ex DEA heads say Obama dropping ball on pot

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CHICAGO – Eight former Drug Enforcement Administration chiefs say the federal government needs to act now or it might lose the chance to nullify Colorado and Washington's laws legalizing recreational marijuana use.

The onetime DEA heads are issuing joint statements Tuesday saying the Obama administration has reacted too slowly and should immediately sue to force the states to rescind the legislation.

The Associated Press received an advance copy of the statement Monday.
One of the former DEA administrators, Peter Bensinger, told the AP that the more time goes by, the harder it'll be to stop the two states. Marijuana is illegal under federal law.
Bensinger, who lives in the Chicago area, said not acting forthrightly to sue the states might create "a domino effect" in which other states follow suit.

"My fear is that the Justice Department will do what they are doing now: do nothing and say nothing," said Bensinger. "If they don't act now, these laws will be fully implemented in a matter of months."

U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder told a meeting of state attorneys general last week that he is still reviewing the laws but that his review is winding down. Asked Monday for a comment on the criticism from the former DEA administrators, Holder spokeswoman Allison Price would only say, "The Department of Justice is in the process of reviewing those initiatives."

The department's review has been under way since shortly after last fall's elections. It could sue to block the states from issuing licenses to marijuana growers, processors and retail stores, on the grounds that doing so conflicts with federal drug law. Alternatively, Holder could decide not to mount a court challenge.

The ex-DEA heads are issuing the statements though the Florida-based Save Our Society from Drugs, a national group lobbying against legalization. One of the group's spokesmen is based in Chicago.

The former DEA administrators are Bensinger, John Bartels, Robert Bonner, Thomas Constantine, Asa Hutchinson, John Lawn, Donnie Marshall and Francis Mullen. They served for both Republican and Democratic administrations.

Holder is scheduled to appear Wednesday before a U.S. Senate judiciary committee hearing. The former DEA chiefs want senators to question Holder on the legalization issue.
Advocates of legalization have welcomed Colorado and Washington's new laws, arguing that criminalizing drugs creates serious though unintended social problems. The ex-DEA heads say they disagree with that view.

After votes last fall, Colorado and Washington became the first states to legalize marijuana's recreational use -- putting federal authorities in a quandary over how, or whether, to respond.

Washington state officials responsible for creating a regulated marijuana system have said they are moving forward with a timetable of issuing producer licenses by August.
Bensinger -- who served as DEA administrator under Presidents Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan -- said the supremacy of federal law over state law when it comes to drug laws isn't in doubt.

"This is a no brainer," he said. "It is outrageous that a lawsuit hasn't been filed in federal court yet."

Clowns. Total Clowns. "Its outrageous that a law suit hasn't been filed yet."

No, it's outrageous that you're opinions are even relevant. The people have spoken and they want you to go pound sand.

I know it's not 'federal legalization' but if holder decides to do nothing, isn't that basically a green light?
 

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Cannabis is a cash crop whether it is legal or not. When it is illegal the money goes to Mexico and the private prison industry. When it is legal it goes to growers in the US and to local tax pools. You can tell where these individuals want it to go.
 

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Obama is not dropping the ball, because he is for legalization of weed. Just like gay marriage, did anybody really think he wasn't for it since the beginning? Actually, these two topics are about the only things I can say I agree with him on. I'd still rather America would have kicked the bum out, though.
 

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Cannabis is a cash crop whether it is legal or not. When it is illegal the money goes to Mexico and the private prison industry. When it is legal it goes to growers in the US and to local tax pools. You can tell where these individuals want it to go.

For them it's not the money from the drugs, it's the billions to fight them. The shoring up of civilian paramilitary police units, weapons and gear, and forcing their morals on everyone else, as well as the multi-billion dollar a year prison industry. It's the same mentality as racist.
 

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Holder's boss, the President could stop enforcement by writing a single letter to Holder advising him to make drug enforcement a lower priority.

But he hasn't has he?

Interesting no?

Uno

It is, because I was told by so many people before he was elected that he was on "our side" and things would change. His actions amount to his inactions.
 

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It is, because I was told by so many people before he was elected that he was on "our side" and things would change. His actions amount to his inactions.

He's not going to stick his neck out and actually lead on this topic, because he doesn't have to. It's obvious which way the country is headed when it comes to legalization of pot. All he has to do is leave things on autopilot, which is what he's been doing, and we'll eventually arrive at our destination. He just had to maintain the dog and pony show for a little while, because if you haven't noticed, Obama is a master at hiding his true intentions.
 

TechBoyJK

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He's not going to stick his neck out and actually lead on this topic, because he doesn't have to. It's obvious which way the country is headed when it comes to legalization of pot. All he has to do is leave things on autopilot, which is what he's been doing, and we'll eventually arrive at our destination. He just had to maintain the dog and pony show for a little while, because if you haven't noticed, Obama is a master at hiding his true intentions.

Yea, I'm thinking he can just focus on other stuff, and let the people work this one out. 2 states already legalized it and told the feds to pound sand. A few more are nearing legalization as well.

I think this idea of inaction is exactly what's freaking these poor dea people out. They know the end result of obama doing nothing is the continued push towards total legalization which isn't getting much resistance. If they do nothing now, it'll only get harder and harder to stop the legalization train.
 

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When I saw the title I thought they were going to go the other way with it. I don't know why. I guess I'm still not cynical enough.

My growing cynicism makes me wonder if it's not implementation of the laws that has them worried, it's that soon we'll have two case studies on legalization. When they say 'marijuana causes terrorism, rape, and teen pregnancy' people will say 'well it doesn't seem to cause those things in Colorado and Washington.'
 

