eVGA 6800U Extreme on AT
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I don't know why the Catalyst 4.7 drivers were'nt used. They should have held the article up till testing was done with them, IMHO.
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I dont know if you really would've wanted that. The 4.7's offer somewhere in the neighborhood of 1 to 2% depending on the game and I have heard as much as 6% in one particular game, which is an improvement, but the 4.7's also cause a LOSS of performance in other area's. It could go either way and as the Conclusion of the article says, you cant go wrong with either ATI or NV this go round, but performance being equal, they would choose nv 6800GT for the best price/feature/performance product. I would have to agree with them as I have felt this way even before I read the article.
the pro right now is 19 dollars more than the gt. the pro beats it by 15% in farcry with AA/AF. Is that 19 dollars NOT worth it?
no because I don't own farcry, will that $19 be worth it when the 6800GT wipes the floor with the pro in Doom3?
The 4.7s don't decrease performance anywhere on the x800 cards and they increase performance in some direct3d games.
The Cat 4.7's offer quite a boost in nearly every test over the 4.6's, and put the card back on par with the performance seen in the 4.5's (according to one websites article comparing 4.5, 4.6 and 4.7 with an X800Pro card).
Consequently, I would put ATi's performance up a few percent across the board.
link here
UT2k4 is pretty much the same, bu at 16x12 2xAA, 16xAF it is 96.6 fps with 4.6 vs 108.2 fps with 4.7, a 12% increase in score, and around 15% increase at 16x12 4xAA, 16xAF with 4.7 vs both 4.5 and 4.6
Halo also scored almost 10% higher at 16x12 4xAA/16xAF and was higher at all other resolutions as well. (Only ~ 3% at 1024x768 no AA/AF)
Farcry up by 5% in most cases, and over 15% in some (20% was max increase)
Aquamark another 5% gain over the 4.6's.
No gain in splinter Cell, less than a % in TR:AoD.
ET same, CoD was up a percent of two in some cases.
Conclusion, AT should have waited for the 4.7's before testing, since they offer a marked improvement in many areas, and exceed the 4.6's in every area.
Consequently, I would put ATi's performance up a few percent across the board.
link here
UT2k4 is pretty much the same, bu at 16x12 2xAA, 16xAF it is 96.6 fps with 4.6 vs 108.2 fps with 4.7, a 12% increase in score, and around 15% increase at 16x12 4xAA, 16xAF with 4.7 vs both 4.5 and 4.6
Halo also scored almost 10% higher at 16x12 4xAA/16xAF and was higher at all other resolutions as well. (Only ~ 3% at 1024x768 no AA/AF)
Farcry up by 5% in most cases, and over 15% in some (20% was max increase)
Aquamark another 5% gain over the 4.6's.
No gain in splinter Cell, less than a % in TR:AoD.
ET same, CoD was up a percent of two in some cases.
Conclusion, AT should have waited for the 4.7's before testing, since they offer a marked improvement in many areas, and exceed the 4.6's in every area.
Exactly. That is the flaw in this article. Its supposed to determine value and it doesnt even use part of the value in buying a 6800!
Probably because we have only one sm3 game where it made little difference except in handpicked situations, and the 6800s were still slower than the XTPE even with sm3.
Little difference? In most cases, yes. But It still made a difference in the specific farcry benchmark used. It is still a factor and still results in a performance increase in almost every situation dispite it not always being 10% or greater in almost all situations. Also, the article isnt about just the top cards. You have to consider the value of the 6800GT and the 6800NU.
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The message is clear, The 9700pro is one of the greatest cards ever! :beer:
I have to give Rollo props for seeing the value in the 6800 while everyone else was saying it's overpriced junk too.
I couldn't agree more with Derek's conclusion either, I'm on record saying you can flip a coin on which company's offering to choose and not lose, and I chose the GT for the very reasons he did, it has a bit more potential.
I have to give Rollo props for seeing the value in the 6800 while everyone else was saying it's overpriced junk too.
I couldn't agree more with Derek's conclusion either, I'm on record saying you can flip a coin on which company's offering to choose and not lose, and I chose the GT for the very reasons he did, it has a bit more potential.
I just expect any reputable hardware site to use the manufactures latest WHQL certified driver. And for all Ati cards that would happen to be the 4.7. As far as i'm concerned, the whole article is invalid because AT did not use Ati's latest driver. The article gives me an idea of a comparison, but not a true one.
The 4.7's have been out long enough that they should have been used. They have been available as beta for over a week. I notice AT does not have any problems using nVidia beta drivers.
Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
The message is clear, The 9700pro is one of the greatest cards ever! :beer:
I have to give Rollo props for seeing the value in the 6800 while everyone else was saying it's overpriced junk too.
I couldn't agree more with Derek's conclusion either, I'm on record saying you can flip a coin on which company's offering to choose and not lose, and I chose the GT for the very reasons he did, it has a bit more potential.
I totally agree with what u said above. Just wait for the 9700Pro's price to go down as a reflection of the 9800's price drops which is a reflection of mass X800's and mass 6800's. Then the 9700 will be the next 9600pro(render anything with decent settings at a fair price) and the GT will be the next TI4200(last along time and good price).
-Just my ranting on the topic of value
NV only has beta drivers the last I knew. Maybe the article wasnt written this morning. Who knows. Guess what? NV will probably release more drivers soon also. Then ATI will follow with theirs. Its just a constant eternal battle anyways so who cares! Both are good, and both will stay good atleast through this generation. Nobody will unbiasedly make fun of anyone for buying any card that is currently released from this genenration because they are all soooo good!
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Marsumane,
Sick minds think alike I agree with what you said too, but would go so far as to say the 9700pro already is a tremendous value, particularly since so many can be had for $150ish or even less used :beer:
Sick minds think alike
I agree with what you said too, but would go so far as to say the 9700pro already is a tremendous value, particularly since so many can be had for $150ish or even less used :beer:Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
The message is clear, The 9700pro is one of the greatest cards ever! :beer:
I have to give Rollo props for seeing the value in the 6800 while everyone else was saying it's overpriced junk too.
I couldn't agree more with Derek's conclusion either, I'm on record saying you can flip a coin on which company's offering to choose and not lose, and I chose the GT for the very reasons he did, it has a bit more potential.
I guess i'll pipe in for Rollo here: They used the 9700pro, but did'nt bother using the 5800U? WTF?
And, the 9700pro is beginning to look like a TNT2 in a Ti500/8500 comparo
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I think even Rollo would say given how hard it is to get your hands on a 5800U that would be pointless. I also think though the 9700pro is falling back from the others@those high res and eye candy settings, that looking at it's overall longevity and value make it better than the TNT2 could have ever been by a wide margin :light:Originally posted by: Killrose
I guess i'll pipe in for Rollo here: They used the 9700pro, but did'nt bother using the 5800U? WTF?
And, the 9700pro is beginning to look like a TNT2 in a Ti500/8500 comparo
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