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EVGA 8600GT 79.99 AR at Frys.com Edit

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Looks decent for a 512 mb card with HDCP Text
$10 rebate through 10/31

I called the 800 number on the FRYs.com website and asked fpr the model number for the product. I was given 512-P2-N756-TR. This is where it gets wierd. The guy says the part you will receive is the 512-P2-N757-TR with the GDDR3 memory. He believes the rebate is incorrect. I don't think so. So, might have to change to a YMMV. If anyone gets the GDDR3 version, let us know.
 
Thanks, OP, in for one.

I just spent a lot of time yesterday shopping for
GF8 series cards and decided "to heck with them all" due to often
insanely bloated prices and low performance.

The 8600GT seemed to be about the minimum performance I'd want, but the
lowest price was $89 at Newegg after 20MIR which was a bit expensive.

79.99 with a smaller rebate and 512MBy instead of 256MB on the Newegg
model I was otherwise looking at is a much better deal.

I can't believe that there are still tons of low end GF5, GF6, etc. series
cards listed for sale at prices like DOUBLE what this one is going for on
Frys, Compusa, BestBuy, Newegg, etc. ; it's insane.

It looks like the card's performance (e.g. 3dmark) is only slightly better
than a 7800GT, which is a bit low for a mid-range card considering the
big price jump up to the 8800GTS at $260-$320ish, but for $80@512MB
it's decent enough to do most general purpose 3D / 2D stuff well and
a lot more affordable than the 8800GTS-640.

Evidentally at the end of October they'll be introducing what's rumored to be
an 8800GT for $200(256MB)-$250(512MB) with a lot more (112 IIRC) shader
processors to better compete in the mid-range of the performance/price market
though for a $170 savings and one month less wait I can certainly live
with this for non-heavy gaming / general purpose use.

Anything less than an 8600gt is really not so well performing for high detail /
high res (1600x1200 and up) DX9 performance, so this card seems to be the
sweet spot of value in the under $80 price range.

Since NVIDIA has much better LINUX driver support than ATI (at least
for the rest of 2007, we'll see about the future...) it's certainly the
better choice for that usage at this time, and the 8600gt would be great
for 2D / video / multimedia / 3D GUI etc.

If someone really wants primarily to do state of the art shader heavy real time
DX9 or DX10 stuff at or beyond 1600x1200 with very high quality settings,
though, it's probably starting to make sense to look at a higher model card though.

http://www23.tomshardware.com/...5&model2=855&chart=313
http://www.tomshardware.com/20...eforce_8600/index.html
 
FYI here's further information I dug up:

EVGA's own product specification for the board model listed in the
Fry's rebate form (512-P2-N756-TR):
http://evga.com/products/pdf/512-P2-N756-TR.pdf

The only bad thing seems to be someone's comment / review on NewEgg
that says that despite SLI being listed as a feature on the packaging, it
seemed to lack a SLI connector so that person couldn't figure out how to
get SLI to work.

Newegg link for the ostensibly same card:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814130292

Personally I THOUGHT I MIGHT have heard something long ago in general
(not about this board specifically) about under some circumstances being able to
get SLI to work over the PCI-Express bus without needing a special SLI
motherboard or SLI link cable. Maybe (just guessing) that's what they're
doing with this board if they don't have a SLI link connector like the guy
on NewEgg claimed, or maybe they were looking for the wrong thing, who knows.

At $89*2=$178 for 2 boards this wouldn't be a terrible board to consider doing
SLI with if you happened to already own one and was looking for slight
incremental performance improvement for a $90 investment. However I would
suggest for $180ish you'd be way better off with the 8800GT (upcoming?), or
8800GTS-320 single-card rather than intending to SLI two 8600GTs since either
of those options would have three to four times the number of shader processors
than the 8600 so even two 8600's SLIed wouldn't be as fast as a
single 8800GT or 8800GTS and the price difference would be small.

