants and loans to get more people into college. Now what does college cost? X + G + L (grants and loans). NICE job, now it's insanely expensive and the only ones getting rich are banks making the loans and the colleges themselves, the people it was designed to help are hurting even more. You CANT mess with economics.

 

[trenchfoot]

Well, I do find it interesting that this subject of minimum wage will always have the fact that the rise in cost of living having far outstripped the minimum wage's ability to keep up with it is always totally ignored in favor of how much more something is going to cost, never mind that obscene corporate profits must always take priority and cannot EVER be tapped into to pay for a share in increasing the minimum wage.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

A "study" by Purdue University on how it will raise prices means literally nothing. Less than nothing. That is just not how business works. Who do you think will eat the cost? The franchise owners? That study is an absolute joke.

The idea is if you do the math it would never be that high, I read that the average McD serves 60 meal or items per hour it generally takes 2-3 people to prepare, serve and clean up the meal. So if 3 people earn a collective $12 more per hour it would be .20 per item or meal I can't remember what the exact stat was. This also assumes the customer would cover the entire cost. Many low paying businesses are serving a cost conscious customers so its doubtful the customer would end up paying the entire increase. Franchise owners are running very tight margins so it would likely be absorbed by the corporation. Thus we get back to why complain about paying more when you report a billion and a half quarterly (I know this doesn't apply to McD's)

 

[retrospooty]

The idea is if you do the math it would never be that high, I read that the average McD serves 60 meal or items per hour it generally takes 2-3 people to prepare, serve and clean up the meal. So if 3 people earn a collective $12 more per hour it would be .20 per item or meal I can't remember what the exact stat was. This also assumes the customer would cover the entire cost. Many low paying businesses are serving a cost conscious customers so its doubtful the customer would end up paying the entire increase. Franchise owners are running very tight margins so it would likely be absorbed by the corporation. Thus we get back to why complain about paying more when you report a billion and a half quarterly (I know this doesn't apply to McD's)

Your math is not incorrect. The thought that it "would likely be absorbed by the corporation" is a leap. Since when do corporations do what is best for workers and customers? It's all about profit. If the site isn't making enough profit, it closes and then there are zero no-skill jobs.

 

[trenchfoot]

Calling all moderate Repubs......Calling all moderate Repubs.....Please take your party back so our nation can resume prospering like we did in the 50's, where most ALL folks saw that their dreams of having a better life for themselves and their children were actually coming true to life.

 

[Paratus]

Yup. Regardless of where you personally fall on these issues, politically speaking the GOP has logistical problems that it needs to overcome. They have for whatever reason allowed the narrow minded bigots in the party to have the loudest voice ,even though they aren't the majority... They have allowed them to alienate gays, modern women, minorities, and those that believe in science (referring to evolution not climate change). They will have an extremely difficult time winning national elections until they get off of these ridiculously outdated social values from the 1800's. Good luck reps.

A "study" by Purdue University on how it will affect prices means literally nothing. Less than nothing. That is just not how business works. Who do you think will eat the cost? The franchise owners? That study is an absolute joke, especially using SF as an example. Wages are already high there because housing is ridiculous. Artificially inflating anything doesnt work, the free market works. It's like what we did with student loans. The cost of what people are willing to pay for college is X. The dems come out and want to give all these grants and loans to get more people into college. Now what does college cost? X + G + L (grants and loans). NICE job, now it's insanely expensive and the only ones getting rich are banks making the loans and the colleges themselves, the people it was designed to help are hurting even more. You CANT mess with economics.

Math and science are hard for some conservatives. (Referring to climate change evolution and the Purdue study as examples)

 

[Genx87]

The idea is if you do the math it would never be that high, I read that the average McD serves 60 meal or items per hour it generally takes 2-3 people to prepare, serve and clean up the meal. So if 3 people earn a collective $12 more per hour it would be .20 per item or meal I can't remember what the exact stat was. This also assumes the customer would cover the entire cost. Many low paying businesses are serving a cost conscious customers so its doubtful the customer would end up paying the entire increase. Franchise owners are running very tight margins so it would likely be absorbed by the corporation. Thus we get back to why complain about paying more when you report a billion and a half quarterly (I know this doesn't apply to McD's)

Franchise owners absorb the cost, not the corporation. All McDonalds, BK, DQ ect do is sell a franchisee the right to use approved vendors and logos. The cost is on the franchisee. If the franchisee cant make his payments he loses his business. The parent corporation doesnt absorb squat. McDonalds does have corporate owned stores. But you know what they are doing? They are divesting themselves of these stores. They were at I believe a ~25% share of stores being corporate owned. They want to get into the single digit realm in the coming years and shift costs onto franchisees. I wonder why?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Your math is not incorrect. The thought that it "would likely be absorbed by the corporation" is a leap. Since when do corporations do what is best for workers and customers? It's all about profit. If the site isn't making enough profit, it closes and then there are zero no-skill jobs.

