EVGA 560 Ti 448 Cores Classified "Ultra"

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  1. Hauk

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    It's a crippled GTX 570, so it should be using the reference 5xx series PCB/cooler.

    If I was going to buy that card, I'd pony up a little more cash for the real thing.
     
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    $200 480gtx is a better buy IMO.
     
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    You realize that a GTX 570 is a crippled GTX 580, right?
     
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    A 6950 is just as fast, cheaper, and has more vRAM. This card is irrelevant.
     
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    it might be irrelevant to you but a gtx560ti 448sp and 6950 2gb are priced about the same and gtx560ti 448sp is faster than the 6950 2gb overall. and not everybody wants an AMD card for whatever reason.
     
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    No, it's not. You're paying $40+ extra for a hotter card with less vRAM. "Not everyone wants an NVIDIA card for whatever reason." If you can't create a good rebuttal, don't bother posting.
     
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    [Pretends not to see another "crippled 570" reference]

    You say it should be using the reference 5xx series PCB/cooler; well it's the only one using it. Some vendor based designs are great; but the reference design is of the highest quality, making it note worthy when offered at the same price. On grabbing a real 570, many would consider spending the extra coin. But at +90% of 570's performance as it sits, this card is worthy.

    What's most interesting is I think it's using a full bore 580 PCB. I've studied pics, looks like a full PWM layout fed by a 6+8 pin array. If I'm correct, that makes it a tank of a card for the money and a potentially good overclocker:

    448 ultra:
    http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q62/steelsix/evga.jpg

    http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q62/steelsix/evga2.jpg

    580 PCB/cooler:
    http://www.overclockersclub.com/vimages/nvidia_gtx580/7.jpg

    http://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_580/images/front_small.jpg

    http://www.overclockersclub.com/vimages/nvidia_gtx580/8.jpg
     
  9. toyota

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    who the hell do you think you are telling people what is irrelevant and whether they can post here? you can get either a gtx560 448sp ti cards for 260 bucks range so get off your AMD high horse. if you are only referring to the exact card as the OP then so what because there are also 6950 2gb cards that cost that much or more. and your extra vram means crap becuase the gtx560ti 448sp is FASTER overall than the 6950 2gb. :rolleyes:
     
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    But it's like buying a Mustang with a V6, isn't it? What's the point of having a GTX 580-equivalent PCB if the GPU is refuse in the first place? What's your greatest hope upon getting this card, that you can overclock it to GTX 580 performance? That's my point - 6950 can do the same, for less, with more vRAM, and better power usage numbers. What's the argument to pay $40 more for this card?
    If you disagree with a point I made, figure out how to write a proper rebuttal and disprove my point/offer a different perspective. If you can't properly engage in discussion/debate, I'm not going to waste my time with your ad hominem nonsense. I'll offer you the same proposition as I did Hauk - what's the argument for getting this over a 6950 2GB? Or any GTX 560 Ti 448 for that matter? I've already offered my view, all you did was get upset and personally attack me. The cards are virtually identical in performance: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/293?vs=499 . They trade blows in most games, the exception being Civ V, which has the advantage of MTR for NVIDIA GPUs.
     
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    your only view was that the card was irreverent which is ignorant.

    FACT: a gtx560ti 448sp and 6950 2gb can be priced within 15 bucks of each other.

    FACT: the stock gtx560ti 448sp is slightly faster overall. plus most of the gtx560 ti 448sp come pre overclocked meaning they easily beat the 6950 2gb by 10-15% overall according to techpowerup reviews.

    FACT: as I mentioned some people want an Nvidia card for whatever reason. I don't have to explain to you what those reasons are. that's no different than someone wanting an AMD card for whatever reason which is just fine too.

    bottom line is that the gtx560ti 448sp offers just as much bang for the buck if not more. so again you popping in here and just saying the card is irrelevant was only a move to stir up crap. I guess you can be proud of yourself since someone took the bait.
     
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    You left out

    FACT: IQ, features & support.

    for 560ti 448
     
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    And you haven't rebutted that, or explained why one would pay $40 more for such a card (and if no one would, then it is quite irrelevant, isn't it?). So then, are you ignorant as well for ignoring the question and going straight for the personal attack?

    I never argued that there was a price/performance advantage for a 6950 2GB vs. a vanilla GTX 560Ti 448. Is this you, ironically, being irrelevant?

    No it's not, I just clearly linked to a set of benchmarks which show the cards trading blows, so that's incorrect. Furthermore, this is an enthusiast's site, anyone knows how to and can overclock. So once again, you're, ironically, being irrelevant.

    No, you didn't say any of that, you stated "not everyone wants an AMD card for whatever reason," which is quite different. Does that mean your only disagreement was that I offered an AMD card as an alternative? Funny that that's what irked you the most, interesting to see what your true intentions were here.