Otherwise looks like a nice deal for this board for the moment.



 
Crickey!
Well apparently Fry's *might* be trying to pull a fast one, the pic in the fry's ad CLEARLY shows a SLI connector on top the board, in addtion the heatsink and capacitor placement is different than the pic of the one shown on EVGA website. Thye model number matches what is one EVGA website and THAT card has NO SLI connector *however* you CAN get SLI to work w/o connectors it just runs through the bus instead, which yields slower performance from bandwidth sharing between cards.
 
I'm curious as to what video card prices will be at around Christmas and the first of the year.
My crystal ball's foggy.
 
Something is wrong with this deal. The Fry's page clearly indicates 512mb of DDR3. The picture on Fry's ties with this description when you compare to the EVGA website. However, the rebate is for a DDR2 card. Did they intend to put up the GDDR2 version for $90 - $10 rebate?

GDDR3 version = N757 (matches Fry's description and pic on EVGA website)
GDDR2 version = N756 (model number on rebate form)

I bought one. Fingers are crossed for the GDDR3 version. Hell, even if they don't give me the rebate, $90 for the GDDR3 version is still a nice deal.
 
the gddr2 version sucks. if that is what you get for $89 then this is a terrible deal. i bet frys screwed up the picture again, since gddr2 cards also dont have the sli connetor. i bet that the ddr2 version is wha twill arrive in the mail... its a good $30 cheaper for that one on newegg than the gddr3 version.


its still a pretty good deal at $89 for what it is, since its $109 at newegg.

then again it'd be a better performance value to get a 256mb ddr3 one.
 
Originally posted by: Modular
This model supports native mpeg-2 and HD decoding, no? If so, this is a killer deal for a HTPC.

EDIT: looks like it's great for non-HDCP H.264, very little benefit for all
other situations. See my later post later in the thread for details/benchmarks.

....old info..
I think it does support accellerated video decoding for HD video, yes, so it'd
be well suited for such a HTPC system. I'm not sure but I'd guess you'd
need to purchase separately the Nvidia PureVideo HD software to enable
that HD hardware decoding, though. Maybe you get some levels of
hardware decoding even with just the stock driver set though, I'm not sure.

Also you should keep in mind that (if I recall correctly) other even lower
priced models of NVIDIA cards also may have hardware HD decoding support,
so if HD video playback is your main goal, it might be possible to get similar
performance even with a lower end card. (8500gt? 8400gs? check the specs).

Someone said in another thread that the ATI 2400PRO ($55ish IIRC) is good
for HTPC, as well as my recollection about the 8500 / 8400. Maybe some
are better than others in performance / heat / HD capability / HDMI though.
 
Originally posted by: Tullphan
I'm curious as to what video card prices will be at around Christmas and the first of the year.
My crystal ball's foggy.

The rumors I've heard are about a new "G92" or similar "NVIDIA 9x00" series card to be launched by
the middle of November.

I've also heard they're launching an 8800gt or similar "mid range" card that'll be about four times the
performance of the 8600gt; rumor is $200 MSRP for 256MB, $250MSRP for 512MB, something like 96-112 shader
processors.

They'll cancel (they have already) the 8800GTS-320.

They'll change the 8800GTS-640 so that it'll have an additional 16 shader processors to make the new
total 112 vs. today's 96. I'd expect that card to be somewhere in the $200 to $320 price range.
It's probably the one that'd be most appropriate for a "serious real time fast action gamer" that wants
30+FPS for most games at resolutions of or better than 1600x1200 with high quality settings.

I don't know what they'll do with the 8400/8500/8600 range; either cancel some of them or
increase the performance and drop the price I guess. I'm not sure why there'd be a market for
so many different lower end models after they've added some better mid-range and high-end ones.

I'd guess you'd be looking at getting some good cards for $250 to $320 or so, and anything much
less than that you'll probably really fall off the performance curve for demanding games but would
still work great for RTS games, Vista, XP, movies, photos, etc.