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When I saw the title I thought they were going to go the other way with it. I don't know why. I guess I'm still not cynical enough.

My growing cynicism makes me wonder if it's not implementation of the laws that has them worried, it's that soon we'll have two case studies on legalization. When they say 'marijuana causes terrorism, rape, and teen pregnancy' people will say 'well it doesn't seem to cause those things in Colorado and Washington.'

It will take a while, but once people realize their children aren't going to end up blowing dudes for crack because they smoked a joint more and more will come around.
 

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[SIZE=+3]We the People[/SIZE] of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
 

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[SIZE=+3]We the People[/SIZE] of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Exactly, and in none of the freedoms not enumerated does it say anything about any rights to use drugs. It is also not in the Bible.
 

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Eight former Drug Enforcement Administration chiefs say the federal government needs to act now or it might lose the chance to nullify Colorado and Washington's laws legalizing recreational marijuana use.

That old school of thought needs to die off.

There is no reason for weed to be illegal, except fear-mongering.
 

Ryan

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Yeah....let's take advice from guys who dropped the ball on the war on drugs.
 
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What they are worried about is these two states paving the way for the others to cash in. They know the War on Drugs has been a colossal failure. But it provided them with jobs. If these states show the net benefit of legalizing the sale of these products. The avgerage person will start supporting more measures in their states. Which would put people like these assholes out of work.
 

TechBoyJK

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Exactly, and in none of the freedoms not enumerated does it say anything about any rights to use drugs. It is also not in the Bible.

There's really nothing in the bible that forbids smoking a joint.

Only thing it advises against is the misuse of pharmacopia to the point you can't handle your own shit.

So it forbids being a total lazy stoner and not paying child support and your bills, but for the everyday guy, it's perfectly alright to unwind with the weed.

#I've actually played bass at my church stoned.
 
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It's hardly surprising that the former chiefs of the DEA who were in charge of maintaining the war on drugs would speak out when an illegal substance starts to gain broad support. They're true believers in the cause. The cause happens to be stupid, costly, unsuccessful and impossible... but they believe in it. So they'll speak out against legalized marijuana, even for medicinal reasons, because they've built their careers around a belief that marijuana is dangerous and needs to be restricted. They're not an impartial source any more than a stoner is telling you that everyone needs to smoke pot.
 

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Obama is not dropping the ball, because he is for legalization of weed. Just like gay marriage, did anybody really think he wasn't for it since the beginning? Actually, these two topics are about the only things I can say I agree with him on. I'd still rather America would have kicked the bum out, though.

Agree here except that I still think he was the best candidate to unite and lead america. Obama is so full of shit it's coming out his ears, but Romney would have been worse from what I saw.

The prison system requires untold fortunes to house/feed inmates on minor drug charges. Have a meth addiction?, fail a test... 9 months in county. Locking up addicts is big business and combined with failed drug policies the drain is two fold. Failure to enforce or curb drug smuggling/use while costing billions,... and the billions more to house the "criminals" we insist drug users are...
 

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He's not going to stick his neck out and actually lead on this topic, because he doesn't have to. It's obvious which way the country is headed when it comes to legalization of pot. All he has to do is leave things on autopilot, which is what he's been doing, and we'll eventually arrive at our destination. He just had to maintain the dog and pony show for a little while, because if you haven't noticed, Obama is a master at hiding his true intentions.

"Leading from the behind" is what he called his strategy in Libya. You might ask the late ambassador how that worked out.

The fact is that this would be a great way to deal with the sequester crisis that Obama has articulated.

Harvard Economist: Legalizing Drugs Suits Ideal of American Freedom

"If it legalized drugs, the United States could save $85 billion to $90 billion per year. Roughly half that is spent on the current drugs policy and half that is lost in taxes that the state could have levied on legal drugs."

By not participating in the drug legalization debate, Obama is just reinforcing the status quo...

Uno
 

BudAshes

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We should make these guys go live in a mexican border town. See how they enjoy the war on drugs on the other side of the border.
 

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Clowns. Total Clowns. "Its outrageous that a law suit hasn't been filed yet."

No, it's outrageous that you're opinions are even relevant. The people have spoken and they want you to go pound sand.

I know it's not 'federal legalization' but if holder decides to do nothing, isn't that basically a green light?

I find it interesting that these ex DEA heads are carrying on about this. There is a lot of money to be made by keeping marijuana illegal. Just think how much funding is given to the states, to law enforcement to go after individuals uses or selling marijuana. Not too mention the enormous amount of money from "free" labor of inmates who are put in jails or prison for drug use, or selling drugs.

If the states are able to keep pot legal, that will take away a lot of law enforcement funding and jobs.

These ex DEA heads are a bit ignorant in my opinion though. Pot is not as damaging as say alcohol which is legal. Making it legal and getting rid of the federal law that keeps it illegal will open doors to new thriving businesses, a new market (thats regulated and taxed) and could increase economy growth, especially in those states.
 

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"Leading from the behind" is what he called his strategy in Libya. You might ask the late ambassador how that worked out.

The fact is that this would be a great way to deal with the sequester crisis that Obama has articulated.

Harvard Economist: Legalizing Drugs Suits Ideal of American Freedom

"If it legalized drugs, the United States could save $85 billion to $90 billion per year. Roughly half that is spent on the current drugs policy and half that is lost in taxes that the state could have levied on legal drugs."

By not participating in the drug legalization debate, Obama is just reinforcing the status quo...

Uno

Exactly, same thing with prostitution, just think how much money is lost by not legalizing these things and taxing / regulating them.