Evidence That Saddam Intended To Attack The US and Iraq connections to Osama

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: jjzelinski
Christ, tell me that's not an actual quote...

Christ had nothing to do with it, and here's your choice of sources verifying that Bush looked into Putin's eyes and "saw his soul."

Harvey, you forget that Bush is the second coming. Or that god told him he would be president. Or both.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: techs
The mere fact that anyone dares to re-print the claim in this post proves they are not interested in facts but are part of the blinded by Bush propaganda team.

SADDAM had no ties with Al-Qaeda. Saddam and Al-Qaeda hated each other.
Putins claim has NEVER been supported by any SHRED of evidence.
Nuff said.

The two Free Republic translations are proof of what Putin said. Do you not see that? What part of "call to strike the presence and interests of America" and " names of those who desire to volunteer for Suicide Mission to liberate Palestine and to strike American Interests " Don't you not understand?

I don't have time to dig up the al-Qaeda-Saddam links, but they are there and I have posted them before.
There was a time in which they were working together. However, it is believed that their relationship soured some time before our invasion. Unfortunately, Saddam didn't bother to send us the memo stating their "hatred" for each other and we did not learn of the rift in their relationship until AFTER the war.

Only the most tenuous links and certainly no reason to go to war over.

The rest of the crap you spew is pure freeper BS and belongs in the freeper echo chamber where you all nod and sway back and forth memorizing the wingnut talking points like some poor kid in a Pakistani madrassa.

If any of the so-called "evidence" was worth talking about, it would have been brought up 3+ years ago.

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: techs
The mere fact that anyone dares to re-print the claim in this post proves they are not interested in facts but are part of the blinded by Bush propaganda team.

SADDAM had no ties with Al-Qaeda. Saddam and Al-Qaeda hated each other.
Putins claim has NEVER been supported by any SHRED of evidence.
Nuff said.

The two Free Republic translations are proof of what Putin said. Do you not see that? What part of "call to strike the presence and interests of America" and " names of those who desire to volunteer for Suicide Mission to liberate Palestine and to strike American Interests " Don't you not understand?

I don't have time to dig up the al-Qaeda-Saddam links, but they are there and I have posted them before.
There was a time in which they were working together. However, it is believed that their relationship soured some time before our invasion. Unfortunately, Saddam didn't bother to send us the memo stating their "hatred" for each other and we did not learn of the rift in their relationship until AFTER the war.

Only the most tenuous links and certainly no reason to go to war over.

The rest of the crap you spew is pure freeper BS and belongs in the freeper echo chamber where you all nod and sway back and forth memorizing the wingnut talking points like some poor kid in a Pakistani madrassa.

If any of the so-called "evidence" was worth talking about, it would have been brought up 3+ years ago.

And it would have been in the 9-11 commission report.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: The non-Surviving Twin
ProfJohn,

Nice post.

However, the libs and hippies will never accept any pro-war evidence, not even Democratic party members overwhelmingly voting for the war based on the same intelligence that the US administration, Russia, France, and the UN had. They're are the same yellow bellies that let Hitler run across Europe killing millions because "it's not America's problem".

"Scared Neocons wet their beds at night dreaming of rough men fondling their behind." -Mark Foley

Who are the Yellow Bellies, Russia, France and the UN or the"libs and hippies" ?

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: The non-Surviving Twin
ProfJohn,

Nice post.

However, the libs and hippies will never accept any pro-war evidence, not even Democratic party members overwhelmingly voting for the war based on the same intelligence that the US administration, Russia, France, and the UN had. They're are the same yellow bellies that let Hitler run across Europe killing millions because "it's not America's problem".

"Scared Neocons wet their beds at night dreaming of rough men fondling their behind." -Mark Foley

Who are the Yellow Bellies, Russia, France and the UN or the"libs and hippies" ?

I thought that was good old "4 deferment Dick" Cheney.

 

[UberNeuman]

Oh my gosh! ProfJohn should get Fox News on the horn! He's broke the case!

/oh wait, Fox News would be repeating this "news" everyday if there were any merit to it.... Maybe send this to the Hannity-savant - he likes to feed lies and distortions to the chumps....

 

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Ldir

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Don?t forget the money directly given to Palestinian suicide bombers. That alone is an act of war.

Enough with the talking points. He did not give money to suicide bombers. That is another of Dub's big lies. Even if he had, it would not be an act of war against the US because the suicide bombers did not target us.