 
This must be a spec typo, because I cant find a 8600GT with 512mb GDDR3 memory. There is a GTS with GDDR3 however. The 8600GT at Newegg shows GDDR2.
 
Thanks OP! Good price, and yeah, its not GDDR3 memory.

And anyone trying to SLI these aint too bright anyway. 😉
 
Looks like there's another inconsistent specification or two --

Fry's product page:
http://shop3.outpost.com/product/5410969
Specifications
Memory Size: 512MB
Memory Clock: 1400MHz
Memory Interface: 128-bit
Memory Type: GDDR3
Ports: 2 x DVI, HDTV / S-Video Out

Package Contents
2 x DVI to VGA/D-sub Adapter


...whereas EVGA's product spec. PDF
http://evga.com/products/pdf/512-P2-N756-TR.pdf
...for the card model listed in the Fry's rebate form:
At A Glance
* 512 MB 128-bit DDR2 Memory (700 MHz clock - 1.4 GHz effective)
* 22.4GB per second memory bandwidth
Features:
Two dual-link DVI outputs support two 2560x1600 resolution displays.

...Now the PICTURE in the same EVGA product spec. PDF shows
*ONE* DVI-I port (supposedly dual-link capable), *BUT* the other
connectors are *ONE* DB-15 VGA analog port, and *ONE* S-VIDEO/COMPOSITE
video output port. So EVGA's own spec/pictutre don't match in that there's
ONE usable DVI port, NOT TWO. If this is correct, it makes the Fry's
specification that the card has:
"Ports: 2 x DVI, HDTV / S-Video Out"
"Package Contents ...2 x DVI to VGA/D-sub Adapter..."
...quite bogus as well.

Also, as previously noted, Fry's page says 512MBy *DDR3* @ 1400MHz,
whereas the EVGA PDF says 512MBy *DDR2* @ 1400 Mhz effective
(double data rate 700 MHz clock). Gee I didn't know they made 700 MHz
input clock DDR2 memory; it'd be 200Mhz faster input clock than the DDR2-1066
that's used in fast PC memory, though I guess it's possible.

Whereas some guy added a review on the Newegg page of the card
model matching the Fry's rebate saying that there's actually 512MBy-DDR2,
AND claims that the memory clock for it is not 1400MHz but only 800MHz:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814130292
Maybe he's wrong about the clock rate; if he's right then seemingly
Fry's, Newegg, AND EVGA aren't listing the proper memory clock rate, which
is rather a stupendous blunder if true.

So basically the memory type (DDR2 vs DDR3) is in serious question,
as well as the possible lack of a SLI connector (though as someone sald
above I guess they can do it over the PCIE bus with no SLI connector
at a bit of a cost of performance) as well
a question of the the number and type of video ports
(DVI + DVI + 2*DVI to VGA dongle) vs
(DVI + VGA + 1*DVI to VGA dongle).

I have yet to see any benchmark review of the actual performance difference
between an EVGA card with 8600GT + 512DDR2 vs 512DDR2 vs 256DDR3;
I'm sure there's an improvement in highly detailed textures etc. for having
512 vs 256 memory, and I'm sure there's a performance loss in having DDR2
vs. DDR3 but who knows what that really is.

Seems like nobody has even the basic facts straight about this card.
WTF is so difficult about getting basic model numbers, features, specifications
straight? Argh.

That being said the absolute cheapest PCIE video cards I found of ANY type
were $18AR (huge rebate, old 7300 series model), $27AR (8500 model),
$40ish ar (8400gs series), $55ish AR (2400PRO and various 8500s),
and then this one. This is likely a lot more performant with 512MBy and the
8600gt chip vs. the other options for less than twice the cost, so I suppose
it's not too bad in comparison.