Three people earning $4 more per hour = $12 more per hour/60 items per hour= $.20 per item.

Point is a $12 McD burger that's cost increase only goes to the workers pay would be an enormous pay increase.

 

[retrospooty]

Calling all moderate Repubs......Calling all moderate Repubs.....Please take your party back so our nation can resume prospering like we did in the 50's, where most ALL folks saw that their dreams of having a better life for themselves and their children were actually coming true.

halle-freegin-lujah. THIS! THIS is what we need.

You obviously are aware of the time when the reps used to stand for small govt, govt out of peoples lives, a low tax, business friendly fiscal environment and above all personal responsibility. THAT is what made the USA a great power and the greatest economy on Earth... Neither party represents that anymore.

Why did trumpeting against gay marriage, abortion and brown people replace such important things? It still blows my mind.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Franchise owners absorb the cost, not the corporation. All McDonalds, BK, DQ ect do is sell a franchisee the right to use approved vendors and logos. The cost is on the franchisee. If the franchisee cant make his payments he loses his business. The parent corporation doesnt absorb squat. McDonalds does have corporate owned stores. But you know what they are doing? They are divesting themselves of these stores. They were at I believe a ~25% share of stores being corporate owned. They want to get into the single digit realm in the coming years and shift costs onto franchisees. I wonder why?

Then the franchise will make remodeling or acquiring a license or even the basic costs lower or there will be fewer McD owners and they'll concentrate their business better.

 

[retrospooty]

Three people earning $4 more per hour = $12 more per hour/60 items per hour= $.20 per item.
Point is a $12 McD burger that's cost increase only goes to the workers pay would be an enormous pay increase.

Again, its not math. It's business and profit. You don't mess with the free market or bad things happen. You just dont do it. Anyhow, let me not derail this thread any further, it's not about minimum wage, its about the loonies that took over the republican party.

 

[Genx87]

Then the franchise will make remodeling or acquiring a license or even the basic costs lower or there will be fewer McD owners and they'll concentrate their business better.

You think McDonalds is going to lower their franchisee license fees ect? They may but doubtful. My point is the people running small business are the ones being hit by increases in labor costs not huge corporations. So pointing out corporate murrica is making billions as a reason why min wage should be increased is disingenuous in this argument. The people running these small business are not multi millionaire fat cats. They run small business on low margins. Margins that can be easily wiped out by large increase in labor costs over a short time. Once the profits are gone so is the business.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

You think McDonalds is going to lower their franchisee license fees ect? They may but doubtful. My point is the people running small business are the ones being hit by increases in labor costs not huge corporations. So pointing out corporate murrica is making billions as a reason why min wage should be increased is disingenuous in this argument. The people running these small business are not multi millionaire fat cats. They run small business on low margins. Margins that can be easily wiped out by large increase in labor costs over a short time. Once the profits are gone so is the business.

Hey address the former Senator

 

[Genx87]

Hey address the former Senator

I had a reply all setup for this thread but read yours first

 

[Newell Steamer]

The problem here is the OP - because he brought it up.

It does not matter what the GOP is doing, the issue is that someone is talking about what they are doing.

The Righthadists on these forums claim they want discussions, but they constantly discredit, downplay and vilify the messenger. This is not a sign of wanting to discuss.

 

[senseamp]

GOP is a broken party. I don't see how a reasonable person can remain in it.

 

[retrospooty]

GOP is a broken party. I don't see how a reasonable person can remain in it.

Its like a football team with a whole bunch of players, butone of them is stark raving insane and simply cannot maintain in public without arguing and fighting with everyone that crosses his path... Disruptive at every turn. That one person is only one, but its all anyone sees when looking at the team. The team needs to give that guy the boot or it will never be healthy again.

 

[alien42]

Its like a football team with a whole bunch of players, butone of them is stark raving insane and simply cannot maintain in public without arguing and fighting with everyone that crosses his path... Disruptive at every turn. That one person is only one, but its all anyone sees when looking at the team. The team needs to give that guy the boot or it will never be healthy again.

here is a more accurate analogy for you. it's like a football team, some of the players and all of the coaches are stark raving insane.

a lot more than one teammate needs to get the boot.