The truth is not a talking point. The news is several years old, makes it harder to find good internet links to the information ? but back in 2002 it was widely reported.

The truth can be a talking point. So what? Saddam paying suicide bombers is not the truth. It is one of Dub's big lies. Read your links. He paid families. It is not the same.




Perhaps the only liberal ?credible? link found by search engines today would be the BBC, but you can run a search yourself and see the results for yourself.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2846365.stm

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/03/25/1017004766310.html

http://www.intelligence.org.il/eng/eng_n/saddam.htm

Again, Israel and us are fighting a mutual war against Islamic extremists. Providing material support and safe haven to them is tantamount to an act of war.

Yet all I see here is the good old line.

?See no evil
Hear no evil
Speak no evil?

Heads are firmly buried in the sand for opposition against ?the greatest threat?, which liberals firmly believe is our own country. Heaven forbid we act against those who seek to kill us.

That is because it is what you want to see. It is also untrue.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: techs
The mere fact that anyone dares to re-print the claim in this post proves they are not interested in facts but are part of the blinded by Bush propaganda team.

SADDAM had no ties with Al-Qaeda. Saddam and Al-Qaeda hated each other.
Putins claim has NEVER been supported by any SHRED of evidence.
Nuff said.

The two Free Republic translations are proof of what Putin said. Do you not see that? What part of "call to strike the presence and interests of America" and " names of those who desire to volunteer for Suicide Mission to liberate Palestine and to strike American Interests " Don't you not understand?

I don't have time to dig up the al-Qaeda-Saddam links, but they are there and I have posted them before.
There was a time in which they were working together. However, it is believed that their relationship soured some time before our invasion. Unfortunately, Saddam didn't bother to send us the memo stating their "hatred" for each other and we did not learn of the rift in their relationship until AFTER the war.

Ya, free republic is a great and unbiased source of information. You can get scientific evidence that voting democrat causes cancer off that site...

Second of all, Putin is full of crap, plain and simple. Having gone thru the regime he was part of pre-89/92, I can tell you with full confidence that that man lies 99% of the time. You don't get to climb the KGB ladder for being a nice and honest boy. In the words of my mother, like hell i trust that guy

Saddam was/is a fake muslim (especially in the early 90s when he was trying to re-cast his image as god fearing man, I guess mostly because he was afraid of the theocratic revolutions next door) and bin Laden was disgusted by this. There are NO TIES between al'quaeda and Hussein what so ever, that point has been debunked over and over by the international intelligence comitee. Just google for saddam alquade ties and see what you get.

Also in the future, be so kind and refrain from posting free republicright-wing-nut crap here, it won't get you any credibility.

 

[sierrita]

Originally posted by: techs
I like the fact that this thread continues to stay on top.
It keeps reminding people of our involvelment in Iraq and how badly Bush misjudged the whole thing.

Truly.

It also serves as an almost "Guiness Book of World Records" look into some of the finest, almost CAD-like toad-eating we've seen in this forum.

Or is that giving old Poofey John too much credit.

 

[LunarRay]

IF I recall that story was posted two years ago and debunked then...

That it appears again is not surprising but a waste, IMO..

 

[sandorski]

This brings back so many fond memories of people making claims which Bush and Cheney had even finally fessed up as not being true.

 

[Lemon law]

In the long history of the world---police state dictators come and go---and use end justify the means tactics to stay on top of their particular dunghill.

Somehow I don't see a dimes worth of difference between GWB and Saddam. Power is all that motivates them. Its their way or the highway. And they always have their followers.
Blind to all that is humane.

 

[DealMonkey]

nm

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: LunarRay
IF I recall that story was posted two years ago and debunked then...

That it appears again is not surprising but a waste, IMO..

It was debunked because it was based on the fact that Russia could not provide any evidence whatsoever and was based primarly on Putin's word if it's worth anything these days. Also if you look at all the nations in the Middle-East everyone of them have supported "terrorists" groups knownly or unknownly in one form or another. Our to biggests "allies" Saudia Arabia and Pakistan have many sections of their goverment who support Al qaida in one form or another even if it's just sideline cheerleading.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: LunarRay
IF I recall that story was posted two years ago and debunked then...

That it appears again is not surprising but a waste, IMO..

Yep, if you look at the date of the Washington Post article, it was wayyy back in June '04.