There are many passively cooled cards (no fan noise) in this low end
product range, though, for HTPC/quiet-PC use that may have some advantage
in that respect for that attribute only (though I bet many of them run HOT
under load with passive cooling in small cases).

This isn't bad for high performance 2D GUI / casual 1024x768 DX9 gaming /
HD and SD video playback, but the lack of consistent specifications is maddening.


 
Another possible problem which could be serious:
Fry's page:
HDCP Ready: Yes

EVGA PDF for the model listed in Fry's rebate says nothing that I notice about
supporting HDCP. If I recall correctly SOME models of 8600GT support HDCP,
while others do not.

Even if this card model MAY support HDCP, it's a worthy question to verify
that it would also support it when using dual-link DVI mode interface
(which is needed for some digital monitors and also above some resolutions);
I believe some original 8800 series NVIDIA cards which had HDCP may not
have supported it over dual-link even if they did single-link.

I seem to remember some big past problem with nvidia 8800 series cards and
1080i vs 1080p mode and something not working so that it wouldn't work with
a lot of HDTVs (interlaced mode?) but I'm very vague in my recollections.

 
New info re: H.264 / VC1 / MPEG2 / HD decoding.
Looks like it does great H.264 native decoding, and very LITTLE IMPROVEMENT
for VC1 or MPEG-2.

See this article for benchmarks:
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2977

However as they say, it's almost impossible to do good H.264 based HD
video without a lot of decoding hardware assistance even on a fairly fast
dual core Core2 CPU, whereas VC1 is much less demanding so maybe the
zero or small hardware assist the 8500/8600 gives will be enough to
make a HTPC practical with a relatively decent single core CPU or better.

However if you need HDCP, you better verify that any card you get supports
it in either single and/or dual link mode (whichever you need); many
8500 and 8600GT card models don't support HDCP at all, some few do.

Originally posted by: QuixoticOne
Originally posted by: Modular
This model supports native mpeg-2 and HD decoding, no? If so, this is a killer deal for a HTPC.

I think it does support accellerated video decoding for HD video, yes, so it'd
be well suited for such a HTPC system. I'm not sure but I'd guess you'd
need to purchase separately the Nvidia PureVideo HD software to enable
that HD hardware decoding, though. Maybe you get some levels of
hardware decoding even with just the stock driver set though, I'm not sure.

Also you should keep in mind that (if I recall correctly) other even lower
priced models of NVIDIA cards also may have hardware HD decoding support,
so if HD video playback is your main goal, it might be possible to get similar
performance even with a lower end card. (8500gt? 8400gs? check the specs).

Someone said in another thread that the ATI 2400PRO ($55ish IIRC) is good
for HTPC, as well as my recollection about the 8500 / 8400. Maybe some
are better than others in performance / heat / HD capability / HDMI though.

 
Mine shipped and is scheduled for delivery on the 17th. I also found that newegg does have a newegg-specific $10 rebate on this card. Maybe Fry's will get them to honor their own (incorrect) $10 rebate. Also, the 512mb GDDR3 card does support HDCP. It's up to the manufacturer to enable this feature, and the EVGA card does claim support for it.

http://images10.newegg.com/Upl...RSOct01Oct3107lt12.pdf
 
I got my card and sadly, it's the GDDR2 version. I'm going to call and complain (with documentation) that they advertised the GDDR3 version.
 
Originally posted by: Binky
I got my card and sadly, it's the GDDR2 version. I'm going to call and complain (with documentation) that they advertised the GDDR3 version.

Please let us know what happened after that; how difficult customer-disservice
was in resolving the matter, whether they tried to stick you with the product
or any fees / shipping expense / whatever, exchanged it for the described
model or whatever.
 
Fry's was fine when I called them. I got the SR to even try to get me the $160 256mb version in exchange (this didn't work, obviously). She gave me the return intstructions and told me to fax the shipping receipt (I pay) to them and they would credit me for the return shipping cost as well.

Oh well. No money out of my pocket.
 
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