    Bang-for-your-buck is in the eye of the beholder. I've already offered my point of view, to summarize - the 6950 is offering the same performance, with better power usage, and more vRAM, for much less than the card in the OP, and the same or less than a vanilla GTX 560 Ti 448. All you've done is personally attacked me in multiple posts and offered no rebuttal. Who was here to "stir up crap" again?
     
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    lol so you are going to tell me that the what I said about a review on techpowerup is incorrect because you link to another review from a different site? well here you go Mr. troll. the Zotac gtx560ti 448sp comes clocked at 765 which is only 5% faster than stock and beats the 6950 by 11% at 1920. so that means even a stock gtx560ti 448sp would be slightly faster than a stock 6950 gb. again though MOST gtx560ti 448sp cards already come slightly oced.

    and before you say something ignorant about the Zotac being expensive, the point was to show you the performance. there is a $269 EVGA gtx560ti model on newegg that comes clocked at 797. that means for 15 bucks more than the cheapest 6950 2gb card you would have a card that beats it by around 15%. :rolleyes:


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    Well, what's a GTX570 but a crippled 580?
     
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    Well, this is Anandtech forums, I'd assume we're posting here because we hold their reviews in high regard, but I guess my assumption on your part was incorrect.
    Why didn't you just link to a stock clocked GTX 560 Ti 448? http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_560_Ti_448_Cores_DirectCU_II/27.html Looks like it's 6% faster at 1200p. Furthermore, do you not understand how average work? For example, Techpowerup uses Civ V in it's suite, where the GTX 560 Ti 448 has a ~50% performance advantage due to MTR. That isn't representative of the average performance of the cards, despite your claiming it to be. But again, nice ad hominem.

    So are you insinuating that no one here knows how to overclock a card or just you?
     
  17. Hauk

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    We've seen some unique labels for 560ti 448; "refuse GPU" is the best yet!

    It's fully functional, oc's well, and is available on a full bore GTX 580 PCB for $289. To those not trying to diminish it's value, seems like a nice card [is all I'm sayin]. Others can argue it's value against the competition. Enjoy.. ;)
     
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    Personally I'd take a 448 over 6950, each have their strong points though.
     
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    Is that not what it is? Companies create these cards to use up the stock of flagship GPU's that couldn't be used otherwise. In this case, you have a GPU that didn't meet specs for a GTX 580 or even a GTX 570, so a new series was created later to turn these stockpiles of unused chips into money.
    And you didn't answer any of the questions posed, so if your conclusion is "I just like this card" and you're satisfied with it, then I'm satisfied with irrefutably proving that it's a poor value.
     
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    I'll give you pros of each. Then let people decide for themselves.

    6950: 2GB Vram, better multi display support.

    GTX560 ti 448: Slightly better performance, Better/more IQ features, More gameplay features, PhysX, superior 3D support, arguably better driver/SLI support.

    I'd take the 448 myself even if it is a few bucks more.
     
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    I own the other EVGA 560 Ti 448 classified. It's a really impressive card. I hit 900/1800/2100 on stock voltage. I can get up to 1Ghz on the core if I have the fan at 75 percent, but that's too loud for me so I run at the above speeds. That basically makes it a GTX 580 with a bit less VRAM.

    Is a 6950 2GB a better value? I guess that depends on your perspective and which brand/drivers/etc you prefer. But to all you chuckleheads saying this card is irrelevant. I got GTX 580 levels of performance for half the price.

    That is not irrelevant or a poor value and there's no kind of spin you can put on that to make it otherwise.
     
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    You realize you can unlock and overclock any 6950 2GB and get GTX 580 performance as well, right? And it's still cheaper, will use less power, and have more vRAM than the GTX 560 448. So yes, the GTX 560 Ti 448 is still irrelevant.
     
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    the gtx560ti 448sp is irrelevant according to MrK6 and only his opinion matters. hopefully he can now seek out all of those people that wrongfully bought the gtx560ti 448sp and let them know that AMD should have been the way to go...
     
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    Yeah - let me make this simple for you. Newegg - cheapest custom cooler Radeon 6950 2GB is 289.00. That's 10 dollars more than my card cost. I game at 1080p where 2GB VRAM isn't needed.

    So I paid less, got similar to possibly better performance and Physx support. What you aren't taking into account is for some people this card is better than the 6950. It may not be the best choice for some(depending on games they play, resolution, etc), but it's not irrelevant and that's the bottom line.
     
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    Its not irrelevant at all and many people including myself find the 448 to be the superior card. Performance is not the only metric to value a video card by, but even so, the 448 is generally faster.

    You cant even use Transparency AA or SSAA in DX10/11 on the 6950 for starters. No Ambient Occlusion. No neg LOD bias clamp. No physX support. Poor 3D support. Cannot adjust frames to render ahead. Cannot cap fps. Cannot disable vsync without disabling driver signing. Theres 8 advantages right there off the top of my head that can make a game look and play vastly different. Need I go on?

    The 6950 on the other hand will provide a better experience for multi display imo. So you have to select which one you want for your purposes..
     
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