 

[wetech]

Saddam may not have personally liked OBL, but he was definitely a fan of their tactics and successes.

Link

This pic was taken by my father during his tour in Iraq. They found all sorts of crap like this.

Can anyone read arabic and is able to translate the caption?

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: LunarRay
IF I recall that story was posted two years ago and debunked then...

That it appears again is not surprising but a waste, IMO..

Yep, if you look at the date of the Washington Post article, it was wayyy back in June '04.

Yes, it's essentially a repost. The story was discussed here at the time. For example.

One really interesting note from that thread, the story behind the story if you will, is that Fox News reported that Russian intelligence also warned the Bush administration that there were terrorists training to fly airplanes for attacks on the U.S. That would certainly help explain why Rumsfeld stopped flying commercial in July, 2001. It might even offer insight into why so many Pentagon officials suddenly cancelled their commercial flights the day before 9/11. Why do you suppose the OP ignored that part of this story?

 

[judasmachine]

the pentagon has plans to go to war with every nation, people, or other, so what?

 

[ProfJohn]

Here is a nice article from the Telegraph in the UK.
The proof that Saddam worked with bin Laden

Iraqi intelligence documents discovered in Baghdad by The Telegraph have provided the first evidence of a direct link between Osama bin Laden's al-Qa'eda terrorist network and Saddam Hussein's regime.

Papers found yesterday in the bombed headquarters of the Mukhabarat, Iraq's intelligence service, reveal that an al-Qa'eda envoy was invited clandestinely to Baghdad in March 1998.

The documents show that the purpose of the meeting was to establish a relationship between Baghdad and al-Qa'eda based on their mutual hatred of America and Saudi Arabia. The meeting apparently went so well that it was extended by a week and ended with arrangements being discussed for bin Laden to visit Baghdad.

And a direct link to the documents themselves.
'We'll pay all expenses to gain the knowledge from bin Laden and convey a message back'

Marked "Top Secret and Urgent" in the margin and signed by "MDA", thought to be the codename for the director of one of the intelligence sections within the Mukhabarat.

"The envoy is a trusted confidant and known by them. According to the above mediation we request official permission to call Khartoum station to facilitate the travel arrangements for the above-mentioned person to Iraq. And that our body carry all the travel and hotel expenses inside Iraq to gain the knowledge of the message from bin Laden and to convey to his envoy an oral message from us to bin Laden, the Saudi opposition leader, about the future of our relationship with him, and to achieve a direct meeting with him."

I suppose someone will try to explain away this as a biased source right?

 

[ProfJohn]

Here try to explain this one away

February 1999 CNN article
The good part

Saddam Hussein offered asylum

Iraqi President Saddam Hussein has offered asylum to bin Laden, who openly supports Iraq against the Western powers.

Of course we all know that CNN is just a front for the republican party. And this was planted by Rove two years before Bush even took power... damn they are so good.

oops forgot link
CNN link showing that Saddam offered Osama asylum

 

[Aisengard]

ProfJohn, I think you would be most comfortable in the year 2003, when Bush's approval ratings were still relatively high, Iraq was in first flush, and people still believed the BS you push.

My advice would be to invent a time machine to keep going back to that year. Although you seem convinced you're already there.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Aisengard
ProfJohn, I think you would be most comfortable in the year 2003, when Bush's approval ratings were still relatively high, Iraq was in first flush, and people still believed the BS you push.

My advice would be to invent a time machine to keep going back to that year. Although you seem convinced you're already there.

Hey I am just trying to prove that Saddam had ties to terror groups. A fact that MANY on here seem to deny.
Now look at the two posts above yours. One of them by CNN claims Saddam even offered Osama asylum. And yet people claim there was NO link between them...

 

[mchammer]

"The Taliban did promise that bin Laden would not use Afghanistan as a staging arena for terrorist activities."

Well that didn't work out too well did it.

 

[conjur]

AH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!

Rehashing this crap AGAIN??


AH HA HA HA HA A HA HA HA HA!!

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: wetech
Saddam may not have personally liked OBL, but he was definitely a fan of their tactics and successes.

Link

This pic was taken by my father during his tour in Iraq. They found all sorts of crap like this.

Can anyone read arabic and is able to translate the caption?

A picture really is worth a thousand words. Of course dems will say it probably was one of the al queda artists who painted that, and Saddam was unaware of it :laugh: